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Would the real Alexander please stand up

EternalAgony, that's exactly how I see it.

Even fame and fortune I cannot see as entirely positive. Being famous means no privacy. I wonder how often famous people will have longed for being able to move unnoticed, as one of the crowd. With a lot of money comes a lot of responsibility. And you can never be sure who your true friends are.

One of my thoughts about sharing memories with a famous person is that maybe one shares certain patterns with them. It is creepy when you find out that you have a lot in common with an ill-reputed person from the past, and even met some people they met. Still does not make you that person. There always will remain some doubt. And there will be even more doubt when you are a history freak who has heard a lot of things already.

In late 2015 I joined a community and mentioned that I thought I had been an infamous person. I didn't even mention a name, but I was asked what makes me think that... what was a cry for help was mistaken as seeking attention. I probably drew the wrong conclusions and too early, but I definitely was not seeking attention. I just felt disturbed and utterly lonely. It still is possible that I was this person, but it also is possible that I was somebody else with similar experiences and life patterns. I will never know for sure. At least I can understand how people with FPL memories sometimes feel.
 
Some people aren't in their right mind though EternalAgony. Remembering FPLs hasn't been a good thing for me either. I think its unavoidable that one comes off egotistical and delusional to some people for claiming an FPL.

It took me years to accept who I was. I went around with my mind blown and my head traumatised for a long time. I did doubt it at the beginning...I doubted my sanity. But for me nowadays who I've been is undeniable. I lived and breathed it after all.

My first pl memories came to me decades after hearing a truncated version of history in school. I hadn't given that person any thought in years until I remembered. I don't know how one could mistake oneself for members of ones soul group. I have memories of four other soul group members and none of them were who I claim to be. I don't know if souls share memories. Its a mystery I guess.
 
I can relate to how you felt SeekerOfKnowkedge. When I hit skepticism or people drawing conclusions I feel utterly alone with my memories. If I wanted to stroke me ego I would have continued along my current lifes course....not claimed an FPL when the majority of people find that completely bonkers.
 
EternalAgony said:
From what I've experienced it's difficult for me to fathom why anyone, in their right mind, would claim to have been a famous person for attention. I would think that this would be the case for very few people.
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Well, I am guessing for those people that this is the case for, there are few, if any, memories and most of them are happy and cheerful and all of the nonsense that does not really exist in such lifetimes except in books about them. Or some half-baked tarot reader told them this on a whim to get more money, so they brag to all of their friends. Not all people treat reincarnation seriously, even those who claim past lives.

I agree with everything that has been said today in reference to traits of FPL's. My lives are as such that I have had my traits cherry-picked for me. The image of my character has slowly been refined until it is beyond human and bears perhaps only a shadow of the original personality and deeds. To balance this out, whenever I do open up to someone, I always emphasize my faults. I was arrogant, I let my emotions take control of my actions, and I did commit some atrocities. I wish famous past lives were not such a big deal. People liked to tell stories about me. So what? I was a real person with real faults and traumas to get over.

I can assure you, SeekerOfKnowledge, that I often looked for more anonymity during my past lives. I became a big fan of disguises to this end (which is still present in my love of costume parties). In some cases, there was a tremendous pressure from being in the public eye. One time, I did not cultivate my social presence properly and died a victim of court intrigue.

The fear of sounding egotistical is the main reason why I do not publicly give details, often just discussing famous past lives as a whole or giving examples with no context. The internet as a whole does not know me. It does not know that I learned humility to a stifling degree between my last known life and now. It does not know that when I found out who I once was, after I had too much evidence to possibly disagree, I still could not accept it because I always was and always would be a nobody. But I now understand the lack of value of fame and see it more as an obstacle in the path than a position to be revered.

I still think I am crazy sometimes. But there are just too many coincidences, intuitions, and memories to deny it on my end. Especially considering that no one who had heard of my lives in passing, or even those who had studied them, would have known to subconsciously invent such undocumented memories of terrible emotional agony. I am now at a position where when I doubt, it is all or nothing. If I am misguided, then everyone else with past life memories must also be such. But I do not think that is the case.
 
I agree Spirit Sword. I was also a real person with real issues....issues I'm still working through today.

Its strange to me how people leap to the conclusion we are being egotistical. I was being egotistical but I was completely unaware of it, not until I realised that it had become manifest in my past lives.

We create are own realities and my reality is that I was searching for immortality in life after life when we already had it all along.
 
