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Here is how I think reincarnation works ...

1) Reincarnation has a limit; it is tied to karmic astrology and the limit is 12 lives. People who are aborted or die young get some more chances to live. It is not clear if it depends on the sun sign or ascendant, it may be one or the other that indicates your current stage.
1 - 2 ) The Whole cycle of reincarnations imitates a single lifetime. You need to get through tutorial before to achieve success and Independence in your next lifes. The Whole of it represents a unique bigger life.
2) Reincarnation starts at Conception. You will die when your next life and body will be conceived. At the very least this may happen when fetus' s heart starts beating or when brain is fully formed.
3) There is some kind of karma, so if you are bad you will experience life from the point of view of the people you did something bad to, but I'm not fully sure about this.
4) There is high chance of meeting the same souls in multiple lifes.
5) So, you may want to try searching for lifes in last century of just before that, rather than in remote centuries because probably reincarnation follows a linear timeline. Yes, your first life may be ancient.
6) Many people do not recall past lifes especially if they are at first stage. They are newcomers.
7) It may be true that life which ends violently or suddenly is better recalled than a life which ends peacefully in old age. And yes, it may leave marks on their next body.
8) You will reincarnate often as male or female, and this may explain sexual differences like the LGBT category.
9) Twins may be people who died together in their last life. 1 of 8 or all people are conceived as twins even if they never come to discover this. They may have died together of they were twins in the past but often only one twin is able to reincarnate in a body, the other will have to take another chance later in time.
10 ) What about multiples? The most people conceived together were 15. Hundreds of people die together for a reason or another. But the human body can only give Birth to a maximum of 8 people at a time.
11) I actually think there might be a slight chance of reincarnating through time, this means you die in this historical period and you may reincarnate in the far past or far future. A body might just be borrowed for a time by a soul, and may be lived by many different " inhabitants " time after time. I am unsure about this.

Let's discuss it together
 
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Some people say that astrological signs go in order from most immature to most evolved, starting with Aries and ending with Pisces. But I don't believe that. I know many Pisces and a lot of them seem to attempt to embody wisdom and love (because they've read all their lives that they are supposed to be like that? Just like Scorpios often seem to act hyper-sexual because they've read all their lives that they're "the most sexual sign"....lol), however many of them seem to be quite immature or even volatile. Also, I remember reading that the sign of Pisces has the most serial killers of any other sign, which is not very evolved. lol

I don't think reincarnation OR astrology is that simplistic or "pat." People are much more than their sun sign and ascendant: their personal planets dip into many other different signs, so each person is very complex indeed.
 
Yeah, to me the order of karmic astrology zodiac is wrong. I developed an alternative order of evolution that mirrors the stages of human life : Cancer - Aries - Gemini - Aquarius / Scorpio - Sagittarius - Virgo - Libra - Taurus - Leo - Capricorn - Pisces / Scorpio.
( Pisces may also be positioned first because most of them feel connection with the Source from we all come )

Anyway, it is the Whole of the astro chart that determines the personality of an individual. Not only Sun sign and ascendant and moon. All the other planets too.
 
So when reincarnation ends? Maximum 12 lives later? That's nothing I think but we are told we became many things past lives and reincarnated 8.400.000 times. Where the 12 comes from ?
 
Hi all, I'm new☺. I learned in one of my college classes that some people of Asian descent believe that Karma and the caste system are involved in and also control reincarnation. For them reincarnation is a common as eating and breathing.
And if one helps a beggar or homeless person,etc. that we aren't actually helping them at all. Because they've got to "pay" for the badness/meanness or whatever they did to be incarnated into a bad situation.
And it's quiet likely they will do another round of bad lives until they pay their proper penance the current lifetime.I do believe in reincarnation and karma,but I'm not sure about the beliefs I just mentioned,except some people believe this is true.
 
Hi Athena,

Some people always believe this is true. It is a good excuse for ignoring the plight of the less fortunate, shrugging off our common humanity, and generally avoiding the duties of charity and compassion enjoined by the highest and best in every religion. It doesn't matter whether ignoring the people we should seek to help is excused on the basis of their past life sin, their family sin, their ethnic worthlessness, their class worthlessness, etc. etc. Wherever you meet it you should treat it with the contempt it deserves. It is certainly not a prerequisite for belief in reincarnation, nor a necessary outcome of such belief. Typically, it is the excuse taught by and to the well-off by their well-off progenitors, whether on the basis of class, race, or whatever, for their being well-off, and their justification for ignoring or maltreating those who are not. It is the basis for self-righteous preening by those who find it a convenient excuse to look down on, abuse and/or ignore the plight of others while congratulating themselves and their kind for being better or better-off. It is sickening.

