How Vested Should We Be, When We're Really Just Passing Through

[Cyrus]

I've read somewhere - pity I don't remember the exact phrase - smth. like that those who encourage the young black people to protest now are quite white and not so young themselves. They have acquired plenty of experience in provoking this kind of protests all over the world, and now they are applying at home the manipulative techniques they've learned, practiced and refined elsewhere.

So, all this will calm down in November. No need to worry.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi Cyrus,

You are definitely right about a lot of the instigation going on. I hope you're right about it ending in a few months, but I wish I could be more certain on that. I also wish I could be more specific, but this thread survives by being vague.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[There and back again]

I've read somewhere - pity I don't remember the exact phrase - smth. like that those who encourage the young black people to protest now are quite white and not so young themselves. They have acquired plenty of experience in provoking this kind of protests all over the world, and now they are applying at home the manipulative techniques they've learned, practiced and refined elsewhere.

So, all this will calm down in November. No need to worry.

 

[Cyrus]

Hm-m-m. No accounting for tastes.

Anyways, the last word will be said by the demography, in the near future...

Lebanon was called Switzerland of the Near East, until its christian population decreased and became less than one half.
After that, Lebanon became what it is now.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Cyrus, shame on you!

Didn't you know that we're not allowed to make observations like that any more!! Most especially when everyone knows that it is true!!!

The West is now the land ruled by those three notorious monkeys when it comes to "certain" realities:

It is such a sad pitiful charade. We're all caught in some type of bizarre re-enactment of the old fairy tale about the "Emperor's New Clothes". We all know that the numb skull is wearing nothing, but we are terrified to say what is so obvious to all, and which most deny fiercely (even to themselves).

BTW--We had a good many Lebanese folks where I went to church many years ago. Wonderful people, but forced to leave and make a new life elsewhere when the Islamists took over, and they were the lucky ones. Turkey will be there soon, the signs are everywhere. One can definitely add the Jihadi (and his/her ilk) in there with the Jacobin, Bolshevik and Storm Trooper.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I don't know how much longer the ones who got away will be considered "lucky" to have made it here. The madness seems to be rampant everywhere in one form or another and growing by the day.

 

[Cyrus]

Cyrus, shame on you!

Didn't you know that we're not allowed to make observations like that any more!! Most especially when everyone knows that it is true!!!

The West is now the land ruled by those three notorious monkeys when it comes to "certain" realities:

It is such a sad pitiful charade. We're all caught in some type of bizarre re-enactment of the old fairy tale about the "Emperor's New Clothes". We all know that the numb skull is wearing nothing, but we are terrified to say what is so obvious to all, and which most deny fiercely (even to themselves).

BTW--We had a good many Lebanese folks where I went to church many years ago. Wonderful people, but forced to leave and make a new life elsewhere when the Islamists took over, and they were the lucky ones. Turkey will be there soon, the signs are everywhere. One can definitely add the Jihadi (and his/her ilk) in there with the Jacobin, Bolshevik and Storm Trooper.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I don't know how much longer the ones who got away will be considered "lucky" to have made it here. The madness seems to be rampant everywhere in one form or another and growing by the day.

Well, S&S, in the public dimension, maybe.

But in the depths of the secret services (western or not) they surely call the things by their real names.

And I'm sure they dedicate considerable share of their time and budgets to investigating even such exotic things like re-incarnation, very seriously.

No fools.

I'm an optimist because I firmly hope that there's still time for just one more next life for me in the good old world. Those guys must do something really valuable in the end.

Wish you all the best.

 

[There and back again]

Here we go again.

 

[Cyrus]

Here we go again.

It doesn't look at all like Switzerland, man !

 

[SeaAndSky]

It definitely doesn't look like Switzerland, but it does looks like what can be expected from the people who took over there (who shall, in order to preserve the thread, remain unnamed).

