Challenging human relationships as result of PL memories

[Kalos]

Hey all,

Been a little while since I posted but have kept visiting and reading the forum meanwhile. I take it that very few in here, if any, remember my "PL story", it's in this forum somewhere in full detail but that's not of much importance anyway or the reason I make this post.

So my question is, how should someone handle this awkward situation where you find yourself recognizing a person close to you in this life being present in a PL as well? To specify awkward, what if your current wife was your PL son, for example?.. has anyone experienced this kind of situation and how did you manage?

 

[baro-san]

Sure. I did, and so far I kept it quiet.

 

[glia21]

Yeah me too. I kept quiet. From early in life if not right from the start (?) I knew my dad was my little brother long time ago.

In this PL I was his big brother and left him behind going away from home (war? adventure? I don´t know) and he was crying so hard. ​

I didn´t know how to handle this and often looked at him wondering -- so - funny situation. Our relationship was difficult but we both felt drawn to each other. Sadly he died when I was in my early twenties. I never said nothing and not sure if that was the right way to handle it?

 

[Cyrus]

Hey all,

Been a little while since I posted but have kept visiting and reading the forum meanwhile. I take it that very few in here, if any, remember my "PL story", it's in this forum somewhere in full detail but that's not of much importance anyway or the reason I make this post.

So my question is, how should someone handle this awkward situation where you find yourself recognizing a person close to you in this life being present in a PL as well? To specify awkward, what if your current wife was your PL son, for example?.. has anyone experienced this kind of situation and how did you manage?

Kalimera, Kalos:

You are quite right about the awkwardness of such situations.
I only see 2 posibilities:

1. It only means, that all this re-incarnation stuff is a false doctrine invented by the people scared by their inevitable death, and a definitive end of their existence.
As such, the re-incarnation theory is incompatible with reality, and any attempt of its logical extension can only produce such ridiculous and awkward situations.

2. We can accept the re-incarnations, with all the nonsense this implies, but treat it as medieval people treated the church's doctrines, following this Latin dictum: "Credo, quia absurdum est" (= "I believe because it's absurd"). Who are we to pretend there may be a logical explanation of the things that, at the first sight, look absurd? Our intellects are too weak to understand the real significance of what has been given to us as revelation etc. etc. etc.

 

[Spirit Sword]

Kalimera, Kalos:

You are quite right about the awkwardness of such situations.
I only see 2 posibilities:

1. It only means, that all this re-incarnation stuff is a false doctrine invented by the people scared by their inevitable death, and a definitive end of their existence.
As such, the re-incarnation theory is incompatible with reality, and any attempt of its logical extension can only produce such ridiculous and awkward situations.

2. We can accept the re-incarnations, with all the nonsense this implies, but treat it as medieval people treated the church's doctrines, following this Latin dictum: "Credo, quia absurdum est" (= "I believe because it's absurd"). Who are we to pretend there may be a logical explanation of the things that, at the first sight, look absurd? Our intellects are too weak to understand the real significance of what has been given to us as revelation etc. etc. etc.

Perhaps it is just seen differently on the other side? I see each lifetime as playing a different role. Sometimes souls have different kinds of relationships with each other between lifetimes. That is just the new role this time around. I doubt it is seen as divine significance or awkward on the other side: that is just what is.

There are many more possibilities than two, by the way. People could be mistaken about their past life information, having gained false information or projecting current material onto the past. We could all be crazy for thinking we can learn about our individual past lives (reincarnation still exists, but there is no way to retrieve the information). It could be that this displays a complex, and multi-faceted relationship between the souls in question. It seems a little silly to boil this problem down to either reincarnation can't exist or there is no logic.

So my question is, how should someone handle this awkward situation where you find yourself recognizing a person close to you in this life being present in a PL as well? To specify awkward, what if your current wife was your PL son, for example?.. has anyone experienced this kind of situation and how did you manage?

