Proof That Reincarnation is Biblical

[Base12]

Hello Past Life Forum.

Many years ago I discovered that reincarnation is supported by the Christian Bible. Since then, I have been attempting to document my findings on various Social Media platforms throughout the Web with varying success.

Long story short, most Christian forums will not even consider a topic such as this. They are always immediately banned along with my account.

My hope is that I can share some my research here and answer questions without being labeled as a 'heretic'.

**WARNING**

If you are a Christian and you decide to share some of the information you read here, PLEASE BE CAREFUL!

There is an extremely high probability that you will suffer some of the same consequences as I have...

*) Kicked out of Church
*) Banned from Christian Forums
*) Loss of friends, family and loved ones
*) Threats, curses, name calling etc.

There is something about this topic that triggers Cognitive Dissonance in Christians, thus a high degree of patience, love and understanding is advised.

 

[Base12]

First and foremost, contrary to what is taught in Churches, the Bible is replete with verses supporting reincarnation.

There is not a single verse in the entire Bible debunking reincarnation.

Sadly, the Christian Community has been taught the exact opposite for centuries.

The verse that is used to try and convince Christians that reincarnation is not Biblical is Hebrews 9:27...

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

The claim is that the verse is stating that "everyone must die, and it's only one time". This is incorrect. Note that Christians are taught that the the Bible does not contradict itself.

If it were true that "everyone must die, and it's only one time", then this would contradict stories of people that never died in the Bible, such as Elijah and Enoch.

It would contradict verses describing the many people who died and were raised back to life again.

It would contradict the Rapture in which verses describing those Raptured will not taste of death.

It would contradict verses describing a 'Second Death'.

Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death"

Bottom line?

Die once and die twice is a contradiction, thus Christians are being blatantly lied to regarding Hebrews 9:27.

All the verse is saying is that every death must be judged. That's it!

In other words, there is a form of 'Karma' involved. One cannot live a life of debauchery and expect to get away with it.

A price must be paid.

 

[Base12]

And now for the moment of Truth...

Hell is a Parable for the Womb and Reincarnation.

That's it. That's the Key that unlocks everything.

Having said that...

If this forum can handle what is being posted here, fantastic. If not, I understand.

Just know that this information has stayed hidden from the masses for thousands of years due to the highest degree of censorship imaginable. We must be brave and be able to discuss these topics before its too late. Time is running out.

Now then...

There are two ways to understand Hell...

1) As taught to a child
2) As taught to an adult

The adult meaning has been hidden from Christians for centuries. Because of this, most do not understand what Hell is truly about.

In other words, the children's version of the teaching of Hell is meant to protect children from adult themes such as "where do babies come from?". A modern-day comparison may be found in the story of the Stork and how babies are delivered by the bird.

When children grow up however, they are then taught the 'adult' meaning of where babies come from. They don't come from storks, but rather from the Womb of the Mother.

Thus, the adult version of the concept of Hell has to do with where you and I come from.

Let’s begin with this verse…

Psalms 139:15
“My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth”

We come from the ‘Lowest Parts of the Earth’. Even non-Christians know this is referring to Hell. So how can this be? We know we come from the Womb, so what is going on here?

Again, this is meant to hide the adult theme from the child. Hell is a parable for the Womb and where babies come from.

Christians are taught that the above verse is ‘not literal’ and that we must not believe what is written. Instead, we must look at it as ‘poetry’ and ignore the deep and profound meaning.

Note that the verse isn't speaking of the 'ingredients' that make up a Human that were formed deep below the Earth's crust. It's about the place a fetus forms.

The Bible is filled with these allusions and innuendos.

Here is another example…

Isaiah 51:1
“Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged”

Here we see the word ‘Pit’ in which again, both Christians and non-Christians alike know that the Pit is another reference to Hell.

What is interesting is the most Scholars agree that the Pit being referred to here is none other than Sarah! We can see this in the next verse…

Isaiah 51:2
"Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him”

Indeed, Hell and the Pit is where babies, i.e. you and I, come from.

In other words, Hell is a parable for the womb and reincarnation.

Note that the womb itself is not 'evil'. The Bible has taken the stance that reincarnation is not something that should be looked upon in a positive sense, but rather as a something that one should avoid.

 

[Base12]

One more post and I will wait for feedback as to whether I should continue.

In the previous post, we learned that Christians are taught that certain verses are NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY OR ELSE!!!

What one will discover is that these are precisely the verses one SHOULD take literal, as they reveal the mystery of reincarnation.

This is how they censor us.

Example:

Matthew 23:15
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves"

This is Jesus talking here!

And look what he is saying... "Child of Hell".

Now wait... hold on a minute... YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT LITERALLY!!!

Says who?

Guess what? You can take that literally.

Not only do children (i.e. you and I) come from Hell, but this particular person is TWOFOLD the Child of Hell, meaning they are already sentenced to another life via reincarnation.

Do you see it?

It's when we take verses like these literally that reincarnation begins to reveal itself in unbelievable detail.

Another example:

John 8:23
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world"

Jesus is saying we come from 'beneath'. We come from the Lowest Parts of the Earth. From the grave.

We come from a past life.

 

[Vogue_1983.]

One more post and I will wait for feedback as to whether I should continue.

In the previous post, we learned that Christians are taught that certain verses are NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY OR ELSE!!!

What one will discover is that these are precisely the verses one SHOULD take literal, as they reveal the mystery of reincarnation.

This is how they censor us.

