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Hi Ken,

Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with your conclusions about Kaye.

Hi Kaye,

I hope that I will not give offense in what I am about to say, but I will say it anyway. I think you need to get busy writing everything down. You have received revelations. Those who received revelations in the past wrote them down. Some of those revelations became Scripture, some became the inspired writings of the great saints, mystics and luminaries who were directly illuminated and given visions by divine agency. One of the reasons that Catharism died is that there was no real record left by the Cathars—only that left by their enemies to defame Catharism and justify and extol its enemies and the crusade/inquisition its enemies used to destroy the Cathars and Catharism.

It is said that those two or four who were let down over the wall of Montsegur escaped with a great treasure--books of the teachings of the Catharism. Indeed, except for the legend that they might have carried with them the Holy Grail, there is little possibility that this treasure could be anything else. Men rappelling down sheer heights and clambering down mountainsides while trying to escape a surrounding army do not carry great chests of extremely heavy gold. However, whatever they took has never been found. If it was books, it is almost certain that they have disintegrated after 700+ years. Southern France does not have the kind of arid conditions that preserve ancient texts for hundreds of years.

But there are other options. All time is one. And I would add to that—All time is one, to the soul/spirit. The teachers that wrote or taught these secrets still exist and are just as capable now (and perhaps even more capable now) of providing them for the benefit of the world. Likewise, the God of all is just as accessible and omniscient now as then. They have provided an initial course of instruction to you. Don’t you think you should show good faith by recording that month of revelations and everything that has been revealed since? Likewise, you were present 700+ years ago just as much as you are present now. Much can be accessed in your own extended memory as an enduring soul/spirit--if you can learn how to open that door.

If you are worried about typing, you may want to try some of the good dictation software that is now available. That would allow for a dictated text with follow-up editing and additions. Anyhow, isn’t this the next step in becoming and living as a perfecta again? You have started out on the path of renunciation and inward growth, but the Perfect were known not only for their simplicity of life, insights and goodness. They were also teachers and healers. How and what will you teach, and how will you convey what you have been shown to others? How will you prepare to do so? I am just making suggestions, and the means will be yours to determine (unless those at higher levels provide additional guidance on the matter). Either way, though you may cherish and seek to recall even more memories from your time and instruction with Rixende, you should probably be asking yourself: Who will take her place if not me and others like me? Perhaps you need to start envisioning yourself giving private instruction to a small group--mixed or unmixed, or perhaps sharing with a larger group. Also, you may wish to stay open to the possibility that there are others like you who are being prepared. It has been my hope that this board might serve as a place to make such contacts.

Meanwhile, it seems like there is much to do. To be a Perfecta is to be a missionary in the world, an emissary representing a higher realm who seeks to show lost souls the way home. Preparing for this will take a lot of work.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Your thought that you might die early is true, but only in the sense that to become something new we must die to what we used to be. You seem to be doing both.

PPS--Yes, I do have a lot of nerve, but only when I think its important. I think what you represent is something very important.
 
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SeaAndSky said:
Hi Ken,

Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with your conclusions about Kaye.

Hi Kaye,

I hope that I will not give offense in what I am about to say, but I will say it anyway. I think you need to get busy writing everything down. You have received revelations. Those who received revelations in the past wrote them down. Some of those revelations became Scripture, some became the inspired writings of the great saints, mystics and luminaries who were directly illuminated and given visions by divine agency. One of the reasons that Catharism died is that there was no real record left by the Cathars—only that left by their enemies to defame Catharism and justify and extol its enemies and the crusade/inquisition its enemies used to destroy the Cathars and Catharism.

It is said that those two or four who were let down over the wall of Montsegur escaped with a great treasure--books of the teachings of the Catharism. Indeed, except for the legend that they might have carried with them the Holy Grail, there is little possibility that this treasure could be anything else. Men rappelling down sheer heights and clambering down mountainsides while trying to escape a surrounding army do not carry great chests of extremely heavy gold. However, whatever they took has never been found. If it was books, it is almost certain that they have disintegrated after 700+ years. Southern France does not have the kind of arid conditions that preserve ancient texts for hundreds of years.