I will stop now. As you can tell, this is something I feel is not only decidedly wrong in any context, but utterly vile to justify on the basis of "religious" reasoning. This is very twisted religion and very twisted reasoning.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I am not usually either so adamant or so vehement. Please be assured that my ire is not directed at you. And, welcome to the forum!

PPS--I hope I have not just scared you off. There are a lot of very nice people here, even me most of the time. This is just one of my "hot" button issues. ;)
 
Welcome to the forum athena83, you didn't say what college course you where in to have learned that, but reincarnation is included in one form or another in most world religions, and was probably a basic part of Christianity fifteen centuries ago. The caste systems that you speak of seem, to us here in the West, to be simply excuses, like S&S states, to secure a place in society, an ego thing (or maybe a resource problem) rather than a humanitarian thing. Isn't it a wonder how things like this can not be understood after all this time?

A few years ago I started a thread, now removed, that touched on this topic of where to "draw the line" on the "do unto others..." thing. In a community not too far from me, south of you, a group of people went together and bought and erected playground equipment for a park. Another group were offended that the equipment included a slide, with the normal ladder, that a handicapped child could not manage (no disability given in the write-up) and demanded that the slide be taken down because...(I really don't understand why to be honest, especially since it seems that they left the ladder to be played on and the "monkey-bars" and swings would be impossibilities for some children also). The Golden Rule has been a part of my life since I first heard it as a youngster, carrying it so far as these people did by feeling the possibility of hurtful-longing of a handicapped child to outweigh the enjoyment of the non-handicapped children IMO is an extreme position. So I tend to leave the purely-emotional part out my interpretation of the Golden Rule, but not to the extent that the Hindu do. As I get older, the more I see things along a continuum rather than simply the (black and white) end-points or extremes.
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Athena,

Some people always believe this is true. It is a good excuse for ignoring the plight of the less fortunate, shrugging off our common humanity, and generally avoiding the duties of charity and compassion enjoined by the highest and best in every religion. It doesn't matter whether ignoring the people we should seek to help is excused on the basis of their past life sin, their family sin, their ethnic worthlessness, their class worthlessness, etc. etc. Wherever you meet it you should treat it with the contempt it deserves. It is certainly not a prerequisite for belief in reincarnation, nor a necessary outcome of such belief. Typically, it is the excuse taught by and to the well-off by their well-off progenitors, whether on the basis of class, race, or whatever, for their being well-off, and their justification for ignoring or maltreating those who are not. It is the basis for self-righteous preening by those who find it a convenient excuse to look down on, abuse and/or ignore the plight of others while congratulating themselves and their kind for being better or better-off. It is sickening.

I will stop now. As you can tell, this is something I feel is not only decidedly wrong in any context, but utterly vile to justify on the basis of "religious" reasoning. This is very twisted religion and very twisted reasoning.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I am not usually either so adamant or so vehement. Please be assured that my ire is not directed at you. And, welcome to the forum!

PPS--I hope I have not just scared you off. There are a lot of very nice people here, even me most of the time. This is just one of my "hot" button issues. ;)
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Wow, Where in my post did i say I believe that?. No where, I am an American
I Don't care for the beliefs of the Hindu. Did I say that I ignore people because of the karma/caste theory?. No, I didn't and I don't. I also know arrogance and anger when it's shown...even in a typed post. Why are you attacking me when i merely threw out something I'd learned about the subject you wrote on?. And quite honestly the idea of astrological signs being ranked 1-12 according to maturity..really?!.
So I'm just going to stay away from YOUR posts. Don't expect any firm of interaction on my part to your posts. IF saying this gets me banned, well to bad. As for scaring me off?, no I'll read around the site, but It just mau be a cold day in hell before i post again. You are a longtime member, yes, but that doesn't make it ok to go off on a little tangent to new members.
 