Example:

Matthew 23:15
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves"

This is Jesus talking here!

And look what he is saying... "Child of Hell".

Now wait... hold on a minute... YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT LITERALLY!!!

Says who?

Guess what? You can take that literally.

Not only do children (i.e. you and I) come from Hell, but this particular person is TWOFOLD the Child of Hell, meaning they are already sentenced to another life via reincarnation.

Do you see it?

It's when we take verses like these literally that reincarnation begins to reveal itself in unbelievable detail.

Another example:

John 8:23
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world"

Jesus is saying we come from 'beneath'. We come from the Lowest Parts of the Earth. From the grave.

We come from a past life.

Wow this is amazing I never thought of it in that way though.I still don't completely get what the link is between hell and a womb,but still...

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12,

Actually, there are quite a few people who have been (or are presently) on the board who are Christians. (I.e., we are followers and seek to be disciples of Christ, though like you we do not accept the traditional eschatology hammered into place after Constantine). So, the concept of Christian reincarnation and reincarnation in the Bible are not new to us.

However, I think you need to re-think your Bible translation. The KJV, uses "Hell" (a term found nowhere in the Bible) as a catch-all translation for various actual terms used in scripture, such as grave, pit, sheol/hades, Gehenna, etc. This merely confuses things and also adds confusion to your argument. It might be best to start over again using the YLT or another literal translation. (The ESV is also surprisingly good in most cases).

Nonetheless, the heart of your argument is worth pursuing. Likewise, I agree that the Christian approach to reincarnation does not necessarily see reincarnation as a positive. Those that have acknowledged it in the past recognize it as a fact or a sad necessity. Some, such as the Origenists and the Bogomils/Cathars, saw it as a very negative consequence of a fall from heavenly existence. In Cathar theology, "hell" is not the womb, it is our present struggling and anguished material existence. Others don't see it in quite those terms, but researching Christian reincarnation through history will lead you into a broad but somewhat diffuse area of study. You have to be ready to follow a lot of tenuous trails to trace the history of this doctrine, since believers in reincarnation have (of necessity) remained hidden in most cases. Your own experiences in this area will leave you in no doubt as to why this would be true.

One of the things I find most interesting about what you have said is not your use of "hell" in this context, but the connection between "the pit" (or grave) and the womb in scripture. This is not something I have spent a lot of thought on. However, I think this connects directly to the very down-to-earth manner of approaching things in the Old Testament. The writers there were not concerned very much about an ethereal after-life of some type. As a matter of fact, the lack of a discussion in the OT of a non-physical after-life is well known and the subject of much commentary.

The ancient Hebrews tended to be very "earthy" people and the Hebrew language (I am told) is very direct and "physical" in its terminology. Hence, it seems very natural to me that they would skip right past any intermediate non-physical or disembodied existence and make a direct connection between the grave and the womb. This also connects with some other areas of study, since the womb/tomb connection is very well known in some fields, such as dream interpretation in accordance with Jungian archetypes.

In any case, I think the tendency in some passages to conflate womb and tomb could very well indicate a direct connection and acknowledgement of reincarnation in their thought. Usually, the phrase womb to tomb indicates the part of the lifespan that we see. In terms of what you are studying, tomb and womb are intimately connected in a way that would indicate that the tomb itself blurs into womb and is merely the doorway into the next life. So, womb to tomb to womb to tomb, etc. Except they leave out the tomb to womb phase of existence and just merge tomb/womb. Very interesting, and seemingly very plausible.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[KenJ]

Welcome Base12, your posts are much like preaching to the choir here. Steve Bowman, Carol's husband, had "Chapter 3" from one of Carol's books as a link that went into detail about this, I personally wish that it wasn't "cleaned-out" in the past two or three years.

 

[John Tat]

I don't understand why it matters what the bible has to say about reincarnation or anything that had been talked about here..

 

[Base12]

Wow this is amazing I never thought of it in that way though.I still don't completely get what the link is between hell and a womb,but still...

We are only scratching the surface.

Another verse that has had Christians confounded for centuries is this one...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"

As we learned earlier, the 'Lowest parts of the Earth' is a reference to the womb and the developing fetus.

Since this revelation would reveal too much with regards to reincarnation, the Church once again has had to censor this from the public.

They have come up with all kinds of ridiculous interpretations that are nothing short of blasphemous. Because of this, debates are endless and rage continually.

Some of the crazy interpretations include...

*) Jesus went to Hell and suffered and was in agony and torments
*) Jesus went to Hell to free prisoners

If we simply follow what we already know, we can deduce that Jesus descended first into Mary's womb.

Simple, and beautiful.

 

[Base12]

Hi Base12,
It might be best to start over again using the YLT or another literal translation. (The ESV is also surprisingly good in most cases).

Hi Sea and Sky.

I personally prefer the KJV, however I agree that comparing various translations in this study will give us a broader perspective with regards to reincarnation.

A perfect example is how the word 'Hell' is translated as 'Gehenna' in a verse we previously looked at...

Matthew 23:15 (KJV)
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves"

Vs...

Matthew 23:15 (Young's Literal Translation)
"Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye go round the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and whenever it may happen -- ye make him a son of gehenna twofold more than yourselves"

We see that Hell is translated as Gehenna.

Gehenna is where the concept of the Lake of Fire comes from. Thus, in order to understand the Lake of Fire, we must learn what Gehenna is.

Gehenna comes from the Old Testament of the Bible and is the place where children were 'passed through the fire' to an entity called Moloch...