But there are other options. All time is one. And I would add to that—All time is one, to the soul/spirit. The teachers that wrote or taught these secrets still exist and are just as capable now (and perhaps even more capable now) of providing them for the benefit of the world. Likewise, the God of all is just as accessible and omniscient now as then. They have provided an initial course of instruction to you. Don’t you think you should show good faith by recording that month of revelations and everything that has been revealed since? Likewise, you were present 700+ years ago just as much as you are present now. Much can be accessed in your own extended memory as an enduring soul/spirit--if you can learn how to open that door.

If you are worried about typing, you may want to try some of the good dictation software that is now available. That would allow for a dictated text with follow-up editing and additions. Anyhow, isn’t this the next step in becoming and living as a perfecta again? You have started out on the path of renunciation and inward growth, but the Perfect were known not only for their simplicity of life, insights and goodness. They were also teachers and healers. How and what will you teach, and how will you convey what you have been shown to others? How will you prepare to do so? I am just making suggestions, and the means will be yours to determine (unless those at higher levels provide additional guidance on the matter). Either way, though you may cherish and seek to recall even more memories from your time and instruction with Rixende, you should probably be asking yourself: Who will take her place if not me and others like me? Perhaps you need to start envisioning yourself giving private instruction to a small group--mixed or unmixed, or perhaps sharing with a larger group. Also, you may wish to stay open to the possibility that there are others like you who are being prepared. It has been my hope that this board might serve as a place to make such contacts.

Meanwhile, it seems like there is much to do. To be a Perfecta is to be a missionary in the world, an emissary representing a higher realm who seeks to show lost souls the way home. Preparing for this will take a lot of work.

Cordially,
S&S

PS--Your thought that you might die early is true, but only in the sense that to become something new we must die to what we used to be. You seem to be doing both.

PPS--Yes, I do have a lot of nerve, but only when I think its important. I think what you represent is something very important.
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I know you are right, at my core I do. Its just that until now, and with the amazing wisdom this group provided, I kept things to myself. So many things came together in that regression and their presence is described as a 'reclaiming'. I am not sure why I put up such a roadblock not understanding that concept of time. Until you see that so plainly revealed here. Then its obvious and with such truth that just by regressions you are in 2 periods of time at once. I am not sure why what is most obvious is the hardest to see. The collective wisdom of this group has blown me away. The cathar women I was with, I can hardly explain how utterly extraordinary their simplicity was. And the profound understanding of their place within the blend of light through light returning to light. To be able to be carried through your life by that. There was great emphasis on not focusing on your surroundings when burning. I am told over and over in that scene to not look at it or I will lose my direction. You were supposed to focus intensely inward and allow yourself to pass over. But to not look back at your body burnt, to not engage with looking around you which must have been horrific seeing people you loved burning. In that moment of death which was called transitioning, they said their whole life had been in preparation for this. All moments had led to this moment, that this was to be viewed as it must take place. And that dying this way, through orange light (fire) allowed their light to be fluid in the transition. Very odd speech in that tape, it was weird, instead of saying oh we are going to die, it wad there is not another day, I dont see a tomorrow. Instead of saying they were led into an area and burnt at Montsegur, it was gathered without a destination. And there was not another day. Do you know how I describe her in that moment of transition where she is burning? Radiant, I say over and over she was radiant. Ans that I wanted to transition with her. The golden light the soul gave off st the miment of transition and right before is described if the light had an emotion it would be kindness. After death, their concern for people living here now was pretty humbling. They did not understand the 'moment of now', that they saw life here now as too busy and that our surroundings at this pace was fracturing us. They said they had a sympathy and a sorrow for what we have around us now, the stresses if niw but that hardships in life must be endured. To endure what you must as we did, then you steo into forever and forever was simply forever. Alsi that everyone currently alive now had chisen to be here now. Its viewed as a soul choice and its important to understand we are here now by choice. There was a lament that these times did not have serenity. The sheer caring for us now, it was unbelievable. Like silent witnesses to humanity. They said that moment of the four if us transitioning had imprinted on us and they retained that moment thete, that the joining if soul light had followed them. They were emphatic I needed to understand they were close to me now and that I could access it now if I tried. The part that makes me emotional is when its realized by me in the regression that the times I have been without hope they were in front of me, drawn into my space. It was defined that they were welcoming me, reclaiming me. Described as reclaiming me. They said my decision to turn to a celibate path made them really pleased because I had chosen it and brought it with me. That I did not forget. That they care that much for those of us struggling through life in a very destructive period of time, just mind blowing. There was zero resentment towards the people who burned us, they said it was part of our oath and we see it as such. Its described as extinguished and freed, fainter and freed and that their light passing through in that manner, was veiwed as fluid. To be so focused on where they were going that it blotted out burning, just incredible women. She was radiant burning in silence, I say I am moved by her strength. Part of me feels like I must be a disappointment to them now and yet they bother to love me even now. To love me even now, it is so hard to undetstand the depth of that. To care for all of us now at that level. Its like they are silent observers of humanity. Very emotional concept.
 