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KenJ said:
Welcome to the forum athena83, you didn't say what college course you where in to have learned that, but reincarnation is included in one form or another in most world religions, and was probably a basic part of Christianity fifteen centuries ago. The caste systems that you speak of seem, to us here in the West, to be simply excuses, like S&S states, to secure a place in society, an ego thing (or maybe a resource problem) rather than a humanitarian thing. Isn't it a wonder how things like this can not be understood after all this time?

A few years ago I started a thread, now removed, that touched on this topic of where to "draw the line" on the "do unto others..." thing. In a community not too far from me, south of you, a group of people went together and bought and erected playground equipment for a park. Another group were offended that the equipment included a slide, with the normal ladder, that a handicapped child could not manage (no disability given in the write-up) and demanded that the slide be taken down because...(I really don't understand why to be honest, especially since it seems that they left the ladder to be played on and the "monkey-bars" and swings would be impossibilities for some children also). The Golden Rule has been a part of my life since I first heard it as a youngster, carrying it so far as these people did by feeling the possibility of hurtful-longing of a handicapped child to outweigh the enjoyment of the non-handicapped children IMO is an extreme position. So I tend to leave the purely-emotional part out my interpretation of the Golden Rule, but not to the extent that the Hindu do. As I get older, the more I see things along a continuum rather than simply the (black and white) end-points or extremes.
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Anthropology or Sociology can't remember which one it was. I went to Cuyahoga community college,aka Tri-C. , if i can help someone i will,the caste system means nothing to me. I'm a nice person to everyone on or offline, but i can be pressed to speak up,as in my reply to the op of this thread. Or whoever it was that I responded to just before this post. And thank you for the welcome
 
Hi Athena,

I never said my remarks were directed at you. In fact, if you had finished reading my post, you would have found that I specifically sought to negative any impression you might have of that sort. In any case, sorry you have been upset and for the misunderstanding. BTW--Where did the astrological sign comment come from? Just curious since I have said nothing of that type on this thread.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Teo said:
Here is how I think reincarnation works ...

1) Reincarnation has a limit; it is tied to karmic astrology and the limit is 12 lives. People who are aborted or die young get some more chances to live. It is not clear if it depends on the sun sign or ascendant, it may be one or the other that indicates your current stage.
1 - 2 ) The Whole cycle of reincarnations imitates a single lifetime. You need to get through tutorial before to achieve success and Independence in your next lifes. The Whole of it represents a unique bigger life.
2) Reincarnation starts at Conception. You will die when your next life and body will be conceived. At the very least this may happen when fetus' s heart starts beating or when brain is fully formed.
3) There is some kind of karma, so if you are bad you will experience life from the point of view of the people you did something bad to, but I'm not fully sure about this.
4) There is high chance of meeting the same souls in multiple lifes.
5) So, you may want to try searching for lifes in last century of just before that, rather than in remote centuries because probably reincarnation follows a linear timeline. Yes, your first life may be ancient.
6) Many people do not recall past lifes especially if they are at first stage. They are newcomers.
7) It may be true that life which ends violently or suddenly is better recalled than a life which ends peacefully in old age. And yes, it may leave marks on their next body.
8) You will reincarnate often as male or female, and this may explain sexual differences like the LGBT category.
9) Twins may be people who died together in their last life. 1 of 8 or all people are conceived as twins even if they never come to discover this. They may have died together of they were twins in the past but often only one twin is able to reincarnate in a body, the other will have to take another chance later in time.
10 ) What about multiples? The most people conceived together were 15. Hundreds of people die together for a reason or another. But the human body can only give Birth to a maximum of 8 people at a time.
11) I actually think there might be a slight chance of reincarnating through time, this means you die in this historical period and you may reincarnate in the far past or far future. A body might just be borrowed for a time by a soul, and may be lived by many different " inhabitants " time after time. I am unsure about this.

Let's discuss it together
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I posit another fundamental possibility...
Think of the eternal soul standing in the center of a helix...a spiral which depicts the linear timeline of immutable events scheduled to occur over all time planned for our earth's history. That spiral also includes the planned millions of host bodies which offer innumerable possible individual timelines which can be accessed by that eternal soul in accordance with said soul's desires for experience. As time only has effect on earth, the life choice of the soul is not limited to a single linear time progression and may be chosen from lives before or after the current lifetime. Fruit for thought.

