Historian’s impressions on your PL’s?

Curious again about this...

How do you feel about historians portraying or making predictions about how you were in your PL’s? And in particular, for those who have had any sort of War PL (US Civil/Revolutionary, WWI/WWII, Korea, Vietnam etc) how do you feel when something you read is wrong and you know is different?

Or those of us who have had PL’s in Ancient times (Egypt, Greece and others) how do you deal with people saying you were one thing but you remember being something different? How do you find validation?

Eva x

As always history or what passes for history is mostly half truths and sometimes outright lies so one has to comes to terms finding their own truth, most are not going to share the full extent of their PLs so in a public sense it doesn't matter much unless one is particularly sensitive about a FPL. On a personal level I really don't care anymore as I just want to get through this one wanting a better round next time, people will look back at our current era much the same as we do the fall of Babylon and Rome.

Eva1942 said:

Curious again about this...

How do you feel about historians portraying or making predictions about how you were in your PL’s? And in particular, for those who have had any sort of War PL (US Civil/Revolutionary, WWI/WWII, Korea, Vietnam etc) how do you feel when something you read is wrong and you know is different?

Or those of us who have had PL’s in Ancient times (Egypt, Greece and others) how do you deal with people saying you were one thing but you remember being something different? How do you find validation?

Eva x

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There are numerous articles and some documentaries made about one of my past lives,and everytime I read an article that contains a lie or hear a historian talk about me as if I'm a joke I can't help but sit there fumming with anger.But of course I can't do anything about it lol.I can't just go up to them and tell them that they should stop spreading lies,nor do I think most of them believe in LP's and reincarnation.They probably don't even think I'm still here in a way.Probably the worst part is that most of the time they get pretty personal and start talking about stuff like relations I had particularly in that life.

It wouldn't hurt to send them a note describing the correction, it might get them to take action or tweak their interest in investigation as well as giving you an outlet for your energy.

I just have to laugh at some of them. The way they imagine my relationships with those I connected with back then are quite comically sweet, almost like bumbling buffoons falling head-over-heels! Harry professing his love in a grand sweeping statement that basically follows the rhetoric of "Too Marvellous for Words"; it makes me wonder, if they listened to the song for inspiration.

And, I just roll my eyes at all the rest. Allow them a little fantasy, a little creative licence, as long as they don't defame you in any way.

Historians I can handle. Like Yvette I find some of the stuff amusing.

Its politicians and media putting words in my pls mouth I don't like.

Here's a quote from the Independent newspaper:

"Barbara Scully: 'Collins never imagined a garda in a hijab - but he'd have approved


Well, well, well, what have we here? An Garda Síochána being quietly and determinedly progressive by announcing that, in order to attract new recruits from ethnic communities, it will soon be allowing specially designed hijabs and turbans to be worn by gardaí.

I doubt Michael Collins gave much thought to accommodating the religious requirements of Muslims and Sikhs when the force was founded, following the disbandment of the RIC after the War of Independence and Civil War, less than 100 ago. It's a vivid illustration of just how far this little country has come since gaining its freedom.

When I began to travel abroad, I often remarked on how foreign police forces were, well somehow more cosmopolitan, their uniforms trendier than our lads back home, who were, in my teenage mind, usually big country fellas with large feet and who had difficulty pronouncing 'vehicle'. Even the 'ban gardaí', who were invented in 1959, didn't add much cachet to the force, as they were largely an invisible sub-species of guard until the 1980's."

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They say my past self would approve of accommodating variations in uniform whereas I've always said "Look up the word uniform in the dictionary."

I read crap like this all the time.

yvettebruneau said:

I just have to laugh at some of them. The way they imagine my relationships with those I connected with back then are quite comically sweet, almost like bumbling buffoons falling head-over-heels! Harry professing his love in a grand sweeping statement that basically follows the rhetoric of "Too Marvellous for Words"; it makes me wonder, if they listened to the song for inspiration.

And, I just roll my eyes at all the rest. Allow them a little fantasy, a little creative licence, as long as they don't defame you in any way.

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In a documentary made about me in 1999 they described me as childish,not having any sort of idea of an adult relationship,and many more untrue things. Never wanted to slap someone in the face as bad when watching that documentary.

Vogue_1983. said:

In a documentary made about me in 1999 they described me as childish,not having any sort of idea of an adult relationship,and many more untrue things. Never wanted to slap someone in the face as bad when watching that documentary.

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That's why I said 'as long as they don't defame you in any way'. If they do that, then you've every right to be peed-off. The only 'controversy' I've suffered, with the one PL I've identified, is some biographer turning a former companion's words into utter fantasy. There was total uproar about it, but it wasn't directly misquoting me. So, I let it slide.

I don't know if there are any other past lives of mine, where my former self has been misrepresented and/or slandered in media or historical accounts. I'm still stuck on the WWII life.

Wow! So many replies..

This happened again today when I was in the library. Out of curiosity, I thought I'd take a look at a book I had not seen in the library before. Oh man did they get things horribly wrong ..

There and back again said:

As always history or what passes for history is mostly half truths and sometimes outright lies so one has to comes to terms finding their own truth, most are not going to share the full extent of their PLs so in a public sense it doesn't matter much unless one is particularly sensitive about a FPL. On a personal level I really don't care anymore as I just want to get through this one wanting a better round next time, people will look back at our current era much the same as we do the fall of Babylon and Rome.

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You are so very on point. Since discovering my past lives especially the ones of me and my soulmate in Third Reich Germany, I have learned to look upon my truth as being the truth and the other views, representations of others are merely opinions. Funny because what I have read - some truly are outright lies.

I used to be sensitive, but now I just don't care. I know the truth and that's all that matters to me.

Vogue_1983. said:

There are numerous articles and some documentaries made about one of my past lives,and everytime I read an article that contains a lie or hear a historian talk about me as if I'm a joke I can't help but sit there fumming with anger.But of course I can't do anything about it lol.I can't just go up to them and tell them that they should stop spreading lies,nor do I think most of them believe in LP's and reincarnation.They probably don't even think I'm still here in a way.Probably the worst part is that most of the time they get pretty personal and start talking about stuff like relations I had particularly in that life.

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Oy vey... Yes indeed I agree with you. Some historians get pretty personal, I spoke to a historian once who was getting quite in depth about one of my PL's (Didn't tell them they were talking to the reincarnation of my PL). Me and my friends joke and say " Soon they will discover what colour underwear I wore!" I used to get furiously angry what they said, but now I have realised that hey, if they want to ruin their reputation as a war historian with lies and untruths then who am I to stop them?!

KenJ said:

It wouldn't hurt to send them a note describing the correction, it might get them to take action or tweak their interest in investigation as well as giving you an outlet for your energy.

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Ken, if I did that then things would get weird.. Very weird indeed

yvettebruneau said:

I just have to laugh at some of them. The way they imagine my relationships with those I connected with back then are quite comically sweet, almost like bumbling buffoons falling head-over-heels! Harry professing his love in a grand sweeping statement that basically follows the rhetoric of "Too Marvellous for Words"; it makes me wonder, if they listened to the song for inspiration.

And, I just roll my eyes at all the rest. Allow them a little fantasy, a little creative licence, as long as they don't defame you in any way.

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I have learned to laugh. I once bought a book just for the sake of laughing at how bad they wrote about us! It was actually quite amusing and it sits on my bookshelf now to prove to myself that it does not matter what others think of us! This book, I definitely think that they let their fantasy run away!

The others, I just roll my eyes at and throw it back on the shelf. I have been known to snort quietly with laughter while standing in front of the Third Reich section of the bookshop.

Jim78 said:

Historians I can handle. Like Yvette I find some of the stuff amusing.

Its politicians and media putting words in my pls mouth I don't like.
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I read crap like this all the time.

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The media has vilified us so much, I don't even think they know what is truth anymore. All these wild different stories I read and I'm like.. " That's so far from the truth and you know it...."

Yup, I read crap like this all the time too...

Vogue_1983. said:

In a documentary made about me in 1999 they described me as childish,not having any sort of idea of an adult relationship,and many more untrue things. Never wanted to slap someone in the face as bad when watching that documentary.

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!! Oy gevalt!! Are you serious? I've wanted to slap people in the face for getting simple things wrong, but that is bad! I work off the principal " Once words are spoken, they cannot be recalled. That they hurt and sting, and like the words, the hurt and sting are forever attached to the words that are spoken".

yvettebruneau said:

That's why I said 'as long as they don't defame you in any way'. If they do that, then you've every right to be peed-off. The only 'controversy' I've suffered, with the one PL I've identified, is some biographer turning a former companion's words into utter fantasy. There was total uproar about it, but it wasn't directly misquoting me. So, I let it slide.

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Yeah, but what can we do about it in this lifetime? Nothing. Well we could write a book and pass it off as historical fiction ( I have done this twice, used my PL memories as a basis for storylines). They think we died all long ago and never came back. That we don't see what they have written or still continue to write about us, but WE DO.

It's not like you can send them a message and say: " Hey.. stop slandering me (my PL) or I'll sue you for defamination " Could you imagine that if someone received a email like that?

Eva x

Yeah, but what can we do about it in this lifetime? Nothing. Well we could write a book and pass it off as historical fiction ( I have done this twice, used my PL memories as a basis for storylines). They think we died all long ago and never came back. That we don't see what they have written or still continue to write about us, but WE DO.

It's not like you can send them a message and say: " Hey.. stop slandering me (my PL) or I'll sue you for defamination " Could you imagine that if someone received a email like that?

Eva x

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I relate so much to this.I actually have been thinking to myself like that after watching a documentary or reading an article.This morning I was crying again because I thought it would be a splendid idea to Google the location where I died (so in the end I could conclude it was not a splendid idea at all.)But after reading this I feel a little bit better bc I'ts nice to know that there are people out here who are going through the same struggles and that I'm not the only one who has to helplessly watch how other people keep slandering me on the internet.Or people who say they hate me even though I've never even met them nor know them personally lol.

Vogue_1983. said:

I relate so much to this.I actually have been thinking to myself like that after watching a documentary or reading an article.This morning I was crying again because I thought it would be a splendid idea to Google the location where I died (so in the end I could conclude it was not a splendid idea at all.)But after reading this I feel a little bit better bc I'ts nice to know that there are people out here who are going through the same struggles and that I'm not the only one who has to helplessly watch how other people keep slandering me on the internet.Or people who say they hate me even though I've never even met them nor know them personally lol.

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Yeah I used to think it was a splendid idea to research Operation Anthropoid. Would leave me in tears and in a blue funk for HOURS ... Then I realised there is a time and a place to explore such things. It has taken me three and a half years to read things I couldn’t do only just this last year. So proud of myself

Hate is such a strong word. There are people who think that my love was one of the ‘most evil henchmen’ of Hitler’s SS, yet that is not the case. I just let them think what they wanna think..

As for me? Yeah, I’m portrayed in the documentaries and all that $hit too... After all, I’m the girl who ‘apparently’ put him in the SS... That is NOT true of course. It was my Admiral Papa who did it out of love for his daughter.

Eva x

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Yeah I used to think it was a splendid idea to research Operation Anthropoid. Would leave me in tears and in a blue funk for HOURS ... Then I realised there is a time and a place to explore such things. It has taken me three and a half years to read things I couldn’t do only just this last year. So proud of myself

Hate is such a strong word. There are people who think that my love was one of the ‘most evil henchmen’ of Hitler’s SS, yet that is not the case. I just let them think what they wanna think..

As for me? Yeah, I’m portrayed in the documentaries and all that $hit too... After all, I’m the girl who ‘apparently’ put him in the SS... That is NOT true of course. It was my Admiral Papa who did it out of love for his daughter.

Eva x

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I googled it and yeah,that's indeed quite painful to watch in your case there is also a movie made about it btw.I'ts just so weird to me how historians keep portraying us as absurd inhumane monsters.I'ts like they can find "faults" in every single thing done or said.But I guess that's done for the sake of attracting viewers lol.In my case people seem to not know what they want to label me as.And most of these debats are about my appearance.(because ofc they have nothing better to do )Some say I was ugly and obese (wich is NOT true I was far from it.idk where people get this from)but hey,marylin Monroe has also been called fat,so I'm not alone in that lol.Then out of the sudden I'm considered an "English rose" and an "extraordinary" beautiful woman.Like Karen,can you please decide????

Vogue_1983. said:

I googled it and yeah,that's indeed quite painful to watch in your case there is also a movie made about it btw.

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Yup I know. After years of saying I was never going to own a copy of the movie, I do. Tried to watch it twice, and the second time, I made it all the way through then bawled my eyes out

Vogue_1983. said:

In my case people seem to not know what they want to label me as.And most of these debats are about my appearance.(because ofc they have nothing better to do )Some say I was ugly and obese (wich is NOT true I was far from it.idk where people get this from)but hey,marylin Monroe has also been called fat,so I'm not alone in that lol.Then out of the sudden I'm considered an "English rose" and an "extraordinary" beautiful woman.Like Karen,can you please decide????

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Much like they say my first husband was like in Ancient Egypt. The Pharaoh. They said he was ugly and obese, but he wasn’t all that bad because in that lifetime, my uncle sent my aunt to be married to the same Pharaoh too. I remember he was kind and gentle.

Have you ever found pictures of yourself?

Eva x

Eva1942 said:

Yup I know. After years of saying I was never going to own a copy of the movie, I do. Tried to watch it twice, and the second time, I made it all the way through then bawled my eyes out



Much like they say my first husband was like in Ancient Egypt. The Pharaoh. They said he was ugly and obese, but he wasn’t all that bad because in that lifetime, my uncle sent my aunt to be married to the same Pharaoh too. I remember he was kind and gentle.

Have you ever found pictures of yourself?

Eva x

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There are a tons of em out there,so yeah I have. Nowadays I would've been considered normal,but in the 1930s beauty standards where a bit different ofc.But still,I wasn't considered fat or obese even back then.

Vogue_1983. said:

There are a tons of em out there,so yeah I have. Nowadays I would've been considered normal,but in the 1930s beauty standards where a bit different ofc.But still,I wasn't considered fat or obese even back then.

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And same here.I constantly tell myself not to read that book or an article or to not watch that movie,but in the end curiosity gets the best of me and I can't help but just click on it.Wich in the ends results in me bawling my eyes out and wondering how I could be so stupid to click on it, knowing it would hurt my feelings again

Vogue_1983. said:

And same here.I constantly tell myself not to read that book or an article or to not watch that movie,but in the end curiosity gets the best of me and I can't help but just click on it.Wich in the ends results in me bawling my eyes out and wondering how I could be so stupid to click on it, knowing it would hurt my feelings again

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Yeah, I have those moments too. But they have become less and less because my guides ask me what purpose will it serve me? What am I going to get out of it besides the resurfacing of hurt and pain?

Now, I keep my curiousity under control a lot more than I used to. Sometimes I just say to myself “No. this is NOT going to serve me a purpose”. Or sometimes I am snorting wii laughter before I even open the book /link or whatever rubbish it is.

Historians can bring us validation, but what is it they are really trying to prove? That they know nothing except what someone else has said already?

Or in the case of archives, what we said in a time where freedom of speech was not allowed? Why yes, we were not forced to participate in the persecution of Hitler’s but if we said no, serious consequences occurred, and then can we be held responsible for what we said or did? Or is that perceiving our PL’s in whatever time period as naive?

Eva x

Vogue_1983. said:

I constantly tell myself not to read that book or an article or to not watch that movie,but in the end curiosity gets the best of me and I can't help but just click on it.Wich in the ends results in me bawling my eyes out and wondering how I could be so stupid to click on it, knowing it would hurt my feelings again

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I used to do the same with books and movies when I was younger but I've grown more cynical through time.

One thing you have to remember about movies, books, and some articles is that someone wrote/produced it to make money. The worse and more lurid they can make the "bad guys" seem and the better and more angelic they can make the good guys seem, the more money they stand to make. So making the bad guy look as bad as possible and the good guy look as good as possible becomes their focus. And many historians would also fall into this category. It just provides a distorted view of things.

AlteSeele said:

I used to do the same with books and movies when I was younger but I've grown more cynical through time.

One thing you have to remember about movies, books, and some articles is that someone wrote/produced it to make money. The worse and more lurid they can make the "bad guys" seem and the better and more angelic they can make the good guys seem, the more money they stand to make. So making the bad guy look as bad as possible and the good guy look as good as possible becomes their focus. And many historians would also fall into this category. It just provides a distorted view of things.

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I'ts just sad to realise that these "historians" most likely didn't write these books out of pure interest in that person or their life,but more so interested in the money and in spreading nasty rumors to get some attention on them after all :/t.I'll try to keep this in mind next time reading another article or watching another movie

I have had many brushes with this topic, though my experience is unique in some ways. I have here some assorted thoughts/ramblings on the subject:

I have a couple of famous lives that live on only because of myths and legends that grew out of them.

Some of these "characters" are still alive in the modern imagination, and will appear in the occasional novel or film. The majority of the population believes these figures to be mostly or entirely fictitious, so they are used and altered in any way a writer pleases. When they do foolish or incredibly incorrect things with my image, I can only roll my eyes. When they accidentally get nearer to accuracy, I get incredibly excited. Though any time I make an appearance, I am honored. I am honored because all these centuries later, people will still excitedly discuss some has-been with a sword from ages gone by. I am honored because around the time that I lived, people began telling stories about me and they still have not stopped. So when I see a fictional representation of me, I smile. The stories have been evolving for ages, my reputation whitewashed long ago. What appears now on the page or the big screen is like a spoof: it is a distorted reflection of the original which builds off of and pays homage to it. And who would not be honored to be spoofed?

Occasionally, historians will get into debates about whether or not I actually existed. I do not blame them for generally agreeing that I did not.

One lifetime had a decent amount of contemporary documentation, and it is generally assumed that I was a real person. Though some of the later legends got incredibly out-of-hand, the more original version of my life was preserved in witness testimonies, government documents, and the occasional personal belonging. Despite the evidence, a select few historians have still circulated the idea that I was a propaganda creation, arguing any evidence must be a fabrication. That does make me a bit annoyed. However, since there is a lot more historical information I can research that directly ties into that life, such as military campaigns that I led, I do enjoy spending time seeing others' reactions to my work. I tend to keep a running commentary. Often, they give me more credit than I was due, because the most common dialogue I have with a book looks similar to this: It is still unknown just what the thought process was behind this bold strategy. Just what did [Spirit Sword] know that no one else did? "HAHAHAHA! I was bullshitting that entire situation! I had no idea if it would work, I just believed that my luck would hold out."

On the other hand, I got incredibly excited when a historian was able to correctly identify who I was historically in one lifetime lost entirely to myth. He connected the legends to the exact (completely unknown) person, despite the fact that I had a different name and social situation than I am remembered with. He even correctly reverse-engineered most of my life's story using the earliest myths he could find and the rare bit of documentation. Where we ran into a bit of a problem was when he tried to reverse-engineer my personality as well: while he was able to bring me down from the flawless, white-knight reputation I have ended up with, he still believed that I was an incredibly altruistic person. I most definitely was not. In some ways, this annoys me as well.

I get tired of being made into symbol. On the one hand, I feel like the tales I generated served an important purpose; not only did my lives' stories contribute to multiple countries' literary canons, but I myself and those around me have served as symbols for a higher truths, as inspirations for right action, and as moral mile markers. The problem is that the men they have put on a pedestal were incredibly flawed. The centuries have wipes away the blemishes, and no one will ever see my past lives warts and all. Most unfortunately, the image commonly presented sets an unrealistic standard. I actually got excited when I found a portrayal of myself as a cruel antagonist: it might have gone a little too far in some ways, but it succeeded in undermining the expectations surrounding that lifetime.

The people who drive me the craziest are not the historians or the authors, but the average fans. Particularly, there is one thing that they will often say: "If [Spirit Sword] were alive today, he would act in X way, he would be in X profession, he would react in X way to such-and-such." It is like Jim's problem with the headlines putting words into his mouth, though it also invites a comparison: I am alive today, but I am never what people would expect that I am, and I will never live up to the expectations that they have for me. I should know better since I am painfully aware of the ways that my image was improved almost beyond recognition. But there is still an incredible amount of pressure to live up to the perceptions about my past, and I fear that I am a bit of a let-down.

I really hate reading anything about my first past life it’s just so embarrassing I feel like my privacy has been violated or something it’s just horrible!

Pumpkinspice said:

I really hate reading anything about my first past life it’s just so embarrassing I feel like my privacy has been violated or something it’s just horrible!

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Same here "historians" are just so shameless nowadays lol

Hi, I have mix emotions about this topic... this because I remember at one time knowing an actor in Hollywood in the 1950's. In those days the Hollywood magazines were owned by the film studios that were very powerful. There was one operating in New York that was constantly being picked at but was the only one dangerously close to the truth at times. A lot of things were smothered, though.

In my flashbacks what I read and what really happened are 2 different things. This was why I missed her (the person who's these flashbacks belonged to back then, my potential past life self) when she first appeared to me in the entertainer's biography.

For years I would use it as proof that my flashbacks were imagination, lies. But they weren't. Little by little I realize when looking more close and at different sources, different people that told traces of the truth + adding my own flashbacks that what I had read in the first place has never been the truth.

I suppose it should enrage me but I knew of this lie when I was her and I knew why it had to be told like that.

I think that is why a part of me does not take it so bad. But there is another part of me that yearns to tell the truth from my flashbacks. I think she had that yearning too but she did not dare to, under her life time.

What has recently put me at peace with this is that I remarkably enough got hold of an actor's own words describing her, their relationship and a situation to a psychiatrist in 1955. I still can't believe it is in a book for everyone to read. He thought it was safe to tell , and that it would be part of his treatment. His words tell me that my flashbacks were true and for that reason I appreciate it. However I am not sure about how I feel about confidential things being let out in the open like that.

Anyway, just wanted to share my feelings about this.

/Jaimie

AlteSeele said:

I used to do the same with books and movies when I was younger but I've grown more cynical through time.

One thing you have to remember about movies, books, and some articles is that someone wrote/produced it to make money. The worse and more lurid they can make the "bad guys" seem and the better and more angelic they can make the good guys seem, the more money they stand to make. So making the bad guy look as bad as possible and the good guy look as good as possible becomes their focus. And many historians would also fall into this category. It just provides a distorted view of things.

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Yeah I think HHhH comes into that category Don't you think so?

Spirit Sword said:

I have had many brushes with this topic, though my experience is unique in some ways. I have here some assorted thoughts/ramblings on the subject:

...So when I see a fictional representation of me, I smile. The stories have been evolving for ages, my reputation whitewashed long ago. What appears now on the page or the big screen is like a spoof: it is a distorted reflection of the original which builds off of and pays homage to it. And who would not be honored to be spoofed?...

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That is a very good question. Who would not be honoured to have been spoofed, but what happens when they incorporate a little too much fantasy into the portrayal?

Sadly, that's exactly what some things are now. Distorted reflections.

Spirit Sword said:

The people who drive me the craziest are not the historians or the authors, but the average fans. Particularly, there is one thing that they will often say: "If [Spirit Sword] were alive today, he would act in X way, he would be in X profession, he would react in X way to such-and-such." It is like Jim's problem with the headlines putting words into his mouth, though it also invites a comparison: I am alive today, but I am never what people would expect that I am, and I will never live up to the expectations that they have for me. I should know better since I am painfully aware of the ways that my image was improved almost beyond recognition. But there is still an incredible amount of pressure to live up to the perceptions about my past, and I fear that I am a bit of a let-down.

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Oy vey! Yeah, it's a bit like that for me too. Some people think that once you have a life in politics, that is what follows you for the rest of the your lifetimes and it's not like that. Ha! in this lifetime, I'm the most apolitical person you'll ever meet. I care little for politics in this lifetime.

Putting words in someone's mouth? You want to read half the WWII Third Reich books. Most of them "think" we said one thing, but did we really? No.. it's all well... Allied propaganda.

Pumpkinspice said:

I really hate reading anything about my first past life it’s just so embarrassing I feel like my privacy has been violated or something it’s just horrible!

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Hey... People are still trying to find my House of Eternity in Egypt! They STILL think I'm buried in the Valley of the Kings.

Jaimie said:

In my flashbacks what I read and what really happened are 2 different things. This was why I missed her (the person who's these flashbacks belonged to back then, my potential past life self) when she first appeared to me in the entertainer's biography.

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Yup, like my WWII lifetime. What I read and what really happened are two different things.

Jaimie said:

But there is another part of me that yearns to tell the truth from my flashbacks. I think she had that yearning too but she did not dare to, under her life time.

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I returned specifically to tell MY story. It is my life purpose along with other things. I remember things that are not written ANYWHERE. I had that yearning in my WWII lifetime too. After the war, I was going to write. But I didn't quite get there...

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What has recently put me at peace with this is that I remarkably enough got hold of an actor's own words describing her, their relationship and a situation to a psychiatrist in 1955. I still can't believe it is in a book for everyone to read. He thought it was safe to tell , and that it would be part of his treatment. His words tell me that my flashbacks were true and for that reason I appreciate it. However I am not sure about how I feel about confidential things being let out in the open like that.

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Reading our own books is often our balm. Or someone else's words about us. I don't agree with confidential things being out in the open either. I had a very wise friend who also had a FPL tell me: " They can research and write about me as much as they wish, but they will never know the real me. Who I really was as a person."

In a way they are right..

Eva x

Eva1942 said:

That is a very good question. Who would not be honoured to have been spoofed, but what happens when they incorporate a little too much fantasy into the portrayal?

Sadly, that's exactly what some things are now. Distorted reflections.

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The fantasy was added ages ago. I am accustomed to it, and I do not mind. They are working with a character, not a real person. They are trying to present a certain image, just as modern celebrities have images cultivated around them that are not necessarily accurate. However, I have the bonus of relative anonymity. Few know to apply these distortions to me. If other people have the wrong impression about my past lives, that is none of my concern. I know who I really was. And those who are aware of my past are also aware of the way I really was. Anyone else may think what they will, embellish what they will. That time is over. My image may be used for good or ill, but there is little that can be done now. I can complain or try to convince people that they are wrong, but it is a lot of work for too little result. I would much rather focus on making a positive impact in this lifetime than devote it to damage control of another one.

I have remembered an aristocratic life in France sometime before or during or after? the french revolution... I think I have found her. It is not a life I wish to talk much about really, it still feels so far fetched. I am unsure today when I get such dreams or when I remember during meditation because I don't know if I am picking up someone else's memories and not my own past lives...I don't know. I have just gotten more suspicious and insecure the longer I have done this, ha ha. Should be the other way around, shouldn't it? I suppose my point is that some of the things I read about her, about them were not how I remembered it. The way I remembered it was that she and her husband was like sister and brother. Not like husband and wife. But it was portrait as if it was a happy marriage and perhaps by those day's standard it was, but "we" weren't in love and "we" weren't attracted to one another, but "we" both wanted children and I was arranged into this marriage to give him children, a boy had more value than a girl. It was very strange experience for us both as we were to go to bed and "perform". We had zero attraction to one another, but we had tender feelings. I am like ashamed of how narrow minded she was and I think she had no proper education. She lived in a small world. She was kept this way. She did not look down on the poor people, but it was as if it was a different species. I feel ashamed just writing that. The gap seemed to have been enormous.
/Li-La

Li-la said:

The way I remembered it was that she and her husband was like sister and brother. Not like husband and wife. But it was portrait as if it was a happy marriage and perhaps by those day's standard it was, but "we" weren't in love and "we" weren't attracted to one another, but "we" both wanted children and I was arranged into this marriage to give him children, a boy had more value than a girl. It was very strange experience for us both as we were to go to bed and "perform". We had zero attraction to one another, but we had tender feelings.

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I think you could call this a successful marriage. This whole thing about love and attraction within marriage is only a recent 'invention'. It used to be (and still IS in a great part of our current world) a business arrangement. Of course, the lucky ones during history had it both: marriage and love/attraction. The common mindset was: marriage is an economical and political arrangement and the love and passion were found beside this institution (secretly or in the open, depending on the situation).

Of all the marriages I can remember so far, there was only one that was full of passion and love and the rest was arranged one way or the other. Like you, I've had memories of being an aristocrat woman in France in the same time period. It only happened once that I got memories but they were so explicit, real and detailed that I felt disgusted for days and took away my interest in diving back again into that life. Inside the memory, I was disgusted by my husband, a French count. So much that I didn't want to touch him at all and I forced girls (who worked in the household) to do this job for me.
I saw my own liaisons as well, very explicitly. Although I am a bit curious if these memories could lead to a life written down in history, I am hesitant as well. I felt physically sick for days after the first bombardment of visuals and memories. It had been a life full of sex, power, and perversion. And 'I' had been a thriving part of that perverted milieu, nothing to be proud of.