S&S

 

[SeaAndSky]

An interesting discovery on my part. I was looking for something else and came across a post I made a couple of years ago about historical trends that seems strangely prescient in view of the events of the past couple of months:

But what concerns me most about all of the changes I like the least is that there seems to be a growing quality of frenzy and madness about them and those who promote them. I had hoped and thought that "The West" as a whole was headed in the opposite direction and leading the rest of the world in that direction. However, that seems as well to have been a part of my youthful naivete. You will know this "spirit" when you see it. There is always a frenzied and maddened quality about it, a tremendous hostility to history and tradition and a willingness and desire to destroy all that stands in the way, quash all opposing freedom of thought and dissent, and to impose complete conformity to their "ideal". I.e., it is always ultimately totalitarian in the realm of culture, religion and politics and seeks to overturn and crush all traditional mores and beliefs in favor of what its adherents consider to be more "enlightened" values. From this standpoint, no one in history is "pure" enough. All are irrevocably tainted except a few they consider to have been early proto-advocates. The remainder must be defaced and their memory erased if not useful to the cause. Ultimately, they leave only themselves and their cohorts as the source of values and wisdom. It is easy enough to see it and its ugly out-working in the French Revolution and the Communist Revolution and the reigns of terror and bloodshed that followed their successes. However, it is difficult and painful to see this tendency cropping up more and more in your own culture.

(http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/ancient-egypt-the-sun-please-help.8068/page-6#post-107674; post #112). Well, I'd far rather have been wrong, but if history follows its usual course, it will only get worse. There is, obviously, still hope. Nonetheless, it might be better to prepare your own "lifeboat" and be ready to "divest" as much as you can if things continue down hill.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[Cyrus]

An interesting discovery on my part. I was looking for something else and came across a post I made a couple of years ago about historical trends that seems strangely prescient in view of the events of the past couple of months:

But what concerns me most about all of the changes I like the least is that there seems to be a growing quality of frenzy and madness about them and those who promote them. I had hoped and thought that "The West" as a whole was headed in the opposite direction and leading the rest of the world in that direction. However, that seems as well to have been a part of my youthful naivete. You will know this "spirit" when you see it. There is always a frenzied and maddened quality about it, a tremendous hostility to history and tradition and a willingness and desire to destroy all that stands in the way, quash all opposing freedom of thought and dissent, and to impose complete conformity to their "ideal". I.e., it is always ultimately totalitarian in the realm of culture, religion and politics and seeks to overturn and crush all traditional mores and beliefs in favor of what its adherents consider to be more "enlightened" values. From this standpoint, no one in history is "pure" enough. All are irrevocably tainted except a few they consider to have been early proto-advocates. The remainder must be defaced and their memory erased if not useful to the cause. Ultimately, they leave only themselves and their cohorts as the source of values and wisdom. It is easy enough to see it and its ugly out-working in the French Revolution and the Communist Revolution and the reigns of terror and bloodshed that followed their successes. However, it is difficult and painful to see this tendency cropping up more and more in your own culture.

(http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/ancient-egypt-the-sun-please-help.8068/page-6#post-107674; post #112). Well, I'd far rather have been wrong, but if history follows its usual course, it will only get worse. There is, obviously, still hope. Nonetheless, it might be better to prepare your own "lifeboat" and be ready to "divest" as much as you can if things continue down hill.

Cordially,
S&S

Hi, guys,

Sometimes I ask myself whether the very existence of the USSR, with all those horrors and marasms, served as a severe warning to the powerful of the Western World to follow their greedy instincts with more moderation, avoiding as best as they could the worst patterns of capitalism described in Marx's "Das Kapital", or else ... they would have followed their spiritual twins sacrificed to bolsheviks.

But there is nothing new under the Moon: the Western modern elites, just like the French aristorcrats after the definite defeat of Napolean and the restauration of monarchy in France - have learnt nothing and have forgotten nothing...

So, we are just beginning to repeat the same old historical curve the Humanity has already passed, beginning in the XIX-th century.

IMHO.

Best Regards.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Just kicking up a thread here, as I watch history working its way out here in the West and am feeling fairly glum about the way things are going. I also wonder if this is just some inevitable march from representative government to dictatorship/empire. I am thinking, in particular, about the transition from the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire. To quote good ol' Wikipedia: "the Roman Republic is generally considered one of the earliest examples of representative democracy." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic). And yet, it was not a peaceful period:

"Unlike the Pax Romana of the Roman Empire, the Republic was in a state of quasi-perpetual war throughout its existence. Its first enemies were its Latin and Etruscan neighbours as well as the Gauls, who even sacked the city in 387 BC. The Republic nonetheless demonstrated extreme resilience and always managed to overcome its losses . . ."