Jim78 said:
I agree Spirit Sword. I was also a real person with real issues....issues I'm still working through today.

Its strange to me how people leap to the conclusion we are being egotistical. I was being egotistical but I was completely unaware of it, not until I realised that it had become manifest in my past lives.

We create are own realities and my reality is that I was searching for immortality in life after life when we already had it all along.
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I think enough people are being egotistical that it is hard to differentiate.

My own soul journey seemed to start (at least at the earliest life I have remembered so far) with seeking recognition and fame. I wanted people to remember me for the sake of remembering me. After a while, though, I got to the point where I no longer had such a vicious thirst for recognition. Somehow, I still ended up with famous lives after that though. I was just in the right place in the right time using my skills to do what I thought was morally correct.
 
I wanted recognition and fame, but for constructively changing the world. I thought that I could do it through violence though. Nowadays I laugh at the notion of fame. There are more important things. I gave the bowfinger to fame in my current life and I'm all the better for it.
 
Jim78 said:
I wanted recognition and fame, but for constructively changing the world. I thought that I could do it through violence though. Nowadays I laugh at the notion of fame. There are more important things. I gave the bowfinger to fame in my current life and I'm all the better for it.
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Despite having not as accurate memories as you have, I still can relate to wanting to leave an impact. Wanting to be "better" than others. Wanting to make my father or a fatherly figure proud of me. My current life has taught me that there is nothing I need to do to make my father proud of me, as he already is.
 
Part of what drove me in my current life was wanting to make my father proud of me SeekerOfKnowledge. Unfortunately I went about it the wrong way. It did lead me to reincarnation though. It kind of annoyed me that my father was just one of many fathers when I remembered. He had raised me to believe that blood was thicker than water. Family went from being everything to being just one of many.
 
From my personal experience, Jim... there is a whole lot of reasons to be thankful for. Even I, a nobody as nobody can be, am getting a new chance every day to learn from my failures and do it better next time.

I cannot find the proper words as for how much it means to me, that I do not have to do anything in this life (?) to make my current father, whom I love beyond words, proud of me. What the heck? Why would he be proud of me? I should take it with gratefulness, and maybe, as a lesson finally learned.

Wish I could meet you in a pub for a pint, Jim...

By the way, one of my memories might be from Ireland or Wales. I will never know. I was kneeling in a dark church, and as part of the ceremony I had to kiss a crucifix so old that it looked black at first sight. At that other forum, I was told that it is possible. That in early Christianity such a ritual would have been possible.
 
I hope I get the opportunity to do it better the next time SeekerOfKnowledge.

I feel I've let my father down by fighting.

I'll have a Guinness so. ;)

That's cool. I remember being at a church service in a medieval church back in the tenth century. The priest was the most overweight person that I remember. I guess he didn't have to fight.
 
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but there is one possibility why there might be so many Napoleons or Cleopatra's past life memories. Because they were Napoleon etc. Just NOT the real Napoleon. As an historian myself I know that mental institutions of the past were full of people who believed they were somebody they were not. If they were to re-incarnate they would have some powerful memories, which of course would seem very real and of course fit many of the facts of the real person.
The thing is that some historical details they would get very wrong. Though this gets more problematic the further back in the past you go. Especially around people we have scant records on, but are still famous.
But there is a way to tell if that person was really who they claim, but that will have to wait a while yet. But all will be revealed.;)
 
So you saying it could be a past life mental delusion encroaching on the present time Graham76man?

Its possible for some cases but how many of those mentally ill people would remember their delusion in their next incarnation? The percentage of people who do remember has to be very low, why else would reincarnation be so marginalised?

So you can prove or disprove an FPL claim? That's sounds interesting. Finding ways to verify such things has been a side topic of this thread. I'd like to hear more.
 
I wonder how this is supposed to work. Eyesight? Similar looks or something won't be enough. Especially when you consider that there are people who look exactly like still living celebrities.
If there really is a way to know without doubt who you were in a past life, famous or not (memories of an unspectacular life also can be false, even could be a cover-up for someone who was a mass murderer or tyrant or something), I would be thoroughly interested, of course.
 
Jim78 said:
So you saying it could be a past life mental delusion encroaching on the present time Graham76man?

Its possible for some cases but how many of those mentally ill people would remember their delusion in their next incarnation? The percentage of people who do remember has to be very low, why else would reincarnation be so marginalised?
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I believe that people tend to remember past lives, without being hypnotised etc, because they need to understand something in there past life that impacts on this life.

Aside from that I think there is a big debate on the other "side" as to if it is necessary for persons to know who they were in past lives and the positive outcome of this. But there are still many that think it would be unwise for people to know who they were. I certainly think that I (on the other side of life) am an advocate for people knowing so I will do my best to show it in this life.
 
SeekerOfKnowledge said:
I wonder how this is supposed to work. Eyesight? Similar looks or something won't be enough. Especially when you consider that there are people who look exactly like still living celebrities.
If there really is a way to know without doubt who you were in a past life, famous or not (memories of an unspectacular life also can be false, even could be a cover-up for someone who was a mass murderer or tyrant or something), I would be thoroughly interested, of course.
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You won't have long to wait!
I will be creating a post shortly when I have the time to explain.
 
That's certainly been my experience of it Graham.

I'm overwhelmed by what I've found out about myself. Its damaged me really. I'm not so sure its wise to remember past lives... Although I have learned something. Who knows. Life's a mystery.
 
Wise or not, sometimes there's no choice. The past thrust itself into my present, effectively supplanting it. The difference in my case was that it wasn't so much 'memories', their primary role was one of explanation and verification. The part which broke through, unbidden, was the personality and emotional baggage of a previous existence.

My attempt to explain this is that some lives don't end cleanly, with all loose ends neatly tied up, but leave so many issues still open, that they need to be dealt with. In my case this didn't happen until early adulthood. My life up to that time had been mostly placid, although some memories had been impinging on my life without the emotional complications, throughout my childhood. I didn't even recognise them as such at the time. I suspect this may be the case for many people, fragments of the past seep through, but blend seamlessly into the present without being noticed.
 
I can relate Speedwell, its not the memories in and of themselves that are a burden, its my personality and emotional baggage being dragged with me through existence and remembering some of it that is

I had indications of my past lives through poetry and art long before I remembered. Had I not remembered I would have never connected them to reincarnation.
 
Hi There and back again. It would be good if my life worked like that but people are too blinded by incredulity to even take any lessons I've learned on board. That's why this forum is a great resource. If one wanted to one may be able to convey a life lesson to someone else who believes in reincarnation.
 
People can share what they have experienced and the insight they have gained, but they can't just pass it on. You cannot teach anybody who is not willing to learn, and everyone will have to make their own experiences IMHO. What some have learned might inspire others, though, so that they continue working on themselves, begin to open their minds and hearts a bit more.
 
I agree SeekerOfKnowledge but it is possible to change someone's perspective all the same. The actual life experience can't be passed on though. I just carry more weight talking about my experiences with a believer in reincarnation. I find non-believers just zone out.
 
Jim78 said:
I agree SeekerOfKnowledge but it is possible to change someone's perspective all the same. The actual life experience can't be passed on though. I just carry more weight talking about my experiences with a believer in reincarnation. I find non-believers just zone out.
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That is because normies as some like to call them only drift through life like jellyfish and those people have pissed me off more than I will ever care to quantify. Normies are unreachable in simple matters let alone anything advanced as this subject is and I have given up after greater part of a decade trying in other subjects. Life lessons can still be passed on to those who are willing to listen and have the capacity of learning.
 
AlexD said:
Normie is an interesting term that I had honestly never heard. Does it imply that oblivion is normality, while a breach in oblivion as most of us here seem to experience it is somehow abnormal? It makes me wonder if accessing past knowledge is a byproduct of some anomalous behaviour of our brains.
But maybe it's just the August weather making me delirious, lol.
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Normie is a jab at normal people, I am really tired of all the card board like cutouts and cookie cutter personalities and ways of thought that is so common in this world it drives me nuts.
 
You seem to be very bitter to the average man on the street because your aware of something that he's not There and back again. That's a surprising attitude to me because since I've remembered reincarnation I've become more tolerant of people in my day to day life....even the stupid and incompetent I can tolerate whom always drove me around the bend.

I see my reincarnation experience as being "Right...now you have your own crap thrown in you lap...deal with it. Never mind what other people think! There're learning too!"

That's one of the advantages to my fpls. Its humbled me. I can see that anyone can rattle in fear when confronted with their truth. I've seen that everyone is equal.

Sure, disbelief annoys me because everyone wants their suffering to be understood. But I don't judge or resent anyone for it. I just accept that they don't understand and seek people that do understand.
 
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