2 Kings 23:10
"And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech"

Note that Gehenna is also called Tophet. More on that in a moment.

If we read the verse and others like it, we see that the children always pass through the fire. They don't stay in the fire for all of eternity. It is simply a 'portal'.

Likewise, those thrown into the Lake of Fire do not continually 'burn forever'. They too 'pass through the fire'.

Where do they go? To Moloch.

Who is Moloch?

Moloch can be traced all the way back to the Golden Calf of Exodus and Moses. The Golden Calf is Hathor.

Hathor is a representation of a womb in the form of a woman's face and cow ears...

HAT means Womb
HOR means Horus

"The Womb of Horus"

Thus, Moloch is a representation of the womb.

In other words, those thrown into the Lake of Fire pass through it to Moloch who is a representation of the womb and reincarnation.

This is why Jesus said 'Son of Gehenna'. It's literal

 

[Base12]

In Cathar theology, "hell" is not the womb, it is our present struggling and anguished material existence.

I and Scripture are in total agreement.

Just as the Bible teaches that there are at least Three Heavens, the Bible also teaches that there are at least Three Hells.

This is another form of censorship that is out there. The Church falsely teaches that the Three Heavens are...

*) Earth's Atmosphere
*) Outer Space
*) Where God dwells

What the Bible actually teaches is that Earth's Atmosphere and Outer Space are only ONE of the Three Heavens.

This leaves a Heaven that has been hidden from the public...

The, 'Kingdom of God Within'. <- That is the True Third Heaven.

Another way of putting it, the Three Heavens are...

1) Multiverse
2) Macrocosm
3) Microcosm

Conversely, the Three Hells are the same, but opposite.

Bottom line...

We exist in a mixture of Heaven and Hell, similar to Yin and Yang, etc.

This is what I believe the Church is hiding.

 

[Base12]

One of the things I find most interesting about what you have said is not your use of "hell" in this context, but the connection between "the pit" (or grave) and the womb in scripture.

Ah yes. That one blew my mind when I first saw it.

We have another similar example here...

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is"

This 'Beast' is generally thought to be some type of living, breathing entity. Some say it's the Antichrist.

Regardless, I think most can agree that whatever this thing is, it will most likely be 'birthed' rather than crawl out of a hole somewhere.

However, I see this in a broader sense in that this 'birthing pit' may be a Test Tube, Petri Dish, Artificial Womb, etc.

 

[Base12]

The ancient Hebrews tended to be very "earthy" people and the Hebrew language (I am told) is very direct and "physical" in its terminology. Hence, it seems very natural to me that they would skip right past any intermediate non-physical or disembodied existence and make a direct connection between the grave and the womb.

Wow. This lines up with what I've suspected for a while now.

When Job was going through all of those terrible experiences, he said something that, to me, sounded like he had resolved himself to having to be reincarnated again as a form of punishment...

Job 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD"

He literally says he is returning to his mother's womb.

The counter argument is that the verse is simply stating that we come with nothing and we leave with nothing.

I don't buy it.

 

[Base12]

Usually, the phrase womb to tomb indicates the part of the lifespan that we see.

You reminded me of the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Critics use that to try and debunk my work. On the contrary, it supports reincarnation.

They say "See!, the Rich Man is going to suffer forever!"

What they fail to acknowledge is a little word called 'Likewise'...

Luke 16:25
"But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented"

In other words, there is going to be a balance. Whatever Lazarus experienced in a single lifetime, the Rich Man will now experience the same via his next life.

I believe what is being taught here is a Biblical form of Karma and reaping what one has sown.

I like to take the story a step further and picture Lazarus and the Rich Man as being the same person living two separate lives at the same time.

Lazarus sees his past life as the Rich Man. The Rich Man sees his future life as Lazarus. Between them is a 'Great Gulf Fixed' which may be a reference to the Lake of Fire.

All is just. All is fair. All is balanced in the end. I know it sounds crazy, but one never knows.

 

[Base12]

Welcome Base12, your posts are much like preaching to the choir here. Steve Bowman, Carol's husband, had "Chapter 3" from one of Carol's books as a link that went into detail about this, I personally wish that it wasn't "cleaned-out" in the past two or three years.

Thanks Ken. Do you remember which book?

 

[Base12]

Note that Gehenna is also called Tophet.

You folks are about to hear something you've probably never heard of in your life. If so, I would like to know where you heard it from. I've searched all over for a similar teaching to no avail.

As we saw in a previous verse, Tophet is another name for Gehenna and the Lake of Fire. But where does that word come from? It's a Mystery out there. Some think it means 'Drum' because they used to beat drums to drown out the cries of the children.

This does not fit. Let's see if we can solve this...

Isaiah 30:33
"For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it"

We see that the word Tophet is associated with a pile of wood and fire. That is hardly a drum.

Let's take Sea and Sky's advice and try another translation...

Isaiah 30:33 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
"For a hearth is ordered of old; Yea, for the king it is prepared, Deep and large; The pile thereof is fire and much wood; The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it"

Ah ha! According to this translation, Tophet means Hearth. Perfect. I would agree, as this fits in with other verses such as the ones that describe the Brazen Altar. The Brazen Altar has been likened to the Lake of Fire as well.

So why is this a big deal?

Hearth is a Goddess!

Her name in Greek is Hestia. Her Roman equivalent is Vesta. She is the Goddess of the Eternal Fire. Sound familiar? Think Lake of Fire. That's her. That's Vesta.