An acquaintance of mine once did a regression and found that her current boyfriend was her son in their most recent incarnation. She was very nervous about telling him, since he is not exactly a spiritual person. He took it quite well and accepted that she believed it, they joked about some of the material within the memory, and moved on. It did not really seem to cause a problem.

In my life, I am struggling with the probability that my current brother was the mind behind my death in a past life. I purposefully avoided thinking about their similarities when I began to pick up memories, but have started reacting to him differently over time. A few months ago, I struggled to sleep under the same roof as him because I was worried that I would not wake up in the morning. I have not confirmed it yet, and honestly do not want to, but I am treating the situation like my brother was this past life connection. What is helping me is to willfully separate the two: that was the past, and this is the present. He may have caused me trauma in the past, but that is not something I want to linger on. So I try to put those bad memories behind me and I focus on who he is now: he is my brother, he tries to be serious but he's a bit of a dork, he cares about those around him (though he certainly has an odd way of showing it), he and I share plenty of history and inside jokes in this lifetime, and if I really needed his help, I know he would be there for me. Who cares if it was different before? We are both different people now. If looking back is not helpful to a relationship, then look forward.

 

[Cyrus]

Perhaps it is just seen differently on the other side? I see each lifetime, as playing a different role. Sometimes souls have different kinds of relationships with each other between lifetimes. That is just the new role this time around. I doubt it is seen as divine significance or awkward on the other side: that is just what is.

There are many more possibilities than two, by the way. People could be mistaken about their past life information, having gained false information or projecting current material onto the past. We could all be crazy for thinking we can learn about our individual past lives (reincarnation still exists, but there is no way to retrieve the information). It could be that this displays a complex, and multi-faceted relationship between the souls in question. It seems a little silly to boil this problem down to either reincarnation can't exist or there is no logic.....

I want to LIVE my lifetime, not to pass it as if playing a role. And I suppose a lot of people, too. My life is not a theater, I don't want it to be converted into a theater. My brother must be my brother, not my former girl-friend, or vice-versa.

Like it or not, when amnesia on PLs is only partial, the re-incarnation leads to awkward, ridiculous situations, therefore it is incompatible with reality, where we take our lives very seriously, not just like a boogie-woogie musical masks carnival.

 

[Guillaume_D]

I have memories of many past lives. My current wife was sometimes my sister, my mother, or even a man; my father was a brother; my mother was a daughter, a sister or a wife... It's not absurd as Cyrus says. It only means that our blood ties are of little significance. The real tie between human beings is love.
It's disturbing to discover that your wife was your mother in another life. Or a male friend ! I understand it. And it takes a long and difficult path to open your mind and see through material reality. It's not nonsense faith, you could finally understand and accept the upper reality. Father, mother, sister, brother, son, daughter... all are souls in material bodies, and they are our soulmates whatever the blood ties.

 

[Cyrus]

I have memories of many past lives. My current wife was sometimes my sister, my mother, or even a man; my father was a brother; my mother was a daughter, a sister or a wife... It's not absurd as Cyrus says. It only means that our blood ties are of little significance. The real tie between human beings is love.
It's disturbing to discover that your wife was your mother in another life. Or a male friend ! I understand it. And it takes a long and difficult path to open your mind and see through material reality. It's not nonsense faith, you could finally understand and accept the upper reality. Father, mother, sister, brother, son, daughter... all are souls in material bodies, and they are our soulmates whatever the blood ties.

I really have no idea, how to take your words. Luckily, I don't have any memories on my PLs, only some vague déjà vus with some landscapes, which might be anything. To tell you the truth, I'm absolutely NOT curious about my PLs, I have no desire to undergo any regression session with any hypnotherapist. I'm just not interested. My head is so full of my present lifetime, I don't want to burden it with another one.

 

[baro-san]

I want to LIVE my lifetime, not to pass it as if playing a role. And I suppose a lot of people, too. My life is not a theater, I don't want it to be converted into a theater. My brother must be my brother, not my former girl-friend, or vice-versa.