However, "the center could not hold." It was not ultimately foreign enemies, but civil war based in class warfare that brought about the end of political equality and representative government:

"At home, the Republic similarly experienced a long streak of social and political crises, which ended in several violent civil wars. At first, the Conflict of Orders opposed the patricians, the closed oligarchic elite, to the far more numerous plebs, who finally achieved political equality in several steps during the 4th century BC. Later, the vast conquests of the Republic disrupted its society, as the immense influx of slaves they brought enriched the aristocracy, but ruined the peasantry and urban workers."

The modern parallels are fairly obvious. I'll spare you the tales of destroyed reformers and civil wars that finally led up to the founding of the imperium. Needless to say, the aristos/elites won. This is not a given, as the French and Russian revolutions show. In either case, as Mark Twain is reputed to have said, “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.” I think we are in one of those times.

So, back to the question this thread began with: How vested should we be? We are just passing through. Should we just let it go or throw our heart and soul into trying to save what is under attack? Likewise, where would you or could you go?

The "West" has had a pretty good run, and representative government + human rights have once again reached a high point compared to prior eras, but can it continue? Is the cycle of history rotating once again back towards what seems to be its default position? If you haven't read about the social credit system put into place in China you should do so. You might also want to brush up on your George Orwell and 1984. The surveillance society is already here and can easily become even more pervasive as well as non-optional. Dictatorship can come in many forms, but it always seems to be ready to swallow us all. What will happen in this era will be far more technologically based, and the technology and power to do so currently exists.

Indeed, where could you go, not just in this lifetime, but in another? Another thread asks why people choose to incarnate in "bad" places. The question here is: Could we come to a time where there are no longer any "good" places to incarnate? Is it our duty to fight for the right, or . . . .?

Cordially,
S&S

 

[There and back again]

Just kicking up a thread here, as I watch history working its way out here in the West and am feeling fairly glum about the way things are going. I also wonder if this is just some inevitable march from representative government to dictatorship/empire. I am thinking, in particular, about the transition from the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire. To quote good ol' Wikipedia: "the Roman Republic is generally considered one of the earliest examples of representative democracy." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic). And yet, it was not a peaceful period:

"Unlike the Pax Romana of the Roman Empire, the Republic was in a state of quasi-perpetual war throughout its existence. Its first enemies were its Latin and Etruscan neighbours as well as the Gauls, who even sacked the city in 387 BC. The Republic nonetheless demonstrated extreme resilience and always managed to overcome its losses . . ."

However, "the center could not hold." It was not ultimately foreign enemies, but civil war based in class warfare that brought about the end of political equality and representative government:

"At home, the Republic similarly experienced a long streak of social and political crises, which ended in several violent civil wars. At first, the Conflict of Orders opposed the patricians, the closed oligarchic elite, to the far more numerous plebs, who finally achieved political equality in several steps during the 4th century BC. Later, the vast conquests of the Republic disrupted its society, as the immense influx of slaves they brought enriched the aristocracy, but ruined the peasantry and urban workers."

The modern parallels are fairly obvious. I'll spare you the tales of destroyed reformers and civil wars that finally led up to the founding of the imperium. Needless to say, the aristos/elites won. This is not a given, as the French and Russian revolutions show. In either case, as Mark Twain is reputed to have said, “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.” I think we are in one of those times.

So, back to the question this thread began with: How vested should we be? We are just passing through. Should we just let it go or throw our heart and soul into trying to save what is under attack? Likewise, where would you or could you go?

The "West" has had a pretty good run, and representative government + human rights have once again reached a high point compared to prior eras, but can it continue? Is the cycle of history rotating once again back towards what seems to be its default position? If you haven't read about the social credit system put into place in China you should do so. You might also want to brush up on your George Orwell and 1984. The surveillance society is already here and can easily become even more pervasive as well as non-optional. Dictatorship can come in many forms, but it always seems to be ready to swallow us all. What will happen in this era will be far more technologically based, and the technology and power to do so currently exists.

Indeed, where could you go, not just in this lifetime, but in another? Another thread asks why people choose to incarnate in "bad" places. The question here is: Could we come to a time where there are no longer any "good" places to incarnate? Is it our duty to fight for the right, or . . . .?