As it turns out, Vesta was rarely depicted. Why?

Here is what Wikipedia has to say...

"The myths depicting Vesta and her priestesses were few, and were limited to tales of miraculous impregnation by a phallus appearing in the flames of the hearth—the manifestation of the goddess"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesta_(mythology)

She couldn't be drawn, otherwise it would be X rated!

Thus, the Lake of Fire is Tophet, which means Hearth and is represented by an Eternal Flame Goddess that gets impregnated.

In other words, those that are tossed into the Lake of Fire are the 'Seed' by which the impregnation takes place!

Oh, and there is another clue in Isaiah 30:33...

"The breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it"

Does anyone here know what the Breath of the Lord does in the Bible?

It puts a Spirit into a Body...

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul"

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi John,

Why wouldn't the Bible matter in a discussion of Biblical texts/interpretation? I don't think I understand your point.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12,

I wish I had time for an extensive review of what you have written, but only time for first impressions at the moment. So:

As to post #9 - lowest parts of the earth also means grave. It is an allusion that combines both womb and tomb meanings. So, depending on context it could indicate both his initial birth, or his death. However, in this case, we have no reason to believe that Christ reincarnated, so if it refers to death that option is off the table. PS--I don't find the second current interpretation mentioned to be off the table. It actually has a lot of scriptural support, which I can get into another time.

As to posts 10 & 16 - Scripture interprets scripture. This is a good rule overall, though seldom followed to the Nth degree. However, bringing in references to Hathor and Vesta seems like a real stretch in this context and weakens your arguments IMO. Can you bridge the gap you are seeking to bridge via scriptural references (and especially) without recourse to foreign gods that were probably not in the mind of the Biblical authors?

As to post 11 - I have heard Southern Baptist preachers use this interpretation of three heavens, and I suppose it is current with a variety of others of the same type. However, it cannot be called a "Church" teaching as it not used by the whole church, or even (as far as I know) a majority of the Church and never has been as far as I know. There are a variety of approaches to the number of heavens and their inhabitants. Some of the most famous and influential over the centuries were posited by an early theologian known as Pseudo-Dionysius. However, there are many more. You might try Wikipedia on the subject.

As to post 12 - Interesting. I'm not sure I buy this, but it has some possibilities I would like to explore.

As to post 13 - Definitely. It is quoted by Ultra-Orthodox Rabbis (who also believe in reincarnation) to make the same point. Check out Gilgul in Wikipedia. This will probably lead you to Kabbala (which comes in numerous "flavors"), but that is a subject you could get lost in, so be aware of that danger.

As to post 14 - Same as 12.

Sorry to be out of time. There are many promising points here, but also a need to build your cases more carefully.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--What are your plans for the future? I am old, and I take it that you are young--just my impression. However, the faith is in need of another "Reformation" at the moment (IMO). So, if your career is still ahead of you, you may want to keep this fact in mind.

 

[Base12]

I appreciate all the responses!

I will begin addressing your points Sea and Sky. It could take a while.

I'm usually banned by now, so I'm a bit shocked I'm still here. I rarely get a chance to respond, so I'm excited to be able to give out more detail.

If my posts seem lacking in detail, it's because I've learned not to waste time on a forum that's going to delete everything I write.

Now that it looks like I will be allowed to continue, I will build these cases with more information and references.

 

[Base12]

As to post #9 - lowest parts of the earth also means grave. It is an allusion that combines both womb and tomb meanings. So, depending on context it could indicate both his initial birth, or his death. However, in this case, we have no reason to believe that Christ reincarnated, so if it refers to death that option is off the table. PS--I don't find the second current interpretation mentioned to be off the table. It actually has a lot of scriptural support, which I can get into another time.

Thanks for taking time to respond!

I agree that Christ was not reincarnated. I will now give more detail as to what I believe is being taught.

I believe that this verse...

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"

...matches up with this verse...

John 3:13
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven"

Thus, Ephesians 4:9 is referencing Christ descending into Mary's belly to become born.

As a side note, I also believe that this is how the Sons of God were able to incarnate into our reality...

Genesis 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown"

The difference is that Christ had permission, the Sons of God did not. If Christ had children, I believe they would have been Giants as well. If they ever find the actual blood of Jesus, they will use it to bring back the Nephilim.

Continuing on...

Let's examine this verse...

Ephesians 4:8
"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men"

Jesus did not "release prisoners from Hell".

Before he ascended, he went into the bellies of other woman that were pregnant at the time to preach to the 'Spirits in prison'...

1 Peter 3:19-20
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"
"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water"

These so called 'prisoners' were ones that were previously judged to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. They were disobedient, thus they were not worthy to go to Heaven, but rather they were sentenced for reincarnation.

Paul even begins the chapter by clarifying who the prisoners are...

Ephesians 4:1
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called"

The prisoners are all of us here on Earth. God knew all about us before we were born because we had a prior 'felony record'...

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations"

Once Jesus was in the belly of the pregnant women, he gave gifts unto them via Grace. In other words, they got a second chance doing community service...

Ephesians 4:11
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers"

Look at how the above two verses match. Jeremiah is giving details on how he was given the gift of prophecy before being born.

They say that context is everything. So let's look at the context of the whole chapter. I will condense it into the finer points...

"we henceforth be no more children"

"may grow up"

"the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth"

"ye put on the new man"

Does the above sound like a baby developing in the womb and children growing up into a new reincarnated body?