Like it or not, when amnesia on PLs is only partial, the re-incarnation leads to awkward, ridiculous situations, therefore it is incompatible with reality, where we take our lives very seriously, not just like a boogie-woogie musical masks carnival.

Not sure what you mean by those statements ... I guess you believe in reincarnation, because you're on this forum. Also, you state what you want, but what we want means nothing vis-a-vis what it is, isn't it? We can't do anything about that. It is more important what we believe, because that affects what we perceive as real, as fact.

 

[Sea Change]

So my question is, how should someone handle this awkward situation where you find yourself recognizing a person close to you in this life being present in a PL as well? To specify awkward, what if your current wife was your PL son, for example?...

What an experience. Enjoy!

 

[Cyrus]

Not sure what you mean by those statements ... I guess you believe in reincarnation, because you're on this forum. Also, you state what you want, but what we want means nothing vis-a-vis what it is, isn't it? We can't do anything about that. It is more important what we believe, because that affects what we perceive as real, as fact.

No offence meant, I didn't want to offend anybody, to begin with.

I'm not sure about re-incarnation, that's why I'm on this forum. I don't intend to impose my point of view on anybody. I only want to find out FOR MYSELF whether the re-incarnation is a solid hypothesis, compatible with reality as I know it, or whether it's only a kind of religion and you can only believe in it.

 

[baro-san]

No offence meant, I didn't want to offend anybody, to begin with.

I'm not sure about re-incarnation, that's why I'm on this forum. I don't intend to impose my point of view on anybody. I only want to find out FOR MYSELF whether the re-incarnation is a solid hypothesis, compatible with reality as I know it, or whether it's only a kind of religion and you can only believe in it.

If I remember correctly you have a scientific background, in physics (?). We may have some commonality there. That's why I would recommend what worked best for me: self hypnosis. You can achieve similar things through meditations, but would take much-much longer (many years; and meditation is pretty much self-hypnosis), or through lucid dreaming / obe / astral projection, but mastering them is more difficult (although ultimately their techniques are undeclared self-hypnosis too).

You can read / watch youtube, a little, about self-hypnosis and regression techniques (past-lives, and life-between-lives), experiment a little, and in less than 2 weeks you can have your own altered states of consciousness experiences. In those states you can ask questions to a higher source of knowledge, and receive answers. In my experience it is the best way to find out by yourself what to believe. There is no better way to get answers to whatever you want to know. I recommend you try it.

 

[Speedwell]

Kalimera, Kalos:

You are quite right about the awkwardness of such situations.
I only see 2 posibilities:

1. It only means, that all this re-incarnation stuff is a false doctrine invented by the people scared by their inevitable death, and a definitive end of their existence.
As such, the re-incarnation theory is incompatible with reality, and any attempt of its logical extension can only produce such ridiculous and awkward situations.

2. We can accept the re-incarnations, with all the nonsense this implies, but treat it as medieval people treated the church's doctrines, following this Latin dictum: "Credo, quia absurdum est" (= "I believe because it's absurd"). Who are we to pretend there may be a logical explanation of the things that, at the first sight, look absurd? Our intellects are too weak to understand the real significance of what has been given to us as revelation etc. etc. etc.

I'd suggest the picture is bigger than that, in my opinion there are very many more possibilities. But coming up with a detailed description of what it all means isn't something which worries me. From my point of view, the starting point is to gather information - from lots of different angles. Any views I hold on the subject are always just a "work in progress", I don't think I've ever been able to neatly categorise my views on the subject except perhaps to move from knowing very little, to knowing a bit more. And even what I think know is always subject to revision.

 

[Cyrus]

If I remember correctly you have a scientific background, in physics (?). We may have some commonality there. That's why I would recommend what worked best for me: self hypnosis. You can achieve similar things through meditations, but would take much-much longer (many years; and meditation is pretty much self-hypnosis), or through lucid dreaming / obe / astral projection, but mastering them is more difficult (although ultimately their techniques are undeclared self-hypnosis too).