Cordially,
S&S

This has been a common theme going back a lot further and it usually meant that it was the end of the line though sometimes the affected nation or civilization survived and was able to recover however I don't have high hopes of this current civilization surviving at this point as there is just far too many problems. All in all it won't take long this time around given how quickly things happen in society today.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi TABA,

Well, if Rome is any indication, it will not be a question of the survival of the civilization, but of the survival of representative government (and the expanded view of human rights that currently accompanies such government). The western half of the Roman empire survived for centuries after the first Caesar, and the Eastern half survived until it was finally crushed by the Ottoman Turks approx. a millennium later. It is what (I at least) would refer to as the "egalitarian ideal" that could be lost, plus the human rights that come with that ideal, especially those that give the right to criticize "our betters", especially those that govern us. The pay-off in those days came with a degree of peace and security, plus "bread and circuses". All guaranteed, as long as "you keep your head down and know your place." I can easily see those same principles governing a very oppressive future with social credit and debit systems and omnipresent surveillance guaranteeing that we all remained "grateful," and "good citizens". In the latter category, oppressive regimes never fail to emphasize the necessity of betraying your neighbors (and relatives) if they get out of line. After all, Big Brother can't be everywhere. We have to be counted on to pitch in where needed--or face the consequences.

Cordially,
S&S

 

[There and back again]

Hi TABA,

Well, if Rome is any indication, it will not be a question of the survival of the civilization, but of the survival of representative government (and the expanded view of human rights that currently accompanies such government). The western half of the Roman empire survived for centuries after the first Caesar, and the Eastern half survived until it was finally crushed by the Ottoman Turks approx. a millennia later. It is what (I at least) would refer to as the "egalitarian ideal" that could be lost, plus the human rights that come with that ideal, especially those that give the right to criticize "our betters", especially those that govern us. The pay-off in those days came with a degree of peace and security, plus "bread and circuses". All guaranteed, as long as "you keep your head down and know your place." I can easily see those same principles governing a very oppressive future with social credit and debit systems and omnipresent surveillance guaranteeing that we all remained "grateful," and "good citizens". In the latter category, oppressive regimes never fail to emphasize the necessity of betraying your neighbors (and relatives) if they get out of line. After all, Big Brother can't be everywhere. We have to be counted on to pitch in where needed--or face the consequences.

Cordially,
S&S

I will say that it won't be like last time as there is a lot of people who are more than willing to fight this and there is more going on than what is being reported in the MSM. There is a lot bouncing around online right now that something is going on with the military that norad ect was activated a day or so ago.

 

[SeaAndSky]

Hi TABA:

I don't think it is quite that close yet, but I could be wrong. The effort to control information and ban and suppress all conflicting viewpoints (and those that express them) is coming along nicely, but will need to become far more intense and extensive. Finance, media and internet barons are all in line, but in order to be fully comprehensive, legislation and enforcement will be required. Things are headed that way, with the legislative and executive branches moving into alignment. But even with that in place, the process could be slow if done in accordance with the constitution. However, declare a national emergency, and all kinds of things become possible in the short range, with legislation to follow in due course. Covid remains a "go-to" for use when needed.

But, I'm surely just allowing my paranoia to speak at this point. Surely nothing of that type could happen here !

Cordially,
S&S

PS--There is nothing more entertaining to watch than a well-orchestrated show!
PPS--This post is, of course, merely my lame attempt at sarcasm. It should, in no way or manner, be considered to be a serious observation on serious matters. The idea is laughable!

 

[There and back again]

Hi TABA:

I don't think it is quite that close yet, but I could be wrong. The effort to control information and ban and suppress all conflicting viewpoints (and those that express them) is coming along nicely, but will need to become far more intense and extensive. Finance, media and internet barons are all in line, but in order to be fully comprehensive, legislation and enforcement will be required. Things are headed that way, with the legislative and executive branches moving into alignment. But even with that in place, the process could be slow if done in accordance with the constitution. However, declare a national emergency, and all kinds of things become possible in the short range, with legislation to follow in due course. Covid remains a "go-to" for use when needed.

But, I'm surely just allowing my paranoia to speak at this point. Surely nothing of that type could happen here !

Cordially,
S&S

PS--There is nothing more entertaining to watch than a well-orchestrated show!
PPS--This post is, of course, merely my lame attempt at sarcasm. It should, in no way or manner, be considered to be a serious observation on serious matters. The idea is laughable!

We'll see as all we can do at this point is sit and wait but anyway it would be a nice gift to humanity should these oligarchs get some lengthy prison sentences, night before last they tried to sell GE to China and that got stopped thankfully.