I'll let you folks be the judge.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12:

As to Post 19 -- You will not be banned here for talking about reincarnation. There is a list of rules that you should read, but really the most important ones are: (1) don't get political; (2) don't preach (as opposed to discuss); and (3) keep it kid friendly. Kid friendly means stay nice and avoid "adult" language and graphic descriptions involving sex/violence/etc. There are also some topics that are discouraged to varying degrees, such as PLs on other planets, but you will get guidance and warnings before you're banned and it would have to be pretty blatant and repeated stuff to get hammered. So, I think you can relax and enjoy yourself.

As to Post 20 -- I lost you at "If Christ had children . . . ." But I will look at it again to see if I can follow your reasoning. I think I understand where you are going with this, but I don't think I agree.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Base12]

I still don't completely get what the link is between hell and a womb,but still...

I forgot to mention something very important...

Jonah and the Whale.

The children's version of the story is what most are familiar with. A man gets thrown into the sea, is swallowed by a whale, then is vomited onto land.

The adult interpretation, I believe, has to do with reincarnation. Let's take a look...

Jonah 1:15
"So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging"

The sea in this case can be looked at as the Lake of Fire. Jonah is representative of one who is thrown in.

Next...

Jonah 1:17
"Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"

As I mentioned previously, those thrown into the Lake of Fire pass through it. They go to an entity called Moloch which I believe is representative of the womb of reincarnation. A new mom so to speak.

Likewise, we see Jonah in the 'belly' of a whale. The whale represents the womb of the new mother. Jonah represents the male seed or perhaps the child inside.

Here is where things get interesting...

Jonah 2:2
"And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice"

Hell is being likened to a Belly.

Let's try Young's again...

Jonah 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
"And he saith: I called, because of my distress, to Jehovah, And He doth answer me, From the belly of sheol I have cried, Thou hast heard my voice"

Is sheol really just the grave or is there more to the story? The answer is in the word 'Belly'...

Strong's 990: Beten
Definition: belly, body, womb

"From an unused root probably meaning to be hollow; the belly, especially the womb; also the bosom or body of anything -- belly, body, + as they be born, + within, womb"

Belly is translated as Womb many times in the Bible...

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_990.htm

Thus, Jonah was in the 'Womb of Hell'.

And although Jonah was in a whale, look what he says...

Jonah 2:6
"I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God"

Now we are back to the Lowest Parts of the Earth where babies are made...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"

And if that wasn't enough, look at this verse...

Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"

Again we have the whale's belly being compared to the Heart of the Earth.

Think of a baby inside the mother. If the womb is the Earth, then the Heart of the Earth is the heart of the baby.

Jesus went into the hearts of the babies to preach to them in the womb to give them gifts of prophecy etc.

1 Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"

Jonah mentioned Earth with her 'bars'... prison bars.

Ironically, sermons about Jonah and the Whale are often titled 'God of Second Chances'... reincarnation...

 

[Base12]

Thanks Sea and Sky. I plan on commenting more on your list tonight or tomorrow.

I don't believe Christ had children. That would be very unBiblical. However, speaking theoretically of course, if he did I believe they would be the same as described in Genesis. The Mighty Men of Renown.

Some folks with big egos claim to be a descendant like in that movie Da Vinci Code. I don't believe them.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12,

You're going too fast for me. You may have been thinking and working on these ideas for a while, but for me this is all very recent, and there is a lot of conceptual readjustment that needs to take place. However, having said that, I still think you may be engaged in some over-reach. The Womb/Tomb (or heart of the earth/womb and birth) connections seem clear, but fire language in the Bible brings in other issues (persecution/purification) as does prison language and a variety of other passages you are bringing into the equation.

I will need to go slower as I seek to assimilate and apply the base concept. However, my initial impression is that you are making the mistake summarized in the old adage: When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I think you have discovered a very, very fine tool (the "hammer") and am also eager to explore all of its possibilities. However, I am not sure that it can be usefully applied in as many contexts as you now seek to apply it. I may come to your conclusion with time, but for the moment I'm still considering.

In any case, feel free to keep moving forward with your thoughts and posts. I will catch up in due course. But it may take me a while to evaluate and comment. So, hang in there, and I will try to give more meaningful comment when I get the chance.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Base12]

However, bringing in references to Hathor and Vesta seems like a real stretch in this context and weakens your arguments IMO. Can you bridge the gap you are seeking to bridge via scriptural references (and especially) without recourse to foreign gods that were probably not in the mind of the Biblical authors?

Something I should mention here is that my research tends to focus mainly on rare or never before explored areas of Bible Study. Not only do I feel that there is no need to post information that is readily available with a quick web search, but I just don't have the time. Linking Vesta with the Eternal Flame is a good example of something that hardly anyone knows about. With a bit of research however, the connections may be found...

A Hebrew and English Lexicon, Without Points - John Parkhurst - 1823

https://archive.org/details/hebrewenglishlex00parkuoft/page/569

But for the sake of those not familiar with the Bible, I will post some common info...

When it comes to context regarding foreign gods and goddesses, the entire Bible is the context. There are numerous references to other gods and goddesses in the Bible. The Authors were very well aware of them as idol worship was not only a big problem at the time, but one of the most important themes of Christianity...

Acts 19:27
"So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth"

1 Kings 11:33
"Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father"

Acts 28:4 (NIV)
When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, "This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, the goddess Justice has not allowed him to live."