You can read / watch youtube, a little, about self-hypnosis and regression techniques (past-lives, and life-between-lives), experiment a little, and in less than 2 weeks you can have your own altered states of consciousness experiences. In those states you can ask questions to a higher source of knowledge, and receive answers. In my experience it is the best way to find out by yourself what to believe. There is no better way to get answers to whatever you want to know. I recommend you try it.

Thanks for your friendly advice, baro-san. I'll try to gather any info I can on self-hypnosis.
I tried video-clips from youtube with regressions, but the Spanish they speak there makes them undigestible. I've found, too, a hypnotherapist very near, from Belgium, who affirms he knew personally and worked with Michael Newton, but his accent in Spanish horrifies me, destructing any subconscious confidence. I'll try self-hypnosis, hope it'll give me a similar effect it gave you.

Wish you all the best,

Ciro.

 

[Cyrus]

I'd suggest the picture is bigger than that, in my opinion there are very many more possibilities. But coming up with a detailed description of what it all means isn't something which worries me. From my point of view, the starting point is to gather information - from lots of different angles. Any views I hold on the subject are always just a "work in progress", I don't think I've ever been able to neatly categorise my views on the subject except perhaps to move from knowing very little, to knowing a bit more. And even what I think know is always subject to revision.

Yes, I can see. Yours is a very sound point of view. Thanks for sharing it with us here, Speedwell.

 

[Spirit Sword]

I want to LIVE my lifetime, not to pass it as if playing a role. And I suppose a lot of people, too. My life is not a theater, I don't want it to be converted into a theater. My brother must be my brother, not my former girl-friend, or vice-versa.

Like it or not, when amnesia on PLs is only partial, the re-incarnation leads to awkward, ridiculous situations, therefore it is incompatible with reality, where we take our lives very seriously, not just like a boogie-woogie musical masks carnival.

I did not say not to take your current life seriously. In fact, that is the antithesis of what I believe. What I was saying is that on a soul level, I do not think it matters. But my post went on to say how it is important to compartmentalize. If a past life is getting in the way of your present, you need to find techniques to push it aside. Because your present life is the most important thing in this lifetime.

 

[baro-san]

... Because your present life is the most important thing in this lifetime.

I guess your statement should be right, but something doesn't sound so to me ... I think I perceive it as narrow view of one's life. I believe that life is a means, not a goal in itself. It is like saying "your present school / training camp / ... is the most important thing while you're there", and I believe that it is always essential to see the present in the larger context.

To me, knowledge about past lives provides you context for what you experience in this life. Can help you make sense of things that you might not understand why happen to you. Shows you that the Universe is fair, that your thoughts and actions have consequences, that you'll get what you deserve, not as a reward or a punishment, but as a balancing act, and a useful lesson.

Physical life is important, because you have an opportunity to acquire the "skills" to overcome this necessary step in your soul's multidimensional journey. It is like school / training camp / ... is important for preparing you for the afterwards.

Otherwise, I don't believe that it matters neither who you were in a past life, nor your relationship with the other actors.

 

[Guillaume_D]

I'm absolutely NOT curious about my PLs, I have no desire to undergo any regression session with any hypnotherapist.

I understand and respect that. But you also say you want to know the truth about reincarnation. And you will not know by learning theory. The only way to know is to see by yourself your own past lives. Later you say you will try self-hypnosis. Be sure what you want, because self-hypnosis is regression, and you will find out memories of past lives.
Now I agree with you: find about your past lives can blow out your current life. Be strong-minded if you go this way.

 

[Cyrus]

I did not say not to take your current life seriously. In fact, that is the antithesis of what I believe. What I was saying is that on a soul level, I do not think it matters. But my post went on to say how it is important to compartmentalize. If a past life is getting in the way of your present, you need to find techniques to push it aside. Because your present life is the most important thing in this lifetime.