Part of our path, not oath. Please let me be born again with long slender fingers with normal joints who can type without 40 errors.
 
Hi Kaye,

I've read your posts and I really do respect you. So please don't be offended. I already mentioned that my own vision of spirituality is totally opposite to that of the Cathars, mainly because of their strong duality and some other reasons as well. Won't mention them now, because that would seem like a lot of criticism and that not my purpose.
I just wonder why you would consider being part of a revival of an old belief system? I know it is impressive to receive old teachings (I've also have had a similar opportunity, not is such detail as you, but still special) but they were from the past. In my opinion, it is important that every new generation and new era reinvents their own set of values. Of course, we always build on the foundational bricks from the past but why would we repeat the past?
How do you see this from your perspective?

About Time and the notion that Time doesn't exist. Think of it like looking through a magnifying glass. It's about where your attention goes to. When you focus, you are there, when you focus, you get all the information you want or need. If you don't focus, there is 'nothing'.
When we are here, living our Earthly lives, we do have time in a chronological order, that's the law of matter. Time is just action and reaction of the matter. The change of all the matter in motion we call Time. Matter is just dense energy. As soon as you've left the realms of matter, you step out of Time. There you can choose to perceive and receive whatever you want in whatever order. You can merge with concepts in order to 'understand' or you can 'enlighten' yourself within a nanosecond. Instantly.

To me personally, it is fun to realize the concept of Time and no Time, but still willingly choose to experience the basic principles of being alive in a World that is not perfect, never will be perfect because it was not meant to be perfect. Just being human (with amnesia) has its charms :p
 
Kaye, I find your account somehow very moving. I think it relates to my own life, my own experience, for example when you mention simplicity and serenity. There are other parts too, I've occasionally had contact with deceased relatives and friends. But much much more commonly, I have dialogue with some unseen being or beings, often emphasising love, and giving reassurance. These things often in quiet moments, just for example when on a staircase or walking from one room to another, in these moments I'm not actively doing something else, my mind is empty and I find these contacts.

I don't want to paint myself as someone who hears voices, there are aspects of what I wrote which might sound like borderline mental illness. But it is the opposite, it is a state of well-being. The point is not that anything intrudes into my being, rather that I calm myself sufficiently that I may hear a silent voice in the stillness. Then there is the sense of caring, of being cared for.

By the way, with regard to typos or errors such as oath/path, I'm not sure if you realise that you can click the edit button underneath your own post, and go back to correct the text if you later notice something that needs to be fixed.
 
Speedwell and Kaye,

Hearing voices is ok as long as you are conscious about what is happening. Sometimes it's just an inner voice of intuition, sometimes it is input from outside. I have been lucky in my life to be able to have conversations of interest. Sometimes in words, mostly it was transferring concepts or receiving 'downloads of information'.
I also recognize Kaye's process but without the strongly defined views. In my case, it was about shamanism. I was on a path that I realized I was able to use shamanic tools without ever haven't learned them. A process I hardly ever talk about. At a certain moment I 'was asked' if I wanted to pursue this path in my current life (with help from spirits) and after a period of consideration, I declined the offer. This sounds crazy for someone who is not used to communicate to spirits from an unseen world (one of the reasons I never talk about it) but to me, it was as real as normal life. My reason was that I wanted to move on in these modern times and close that past. That was my personal decision and the reason why I ask Kaye for her perspective on this matter (and trying to strip this question from any judging because our background is so different).
 