My views on your enumerated comments:
1) I am not aware of any limit...my lives, a few thousand on earth, have not, to my knowledge, been limited either by concurrency or by sequence.
1-2) I have no remembered experience of the requirement for a "pre-life tutorial"; I believe our souls are fully aware of the process of incarnating. I do sense a significant element of planning a sequence of several lives, each one being a variation on a specific theme.
2) I have occupied bodies that were already born, though when the decision was made to engage in that specific lifetime may have been made well in advance or at conception. There is also the possibility of a soul assuming the occupancy of the body after another soul has completed it's desired events in that body's lifetime...a "walk-in".
3) My view of karma is more a balancing of the equities so to speak...less retribution than a choice to experience both sides of a given event.
4) I have reincarnated with dozens of the same souls I've known in prior lives...I am not sure I can reincarnate with out those I have previously made a plan to work with, and those souls are usually well known to me on the other side.
5) It also might be helpful to research the more recent lives simply because you can find evidence of those lives...I found a write-up of my death in the New York Times from 1905.
6) I think we remember specific past lives when they have some meaningful benefit to this current lifetime (i.e. the "variations on a theme" from 1-2) above).
7) This has been true in some of my past lives, though I get a stronger sense of past lives through similar situations/variations on a theme.
8) It has been my understanding that an LGBT lifetime was a planned experience, and not so much "soul confusion based on past life", though it could be. I have remembered lives both male and female...the more recent lives having been largely male experiences, and a greater preponderance of female lives in the far past.
9) My best friend in this life has been a twin in past lives with me...not sure if it had anything to do with dying together, as the manner of our deaths were not the primary lessons involved in those lives.
10) I know nothing of multiple conceptions, or being born together.
11) I am not clear on what you are saying here...as mentioned above, I think there is little limitation on next being born before or after a current life; as to the second comment regarding "walk-ins", I have experience with souls "using a body" for a period of time, if not wholly assuming the "driver's seat" for the remainder of the lifetime.

Good questions and a wonderful basis for conversation.
 
hey everyone, i still want to know where all these souls come from. Where? And what about animals? They are sentient like us...what happens to them. I think we have a finite number of lives until we reach some kind of pre-defined perfection. I have some friends that are close to perfect. We buy very little for ourselves and instead give things away and volunteer and try to make the world a better place. We don't sit around watching tv with our spare time . We spend it in productive ways. We also are all Vegan because we don't believe in the imprisonment and torture of farm animals for human consumption. And although we are not fans of humanity we realize we are part of it but don't tend to socialize with many because the superficiality that has pervaded cultures across the world is nauseating to us. It is hard to go to a social gathering where people talk about anything interesting. Most is just " puffing" these days sadly. Anyhow, after "perfection" is reached (and no i am not there yet) i think we are off to heaven.
 
Cat1965 said:
i still want to know where all these souls come from. Where?
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Many posts here bring my thinking back to Orwell's Animal Farm and how each species thinks in term of their own perspective. It may be an invalid assumption on my part, but you seem to think that our essence spends a larger percentage of time in the "physical" than I do - thus the concern about the high population at this time. If you could consider that we might spend fifty to one hundred times more "time" on the other side of the veil as we do in a body then fluctuations are less meaningful. I have no idea about the actual proportion of course, just putting it out there for your consideration.

My own thoughts are that perhaps something interesting is going to happen that many want to experience for one reason or another. Of course when I read about the renewed activity at Yellowstone Park here in the USA, I get a bit unsettled:eek:
 
Cat1965 said:
hey everyone, i still want to know where all these souls come from. Where? And what about animals? They are sentient like us...what happens to them. I think we have a finite number of lives until we reach some kind of pre-defined perfection. I have some friends that are close to perfect. We buy very little for ourselves and instead give things away and volunteer and try to make the world a better place. We don't sit around watching tv with our spare time . We spend it in productive ways. We also are all Vegan because we don't believe in the imprisonment and torture of farm animals for human consumption. And although we are not fans of humanity we realize we are part of it but don't tend to socialize with many because the superficiality that has pervaded cultures across the world is nauseating to us. It is hard to go to a social gathering where people talk about anything interesting. Most is just " puffing" these days sadly. Anyhow, after "perfection" is reached (and no i am not there yet) i think we are off to heaven.
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Congratulations on your efforts!

Just be open to the possibility that your current conscious efforts might not make the best use of the life opportunity you have, as is the case with the overwhelming majority of people, who need to come over and over for eons.
 
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