2 Chronicles 31:1 (NIV)
"When all this had ended, the Israelites who were there went out to the towns of Judah, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. They destroyed the high places and the altars throughout Judah and Benjamin and in Ephraim and Manasseh. After they had destroyed all of them, the Israelites returned to their own towns and to their own property"

The most blatant, modern day example of goddess worship has to do with the worshiping of Mary as the "Queen of Heaven". Queen of Heaven is a very well known title for Hathor and for Isis...

Jeremiah 7:18
"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger"

Most researchers agree that the worship of Mary is comparable to the worship of Isis. A quick image search reveals how prevalent it is. Queen of Heaven is also the title for Mystery Babylon... the great Earth Mother...

Revelation 17:5
"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH"

By the way...

The Bible teaches that *WE* the Human Race are the 'Harlots and Abominations' she gives birth to. Most Christians will never admit to this as they are full of pride and ego. In other words, it is Mystery Babylon that ultimately represents the Lake of Fire and the path to reincarnation.

The Bible also teaches that our Earthly Father is the Devil...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it"

The above verse is literal and applies to all Human Beings. Again, only those that have humbled themselves and studied the Bible with an honest heart will see it.

One need look no further than the story of Adam and Eve and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil to understand. The Forbidden Fruit has everything in the world to do with reincarnation. I plan on going into great detail on what the Forbidden Fruit is. Prepare to be shocked... lol.

Let's just say that Hathor (Mystery Babylon) is the Lady of the Sycamore Fig Tree and assisting in Rebirth was one of her specialties. The Serpent... aka... the Devil was her 'partner' so to speak. The Human Race is their offspring via the mechanism of reincarnation called 'Mystery of Iniquity', by eating and drinking her... (to be continued).

Mystery of Iniquity is one of the Biblical terms for reincarnation...

2 Thessalonians 2:7
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way"

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (Young's Literal Translation)
"for the secret of the lawlessness doth already work, only he who is keeping down now will hinder -- till he may be out of the way"

Note that there is a 'He' that is holding something back. This 'Restrainer' as it is sometimes called, is the mechanism by which our past and or future life memories are 'erased' (for the most part). Because most Christians don't believe in reincarnation, they have no idea in the world who the Restrainer is and what it means. One day this 'memory wipe algorithm' will be turned off and both children and adults will begin to remember the past and future with vivid detail...

Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams"

Also... the Holy Ghost is NOT the restrainer that is taken away from people (as is usually taught), it is in fact poured out as the verse clearly states.

Anyhow, since the Isralites spent many years in Egypt, they were very familiar with who Hathor was. Some researchers believe that Mount Sinai, where Moses recieved the Ten Commandments, was none other than Serabit el-Khadim or the Temple of Hathor...

"In her book A History of Sinai, Lina Eckenstein theorized that Serabit el-Khadim was the historical site of Mt. Sinai where Moses received the 10 commandments. This theory comes in no small part to the site containing a temple of Hathor which is believed to be the Golden Calf idol constructed by the Hebrews while Moses was on the mountain top"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serabit_el-Khadim

I happen to agree with the above. In fact, the plans for the Tabernacle in the Wilderness were received at Mt Sinai, thus I believe the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is linked to Hathor and our very own Cell Biology...

We are built according to the Temple of Hathor. Our bodies are the Temple...

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

I know... too much information. Sorry.



Even Hollywood depicts the Golden Calf as Hathor...

One final note on Hathor and reincarnation...

The Bible describes two Mothers:

1) Sarah
2) Hagar

Sarah represents the Heavenly Mother and something called New Jerusalem...

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all"

New Jerusalem is the Heavenly Womb by which the saved are Born Again into a new immortal body.

Hagar represents the Earthly Mother, the Earthly Womb and reincarnation...

Galatians 4:25
"For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children"

She also represents Mount Sinai and the Temple of Hathor. In fact the name Agar can be linked to Hathor, but I don't have time for that now.

Hagar is the 'Egyptian Woman'...

Genesis 16:1
"Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar"

For some reason, the Bible keeps linking Hagar with Egypt...

Genesis 21:9
"And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking"

I believe this is done to make crystal clear that Hagar represents Hathor and Isis as well as Mt Sinai and the earthly ways of the Old Testament. She represents the Law. She represents Bondage. She represents the cycle of rebirth and reincarnation. She represents being a Prisoner on this planet.

"...the earth with her bars was about me for ever..."

 

[Base12]

I should probably mention that Hestia, who is synonymous with Vesta, is the sister of Hades...

"She was the eldest daughter of the Titans Rhea and Cronus, and sister to Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter, Hera, and Hades"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hestia

Hades of course is thrown into the Lake of Fire...

Revelation 20:14 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death"

Hestia's Family Tree includes Apollo, who some say is the Apollyon of Revelation...

Revelation 9:11 (Young's Literal Translation)
"and they have over them a king -- the messenger of the abyss -- a name is to him in Hebrew, Abaddon, and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon"

Also worth mentioning is that Hestia is the eldest daughter of Cronus, which is synonymous with Saturn.

This leads us back to the Saitic Isis, who claims the same birth-rite...

“I am Isis, Queen of this country. I was instructed by Mercury. No one can destroy the laws which I have established. I am the eldest daughter of Saturn, most ancient of the Gods”

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12,

I was not familiar with the title "Saitic" Isis (which connects the well known goddess to a particular Egyptian city and, I assume, cult). The reference led me very quickly to Higgins and "Anacalypsis". This work in turn dates to the same era as the Parkhurst Lexicon you previously cited.