Maybe it would be better for everyone if the PLs amnesia were complete, and we all believed we are just simple mortals.

 

[Cyrus]

I understand and respect that. But you also say you want to know the truth about reincarnation. And you will not know by learning theory. The only way to know is to see by yourself your own past lives. Later you say you will try self-hypnosis. Be sure what you want, because self-hypnosis is regression, and you will find out memories of past lives.
Now I agree with you: find about your past lives can blow out your current life. Be strong-minded if you go this way.

I appreciate your concern, Guillaume_D, really. I'll take into account all you said in this respect.

Thank you.

Ciro.

 

[Sea Change]

Maybe it would be better for everyone if the PLs amnesia were complete, and we all believed we are just simple mortals.

Then you wouldn't have a semi-PL or complete PL experiences as choices.

 

[Kalos]

I'm happy my post set the stage for such a nice conversation and really appreciate your replies guys (and gals). Lots of interesting stuff been said, some of which deserve a whole new thread to be discussed in depth. However, to get back to my original question: Seems like it's happened to others too (finding again someone from a PL in a different role) and I'd be very surprised if it didn't. What interests me more is, how people handle it. Seems that the best path is to keep it just for you, which is what I trust is the safest also - what good can come out of telling your wife that you can't touch her again a certain way because she was your son "that other time"? A free ticket to a mental institution maybe

But how do you cope with it? Let's say you never tell your wife from the example above, do you still treat her like you used to? Do you go on and pretend or manage to completely convince yourself that "in this lifetime, this life matters the most" - don't get me wrong, I do believe that statement and in fact I've repeated it more than once in this forum myself. But really now, say you're a man in this life and the love of your (past) life where you also were a man is now your sister - and they also look so much alike. Can you really, really function normally? Won't you have to adjust your life to this knowledge - say, avoid contact and interactions with her as much as possible?

I consider souls genderless and believe that it doesn't really matter because in a soul level the brief ("on-stage" performances of) physical lives are just acts, don't weigh for anything when you get to "meet again up there". Just like in a movie, when the act is over, actors don't take it personally when someone harms them inline with the movie script. It does matter though during the movie - or the next episode of a series, as this reincarnation business seems to be.

There is a story about a guy who, while his wife is pregnant, has a dream. His daughter-to-be comes in it and asks him to call her a specific name when she's born. He does. As she grows up the two of them have this special father-daughter love in an extreme level, they like the same things (from colors to food to music to fav animal), they want to spend every hour of the day together, they play and laugh together, care immensely for each other. She asks him all the time if he loves her more than anything in the world. He at some point gets the extremely burdensome gift of remembering a PL in the US of A and one night he has this dream where his daughter is a grown-up girl when he meets her in that PL for the first time and it's love at first sight. He knows better than to believe that this dream is a PL flashback and is completely certain that, despite having absolutely no "sexual desire" for his daughter, his subconscious plays Oedipus Complex games - which is absolutely normal.

Then one fine day his 8yo daughter who doesn't speak a word in English tells him out of the blue the words "Remember me". In English. They just stare at each other in the eye and she repeats, clearly "Remember me" and leaves the room.

Could be a pretty good movie if done right.

 

[Sea Change]

I want to LIVE my lifetime, not to pass it as if playing a role. And I suppose a lot of people, too. My life is not a theater, I don't want it to be converted into a theater. My brother must be my brother, not my former girl-friend, or vice-versa.

Like it or not, when amnesia on PLs is only partial, the re-incarnation leads to awkward, ridiculous situations, therefore it is incompatible with reality, where we take our lives very seriously, not just like a boogie-woogie musical masks carnival.

Create whatever reality you desire. The only reason that you would be led to experience anything different than what you wish to co-create is that you ascertained prior to incarnation that it was to your best benefit to walk that pathway (of theatrics), desirable [w/in physical reality] or not.