fireflydancing said:
Speedwell and Kaye,

I totally get that, what both of you said . For me there was never any other decision except stepping into this life. Never another choice. I was pulled back into it in a really dramatic way that was really uprooting. Iy was borderline traumatic. It wad being pulled into it, like having to face it. Really odd, it felt like stepping into myself. A lot of crying because there was not another path for me and no going back. It left me in a real dilemma because what now? What on earth do you do now, and where does that fit. The pull was incredible, like being yanked back. There were signs though but did not know they were signs. It was very isolating because I knew I was being pulled back, but to what? I got regressed over a year after I had already chosen that path. Was not because of regression, I had already made the change. Of the cathar groups I tried to find later, all were new catharism, not old. To me, there was never a choice, it simply was. So you have to have firm resolve about your choice, it has to be the path you choose, not influenced by anything. I figure I must have unfinished business or this would have been a modified path. I work in IT, and its really odd to come out as a cathar in that setting. But its like a vocation, I felt like I had stepped into my authentic self. There wete always signs in my oil paintings and poems. I knew something was yanking at me. A lot of people feel pushed away by the dualism, but I see it differently. In those times when the Inquisition was in place, the life was one of extremes. Where now you may face religious differences, then you were burned. So the imagery was one of extremes. What I carry now is definitely seeing the world of earth and spirit as different, but the opposing force now are what we are experiencing around us now. Sometimes I cant even watch the news, fires, earthquakes, tornadod, hurricaines, school shootings, people blowing themselves up in a crowd, the catholic priests long history of sexual abuse, hate and intollerance in elected officials, KKK and I think, is there a wave of a destructive influence here now? I dont believe in satan, I dont believe in the concept of rooting everything to a cause.. but is there some wave of destruction here, some spiral, yes. The concept of the good god, that is the inner spark of the soul, the inner connection to spirit, what is the spark of life, wherever that origin began. What comes before what was before? If there is not a beginning, then how can something follow. What if whatever that spark is, just was? What if that concept goes back to light or energy? So the black and white concepts become something else entirely when you look into it and past borders that define. There is something eternal in us, a flame without form. Something that may be referred to differently by different names, but it references that same source. The decision for a cathar life now resides there. A choice to recognize that, to feel it, touch it and make the choice to live within that higher pull. Stepping into your higher self by choice, its like a link from a golden chain. To really decide that this is possible and can be attained by self review, understanding where you flop down you somehow recenter and begin again and its like taking nothing for granted. Inward, inward, inward, in the hopes something inside of you is at rest by the process. By understanding something linear still connects to the past. Its only the past or outdated by perception. Different people may pursue by a different road. I will say though, whatever path someone may take, when you walk through the door meant for you, the inside of you becomes still. Its a softness and a stillness that you have found home. In a vast night without end, in the some place in a circle that goes round and round with many doors to have chosen to walk through, somehow you still found home. And the inside of you becomes a really soft place.
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Oh and if you love shamanism, you must watch Uutai! She is utterly divine. Also read the book Fire in the Head. Karl Schlotterbeck regressed me, he is really into shamanism, he turned me onto her. Try to watch her with these shaman women dancing, Siberian woman, your mind will blow. Wow, those women are like feral magical creatures. Their dancing, it undulates, you have to watch them 10 times in a row. They look like they are being born from sound, or a movement, or a color. Look for them on youtube. Siberian shaman dancers and Uutai! Prepare to be enchanted.
 
Its like you cant look away. And Uutai actually sounds like she was born with some inner connection to the pulse of animal spirit. People may not get her until they realise she has stepped within the animal spirit. She does so without needing to define it, she just is incredible. Goddess energy in that one. Her core is from long ago.

 
She reminds me of some moonlit night with a freezing wind sweeping along some vast expanse and the only creatures awake are animals and their eyes glisten in the night and thier ears stand up listening to all those animals sing into the night.
 
Like a chorus which pulls your gaze up into the moon in the sky. The same sky all creatures of all times looked into and for a moment connects all things that ever were.
 
I am watching right now.

This Mari Boine, I love her. She carried over the old tradition into this world with new materials and new influences. I wished I had her talent. ;)


 
There is a beauty in woman like this, its pure glorious female connection. I am part of the womens movement, to value yourself, value other women and really see we come from that. A daughter of a daughter of a daughter. I am a p hat activist. I wish I had her talent too!
 
Hi Firefly,

All of the materials I have read on the Cathars indicate that they ranged from Dualist to Partial Dualist, the latter being a more normative Christian position. (I would also be concerned with any strictly Dualist theology--and I generally avoid true Gnosticism like the plague). However, considering the fact that most of the reports emphasizing the Dualistic aspects of Catharism came from their butchers/enemies (who wanted to paint them as heretics), I am apt to give these reports a lot less weight than I might have otherwise.

In terms of old teachings/forms vs. new, I can't give too much credence to that type of distinction myself. Truth is truth whether today or 1000 years ago. I think the Cathars may have been part of one of the purest streams of truth to appear on the planet in the last two millennia. My current thoughts/conclusions on this rest on my own study and some very strong intuition. However, I am also concerned that these tentative conclusions may rest at least in part on my very strong desire that this BE TRUE (i.e., wishful thinking). So, I really want to find out the full truth about Catharism from the only ones who know, and to know for sure. If Catharism lives up to my hopes, or even comes close, I will probably dedicate myself to this path--to the extent I can.

Cordially,
S&S
 
S & S,

Your enthusiasm sounds like you were one yourself. :)

You left that part out, it seems, but I am sure it's in your mind.
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Firefly,

All of the materials I have read on the Cathars indicate that they ranged from Dualist to Partial Dualist, the latter being a more normative Christian position. (I would also be concerned with any strictly Dualist theology--and I generally avoid true Gnosticism like the plague). However, considering the fact that most of the reports emphasizing the Dualistic aspects of Catharism came from their butchers/enemies (who wanted to paint them as heretics), I am apt to give these reports a lot less weight than I might have otherwise.

In terms of old teachings/forms vs. new, I can't give too much credence to that type of distinction myself. Truth is truth whether today or 1000 years ago. I think the Cathars may have been part of one of the purest streams of truth to appear on the planet in the last two millennia. My current thoughts/conclusions on this rest on my own study and some very strong intuition. However, I am also concerned that these tentative conclusions may rest at least in part on my very strong desire that this BE TRUE (i.e., wishful thinking). So, I really want to find out the full truth about Catharism from the only ones who know, and to know for sure. If Catharism lives up to my hopes, or even comes close, I will probably dedicate myself to this path--to the extent I can.

Cordially,
S&S
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The cathars were very threatening to the catholic church, they were supported by a lot of nobelmen and became entirely too popular. They scorned the catholic chuch for what they perceived as a false church, corrupted. They did not have reverence for the crucifix as they considered that pretty much the same as if you carried around a knife that had stabbed someone.

Also, the cathar perfects had male and female equality. Women could perform anything their male counterparts did. In the 12th and 13th centuries, how offensive would that have been? They believed as we had all been male or female by reincarnation, then therefore we were same. Only a small % were the parfait, the overwhelming cathars were believers. They also believed held Mary Magdeline in high regard and she was not the prostitute the Catholics insisted she was.

Their core beliefs were on reincarnation, in direct contrast to the catholic church. They considered a complete separation of earthly life where they felt their souls were passing through, and the other side of spirit and light. The light from other side was present inside you and the goal was to focus on that and live within those ideals. They saw sex as ending in procreation and as a result more souls became trapped in this realm. The earthly realm was seen as the realm of bodily distractions, needs, and excessive desires.

So in order to live a life connected to the light, they chose to be aesthetics and not give in to the world. In their minds, they were attaining the simplistic lige of Jesus. Jesus had Mary by his side, he appeared to her first, clearly she was of equal status as the disciples. The catholic church has always collected wealth, had been infused with sex, idolatry, etc. The life of a golden palace had nothing to do with living in the truth as they perceived it. So they embodied that simplistic made of living. Completely passive, owning nothing, chastity, equality of women, vegetarian except fish. (I have been vegetarian since 1976 as a choice, not cathar though). That purity of life, of truly loving but in the realm of heart and spirit, rather than the body. Its very important why their concept of earthy life was so extreme, they lived in times of public executions. Can you imagine how horrifying passing people on fire must have been?

Of course you weren't just rounded up, you were interrogated and tortured first. To break your spirit and force you to confess or denounce others. They would come into a town and demand the names of heretics. If a persons name was given who was dead, they would dig the corpse up and publicly burn the corpse as a heretic. These times were barbaric and the birth of any more souls who were trapped into this existence was intolerable. No one used contraceptives then and to prevent the possibility of souls being trapped here, sex was the means to be shut down.

The women I lived to express their femaleness through spirituality. I think a lot see them as too strict, hung up on this or that but reasons are behind those choices. By the defined choice to follow this path, yet be equal with men, to understand and unveil their inner light until they transitioned... it was their attempt to bring their light into a darkened world.

That energy is needed now for balance and as it was before the mass majority were cathar believers who had families. We live in trying times now. Of complete excess, of destruction of our planet and resources to open warfare on TV. Cathars are here now to try to bring some type of light back. Even as an individual flame. But again, by the loss of self and of what you give off rather than what you acquire. Simply a flame of spirit in a world that is in a spiral.
 
Here you go.. the Consolament spoken in Occitan

This is the rite given to those upon entering the level of parfait. This was also given as a believer was close to death as the soul could then enter their transition fully cathar and pure. Listen and see how it makes you feel.
 
fireflydancing said:
S & S,

Your enthusiasm sounds like you were one yourself. :)

You left that part out, it seems, but I am sure it's in your mind.
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Hi Firefly,

Possibly, maybe even probably, but not certainly. Like most of my PLs, whatever happened during this period is hidden from me. However, my own feelings in this matter certainly seem to indicate more than a small chance that this is true.

Cordially,
S&S
 
Hi Kaye,

All you have written or linked in your last few posts is accessible to the multitude at this point. And, perhaps it would even be possible to construct a body of "believers" from such information. However, without the "perfect" such "believers" would be like a body without a head and heart. I have looked over the Neo-Cathar groups. There is some sincerity there. However, at best the leaders of such groups can only fill the gap (as previously pointed out) with their own favored beliefs and New Age cliches. Consequently, there can never be a true return of Catharism without true Perfecti. There can be no true Perfecti without true instruction in the ancient teachings of Catharism, the teachings that were always claimed to go back to the Apostles themselves. And through them, to the Christ.

Cordially,
S&S
 
I felt the same about you and was hoping you would sense that as well. The cathar life finds you again, it chooses you again. You take a step and it feels familiar. Another tentative step and its the same feeling. It would not surprise me in the least if the women who have reached out to me have their quiet gaze upon you as well. There is a patience there and care for things to transpire in any way its meant to. There is something about the group synergy writing in this forum together, the 5 of us that feels healing to me.
 
When I looked at these groups I felt the same. In many areas it was clear someone's leanings had taken the lead and some of what they had sort of reminded me of Hari Krishna and had nothing to do with catharism. Or very, very little. Neo anything usually indicates revisions that reflect the times.

I saw a video of one person of a cathar group proclaiming to tourists that he was King of the Cathars.. they had no king, the very posturing of this shows how much ego can lead something astray. It is not about yourself, being famous, important, prestigious, etc. Its very easy for this dynamic to rear its head. This individual also proclaimed the virgin Mary told him that the Inquisition burned and all the cathars lived. Hmmmmm about that.

But.. and this is important, regardless of fanciful proclamations that I have seen which feel absurd, the modern day people drawn to that are trying to make a difference. That is whats important, not the structure. It is to identify the flame within you and cultivate that so the promise of that potential is realized.
 
Cathars are all over, so many are alive now. Catharism is alive now is multiple countries. The people from then are here now. S&S, remember if that includes you too, and I am sure it does, we have to be able to make due with what we have available now and still walk our path. The challenge is not to be deterred by things we cannot help, such as anyone who can provide the consolament and then let that become a wall. A structure does not define, its our calling and our intent and our gestures that will connect all of us. Its meant to. And somehow it just will.
 
Altisima Maria, so much internal joy pours out of that song. I wish 1000 cathars were singing that around the planet at the same time. It feels that happiness comes our of my chest when I hear that. Ok, off to take care of my old man bunny Alarec, I must attend to my handmaiden duties taking care of his person!
 
Hi Kaye,

We have 4 Dutch rabbits left from the days when our youngest daughter raised and showed them for 4-H. I feel a bit sorry for them. But show days at the local fairs are over and our daughter has grown up and started college. At this point, their lives have become a bit monotonous. However, it is better than the alternative that would usually be chosen for them in farm country.;)

Cordially,
S&S
 
SeaAndSky said:
Hi Kaye,

We have 4 Dutch rabbits left from the days when our youngest daughter raised and showed them for 4-H. I feel a bit sorry for them. But show days at the local fairs are over and our daughter has grown up and started college. At this point, their lives have become a bit monotonous. However, it is better than the alternative that would usually be chosen for them in farm country.;)

Cordially,
S&S
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