Higgins was a person looking for common threads leading back to a single origin in terms of religion. This is OK by me, but leads me to suspect that you are drawing from a particular stream of thought in terms of some or much of what you have introduced. (Obviously Vegi-Tales and Hollywood's version of the Golden Calf post-date this--but I'm OK with both of those as well). However, if you are drawing from particular sources related to a particular stream of scholarship and thought, I would appreciate references to specific chapters/sections of the works in question so that I can (hopefully) read them online. That will help me to better understand where you are coming from and the bases of the concepts put forth.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Base12]

I would appreciate references to specific chapters/sections of the works in question so that I can (hopefully) read them online.

My research covers a lot of ground and reincarnation is but a small part of it. If I were to sum it all up, this is all basically just a hobby of mine to link Science and Biology with Scripture. It's just something I find fascinating and so I like to share what I find with others with the hopes that it will help us all discover Truth one day.

The Tabernacle vs. Cell Biology graphics are a typical example of what I've uncovered over the years.

I'm not sure what kind of schools of thought I can relate any of this to. Maybe Apologetics?

All I do is read the Bible until I see something that relates to Science, Technology and Biology and I document it for others to look into. They are often highly theoretical, so a lot of it is new and not found on the web or in books etc.

As an Engineer, I can see that the Bible is written much like a set of Blueprints and Bills of Materials. One of my skills is 'Reverse Engineering', which is what I spend most of my time doing with the ancient texts.

I've uncovered a LOT of highly advanced information that has been 'encoded' into Scripture. This information has no business being in a book that old, other than to prove that there is an intelligence far superior to ours and to give us a basic outline of how the bodies of the Saved will be constructed.

It even gets down to the Quantum Particle scale. The High Priest's Breastplate represents the Twelve Particles of Matter in the Standard Model...

The Holy Trinity or Godhead was always meant to Illuminate Mankind by teaching us about the generic construct of the Atom, but the world remains in ignorance...

BTW... this is what Ezekiel was given a vision of. Atomic Construct and how it operates...

The Four Living Creatures are the Four Forces of Nature.

What's really astonishing is that there is even Genetic Code embedded within the Bible's pages. In fact, my User Name reflects this fact. This Genetic Code is comprised of twelve unique Nucleobases. We Humans only have four... Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine and Thymine. Five if we count Uracil. My suspicion is that the Bible is showing us what the Glorified Body 'upgrade' will look like so we can make an educated decision as to whether we want that or not for our next incarnation.

It's funny...

A previous poster was wondering why bother discussing all of this. Well, if anyone wants to take a 'sneak peak' at what this Angelic DNA consists of, the Bible is the place to look!

I'm still treading lightly here as I'm so used to folks freaking out over the topics I bring up in other forums. Cognitive Dissonance is a real thing and something I encounter constantly.

Perhaps I should just tell everyone how I came to believe that reincarnation is Biblical.

I Reversed Engineered it.

After spending months linking the Tabernacle in the Wilderness with Eukaryotic Cell Biology, I began to notice the 'blueprints' I mentioned earlier.

For example: The Ark of the Covenant is the Nucleolus of the Cell. The Cherubim are DNA. Many Pastors teach that Lucifer was one or both of those Cherubim...

Ezekiel 28:14
"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire"

Lucifer is another name for Phosphorus, which forms the Serpent Strands of our DNA. The Stones of Fire are another reference to Phosphorus. Lucifer was decorated with Precious Stones...

Ezekiel 28:13
"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created"

I learned that the Precious Stones were Nucleobases. As we can see in the above verse, Lucifer had several more Nucleobases than our four, making him much more advanced genetically.

When I tried to teach people about how the Bible was predicting that Mankind would someday create new letters to the Genetic Code, they of course laughed and mocked me.

Years later, Scientists began to create life forms with more than four Nucleobases...

I started getting emails from people thinking I was Elijah... haha!

Anyhow, it was this next verse that I finally realized what I was looking at...

Isaiah 14:15
"Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit"

Isaiah 14:15 (Young's Literal Translation)
"Only -- unto Sheol thou art brought down, Unto the sides of the pit"

I already knew that the Pit meant the Womb, but why was Lucifer, a picture of DNA, being put there?

REINCARNATION!

Lucifer/DNA/Seed going to the Pit was a picture of Conception.

The Bible was describing how Lucifer was going to be reincarnated again. A Fundamental Christian such as myself would call this reincarnated being The AntiChrist.

I later concluded that this same mechanism applied for all of Human Life. The 'Sides of the Pit' are the ovaries. This is where the Seed/DNA went.

When I began researching the above subject matter, I ran into Alchemy. I now know that many Alchemical paintings and artwork reflect this Biblical reincarnation mechanism, but with a twist...

They more or less depict attempts at coming back from the dead with a form of Glorified Body by the work of their own hands. In other words, Man saving Man without a Savior. I'm sure you are familiar with this concept. It's called "The Great Work". Apparently they will be successful one day... soon.

Not only did the Ancient Alchemists see the same Genetic Blueprints that I'm seeing, they were actually able to illustrate some of it long before DNA was even discovered!!!

One of the most blatant examples of this can be seen in the following image called "Hermetic Triumph", which comes straight out the Bible...

https://archive.org/details/b30774627/page/n2?q=Hermetic+Triumph

Be sure and use the Zoom tool to see the finer details.

Here is a smaller version...

Note that every symbol in the above image can be traced to a verse in the Bible.

For example:

Serpents = Lucifer
Hills = Sides of the Pit
Paths = Crooked Paths
Sun/Moon = Father/Mother
Triangle = Sulphur i.e. Brimstone
Constellations = Mazzaroth
Arch = Vault of Heaven
Crowns = Kings/Royalty/Power etc.

and of course...

The Lake and Fire Portal/Tunnel = Lake of Fire

These symbols then match Human Anatomy. Specifically, the Womb.

In other words, the Hermetic Triumph depicts a Womb at the Moment of Conception...

Serpents = RNA/DNA (Seed)
Hills/Sides of the Pit = Ovaries
Crooked Paths = Fallopian Tubes
Sun/Moon = Father/Mother
Constellations/Mazzaroth = Birth Month (Set to Taurus/Hathor)
Lake = Amniotic Sac
Fire Tunnel = Mouth of the Womb

Notice the connections to this verse...

Proverbs 30:16 (Douay-Rheims Bible)
"Hell, and the mouth of the womb, and the earth which is not satisfied with water: and the fire never saith: It is enough"

So imagine my shock when I came across that artwork after all of the previous research I already had under my belt. It pretty much confirmed everything I suspected.

Now how did that information get encoded into a book thousands of years old?

And how do I explain all of this to a Christian without being stoned to death?

Now THAT would be a "Great Work"... LOL!

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Base12,

I am a patent attorney (physics undergrad), so I have often worked with engineers over the years. Hence, we are rooted, so to speak, in the same ground. From that standpoint, I approach the Bible as the data set, with the understanding that theology (though claims are made to inspiration) is a theoretical construct based on the available data. It is not the data, but a way of understanding/approaching the data. From that standpoint, it is a "tradition of men" and not entitled to the same type of adherence as the scripture (data) itself. It is, likewise, subject to challenge and change just like physical theories are subject to challenge and change to better fit the data.

Reformed and always reforming was, at one time, the motto of the Reformation. However, in practice it actually means (for most that I know) that little tweaks around the edges might be possible, but don't touch anything major. Hence, Protestantism, after adopting some initial doctrinal changes, has become as set in its ways as the ossified Church it reacted against. The only changes seem to come from Theological liberals, who are more interested in ditching scripture where it doesn't suit their "enlightened" viewpoint than doing the hard work of reworking theology within the letter of scripture.

I'm not interested in smashing a stained glass window here, nor in destroying almost 2000 years of careful work by dedicated and sincere theologians. However, it is clear to me that Christian eschatology took a wrong turn very early on (otherwise I wouldn't be on this board). In any case, I am not surprised to see a variety of things come out of scripture of the type you have mentioned in other subject areas. However, my primary interest at this point is in Eschatology and reincarnation within a Christian context. Some of the other things you have brought up also are of great interest, but might be better covered in new threads dedicated to what is disclosed.

Thanks for the additions on the eschatological front! And, I will look into the rest more thoroughly in due course.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Base12]

Thanks for commenting Sea and Sky.

While we are on the subject of Alchemy and how it relates to reincarnation and the Lake of Fire, I wanted to share one of my favorite Alchemy images...

It is called the 'Hand of the Philosopher' or 'Hand of Mysteries'...

http://atrightanglestoreality.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hand-of-philosophers-by-john-isaac.html

It basically has the same theme as Hermetic Triumph, complete with the Lake of Fire, but drawn in a very different way. Again, it's a picture of Biblical reincarnation told via symbolism. Gnostics would see this as Apotheosis.

The link above provides clues and partial interpretations by the original artist.

For example...

The Fish

"The sixth secret sign is the FISH.. It stands in the middle of the Hand and signifies Mercury, for without Mercury or the fish, nothing can be done, He is the beginning, the middle and the end, and he is the priest who must marry everything. And he is the male and the seed; he is the water out of which all metals have originated; and he is the principal (factor) of all Arts, and the greatest of all secrets"

So, according to the author...

*) The Fish is Mercury
*) It is also the Male Seed (DNA)

The Biblical counterpart would be Jonah as Mercury inside the belly of the Great Fish...

Jonah 1:17
"Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"

The Palm

"The seventh sign of the philosophers is FIRE. By this Sulphur is indicated. It is the earth and beginning of all metals. It is the female who brings forth the fruit. For no seed can grow unless it be first thrown into fertile soil. Then beautiful fruit will come from it"

So, according to the author...

*) The Lake in the Palm burns with Fire and Sulphur
*) This 'Lake of Fire' is also the Earth
*) At the same time it is the Female who brings forth Fruit
*) In other words, the Lake of Fire is a portal to the Womb and reincarnation

The Biblical counterpart would be of course the Lake of Fire burning with Sulphur...

Revelation 21:8 (English Standard Version)
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death”

Thus, Jonah is the Mercury (Caduceus) which is the DNA/Seed placed in the Lake of Fire (Amniotic Sac) inside the Earth (Womb).

The Fish could also be looked at as the Fascinus that manifests with Vesta. I'll let you folks work out the finer details... lol.

If we look at the rest of the symbols on the Hand of the Philosopher, we can link those to Revelation as well.

We have a Star and a Key to the Bottomless Pit...

Revelation 9:1
"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit"

We have a Crown for perhaps a King...

Revelation 9:11
"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon"

Etc. etc.

Note that the book this came from is called 'The Book of Seven Seals'...

Revelation 5:5
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof"