Does law of attraction really work?
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lollipop
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I don't think it works, I think our lives are scripted. A lady who had an nde Sammy Kelly. Has gd theory on this
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Jaimie
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Well, I think it kinda can work considering all the years of experiencing that I thought of someone I have not been in touch with for a long time, friends or I moved far away from each other due to various circumstances, and then we call each other at the right time or whatever. Or that both can have the same dream, even if we live totally different lives. And we were both like "How could this be?" "Or this is funny, I thought of you for days, I don't know why, and now you call (while I had only thought of that person for a few hours, little distracted thoughts here and there ). Maybe it is because these are soulmates that this has happened with, that we have a stronger connection to. However, free will to chose to contact someone, have a relationship with someone is the key. It dominates over any loa. You can't force someone. You can't take over their free will. One should always respect that.
lollipop
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as far as I ve studied so far, there is no free will, lol. so for example, it was not loa why these things manifested in yr life, they were scripted to happen, and you were seeing what was scripted before it arrived. manifestation, loa, laws of the universe, according to some, dont exist. we are here to experience only, there is no karma, and everything is scripted. that's what ive read anyway. scientists seem to be coming to the conclusion of no free will also
This is no way to live. Many years ago, regardless of any debate, I decided it was absolutely necessary to believe that we have free will, in order to even make any move at all. Otherwise, we merely exist entrapped as pointless robots.
Nothing I've found in the decades since has suggested to me that I made the wrong choice. It seems we really do have free will. Try it some time!
lollipop
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we are a robot of our own souls script....apparently....before birth we plan everything. even me talking to you right now! not sure about it, just what I ve read from ndes and scientists. an acorn has no free will, it has to become a tree.
Well I guess I will put my two cents worth on this subject. From a bigger perceptive before we incarnate we do plan out the major events that will play out in any given lifetime from the soul /causal plane where we are above time, space and matter. From this vantage point soul can see and be aware of all possible realities and outcomes of any given lifetime being played out in the worlds of duality below. This is how we not only work out our karma and spiritual lessons we need to learn but also how the soul evolves from one lifetime to another.
However free will always plays a part in this even while incarnated in the physical plane. This makes for a interesting scenario in that while involved in playing out our characters, personalities and lifetimes being lived in the moment at any given point during that lifetime we can shift from one parallel reality to another simply by deciding a different path or choice of action to take instead of the one originally planed out. By doing so we create a whole other possible reality instead. The reason for this is that in my opinion when the soul has evolved enough to understand the lessons at hand it can then transcend that original life lesson now and create another different reality all together. This now creates another life plan being worked out due to the fact that good karma is being utilized to elevate the soul to another level of spiritual unfoldment while still incarnated. This is how soul makes the most of every lifetime being lived to it's fullest potential by allowing it to move freely within the confines of space, time and matter.
However if the soul has not evolved enough yet to take this choice it will simply then live out the original life plan given from the beginning as the default. This is why our choices in life really do create a really big impact on how our lives will play out.
Well that's my two cents.
Love and peace P.
However free will always plays a part in this even while incarnated in the physical plane. This makes for a interesting scenario in that while involved in playing out our characters, personalities and lifetimes being lived in the moment at any given point during that lifetime we can shift from one parallel reality to another simply by deciding a different path or choice of action to take instead of the one originally planed out. By doing so we create a whole other possible reality instead. The reason for this is that in my opinion when the soul has evolved enough to understand the lessons at hand it can then transcend that original life lesson now and create another different reality all together. This now creates another life plan being worked out due to the fact that good karma is being utilized to elevate the soul to another level of spiritual unfoldment while still incarnated. This is how soul makes the most of every lifetime being lived to it's fullest potential by allowing it to move freely within the confines of space, time and matter.
However if the soul has not evolved enough yet to take this choice it will simply then live out the original life plan given from the beginning as the default. This is why our choices in life really do create a really big impact on how our lives will play out.
Well that's my two cents.
Love and peace P.
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lollipop
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From my own perspective, I ve thought who would know best about the afterlife, but people who have had ndes. I find it confusing as they all say different things and I wonder if they are just hallucinations, but one lady struck a particular vibe with me, and that's Sammy Kelly. She attempted suicide and had an nde. She says she was told there is no free will, and everything is preordained by our souls s script. This theory is backed up by scientists like Sam Harris, no free will I mean. She is also a non dualist, and says there is no karma, or universal laws. She has resonated with me. She is on you tube under nurture your soul. This is why the old member kding was interesting to me, as he has the same view she does. Have you had an nde? There's a man called theora apothasis on you tube, he's an expert on magnetism and ancient poly. He also refutes free will, and says the soul exists outside the body. He's very interesting.
Regards
Helen
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Helen
lollipop
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There is a lot of study on psi now, dean radin, Russell targ, exploring telepathy, etc, these men are worth looking at
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Helen
Jaimie
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Hi, call me crazy, but I just feel like I am going to share this story.
In my most recent past life I was romantically involved with someone.
When we had before talked of our future it had seemed so real to me, like I could almost reach out and touch it, it was nuts, I had not had that before. I had had a vision of the future. not daydreaming like, something else. he felt like this too, or so he said. He could see us have a family of our own, especially a small child, with us.
In that life I was religious, spiritual, I would feel the presence of my dead parent, for instance, and later before I got accidentally pregnant the presence of my unborn child lingering about, especially in my dreams in the late night, I could feel sort of what this spirit was like. I was viewed as highly sensitive, but vulnerable at times, and sadly in the eyes of this young man - as weak, especially after our break up.
When I had thought we had to get married, due to our relationship being seriously threaten, he said no. Told me to wait til the right time. The right time that it seems he, now suddenly being in a superior situation, would know when that was.
It was almost as if I could see us move clock wise backwards. Even if I felt inferior and vulnerable and just embarrassing myself I did bring up the subject again with him, but he was like "...is it so hard to wait?".
He hated weak people. Because I had more trouble enduring in what I thought was an unhealthy situation for him, for us, for me - I was weak. I did not wish for him to think less of me. To view me as even weaker than he apparently thought I was. So I said no more of it.
In retrospect I can't understand how he could be so protective of me in one way, and yet oblivious to the hurt he, and no one else, was causing me.
The other destiny that he picked for us was the right one as far as his career was concerned. Very right, indeed.
One day my vision that had seemed so very real was erased. I told him, in a matter of fact way "I don't see our future anymore". It just came out. He got upset and said "Don't say that!". But I couldn't help it. I did not say it to hurt or to make him angry.
This very strange experience has led me to think that maybe we do not just have one destiny, maybe there are different destinies out there, and that it is the free will that will dominate at some stage which destiny it will be.
I have something else crazy to add... about the spirit lingering about, when I got accidentally pregnant I thought it was this spirit's time to come. I had used protection. Funny thing was had we married when I wanted it would only have been natural that this baby would come when it did. But despite using protection, and despite me not being married to it's daddy, I got pregnant anyhow. At some stage, though, I sadly miscarried... then, strangely, at some stage I could still feel this spirit close by. It still had it's eye on me. Then I became pregnant again, almost as if my body was so used to being pregnant that the first chance it got after the miscarriage it took. This baby was to make it.
I personally think one of the lessons this spirit had to go through in life was to get away from it's father's shadow, something there the child had to learn about. All I could do in that life was basically sit back and watch, which at times made me very sad, but I could not interfere - being a mother only.
Thing was, personally speaking, spiritually speaking, not of course physically speaking, this child was more alike the ex ( with whom I got the first pregnancy from ) than the real dad who had came into the picture later on.
So maybe this spirit too changed from one destiny to the other, and seemed adamant that in one way or the other, I would be the mother. We were to have a close and endearing relationship.
/Jaimie
In my most recent past life I was romantically involved with someone.
When we had before talked of our future it had seemed so real to me, like I could almost reach out and touch it, it was nuts, I had not had that before. I had had a vision of the future. not daydreaming like, something else. he felt like this too, or so he said. He could see us have a family of our own, especially a small child, with us.
In that life I was religious, spiritual, I would feel the presence of my dead parent, for instance, and later before I got accidentally pregnant the presence of my unborn child lingering about, especially in my dreams in the late night, I could feel sort of what this spirit was like. I was viewed as highly sensitive, but vulnerable at times, and sadly in the eyes of this young man - as weak, especially after our break up.
When I had thought we had to get married, due to our relationship being seriously threaten, he said no. Told me to wait til the right time. The right time that it seems he, now suddenly being in a superior situation, would know when that was.
It was almost as if I could see us move clock wise backwards. Even if I felt inferior and vulnerable and just embarrassing myself I did bring up the subject again with him, but he was like "...is it so hard to wait?".
He hated weak people. Because I had more trouble enduring in what I thought was an unhealthy situation for him, for us, for me - I was weak. I did not wish for him to think less of me. To view me as even weaker than he apparently thought I was. So I said no more of it.
In retrospect I can't understand how he could be so protective of me in one way, and yet oblivious to the hurt he, and no one else, was causing me.
The other destiny that he picked for us was the right one as far as his career was concerned. Very right, indeed.
One day my vision that had seemed so very real was erased. I told him, in a matter of fact way "I don't see our future anymore". It just came out. He got upset and said "Don't say that!". But I couldn't help it. I did not say it to hurt or to make him angry.
This very strange experience has led me to think that maybe we do not just have one destiny, maybe there are different destinies out there, and that it is the free will that will dominate at some stage which destiny it will be.
I have something else crazy to add... about the spirit lingering about, when I got accidentally pregnant I thought it was this spirit's time to come. I had used protection. Funny thing was had we married when I wanted it would only have been natural that this baby would come when it did. But despite using protection, and despite me not being married to it's daddy, I got pregnant anyhow. At some stage, though, I sadly miscarried... then, strangely, at some stage I could still feel this spirit close by. It still had it's eye on me. Then I became pregnant again, almost as if my body was so used to being pregnant that the first chance it got after the miscarriage it took. This baby was to make it.
I personally think one of the lessons this spirit had to go through in life was to get away from it's father's shadow, something there the child had to learn about. All I could do in that life was basically sit back and watch, which at times made me very sad, but I could not interfere - being a mother only.
Thing was, personally speaking, spiritually speaking, not of course physically speaking, this child was more alike the ex ( with whom I got the first pregnancy from ) than the real dad who had came into the picture later on.
So maybe this spirit too changed from one destiny to the other, and seemed adamant that in one way or the other, I would be the mother. We were to have a close and endearing relationship.
/Jaimie
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lollipop
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that's an interesting story, thanks for sharing that with us. I dont have any recollection of any past life. it never occured to me at all that free will may be an illusion, I always considered I could choose whatever I pleased. then as my life went on, sometimes it felt things would happen and I d have absolutely no control over it. in fact the more I tried to control a situation, the more it seemed to go wrong. then I made a decision that was so unlike me, and with hindsight I thought to myself why on earth did I do that? I realised that perhaps my subconscious had more to play than I realised. the scientific view is that we have no free will because of our environment, genetics, etc. not all scientists believe we have no free will, but a lot do. then when I started looking into ndes, I realised a lot of them took the stance of life being scripted, which made some sense to me. im no expert by any means, and am really interested in other peoples views. I always think to try to be as aware as you can and apply logic in life is the best way, but I ve had instances where I ve thought I ve manifested things in my life, people, etc, but then after reading some ndes I think I wonder if I manifested it or if it was scripted. I dont know, im not even sure if im an atheist or not currently, lol. I am feeling that I need concrete evidence for anything as im getting older.
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helen
lollipop
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what do you think about it?
lollipop
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abba are a fabulous band! lol what a lovely song to encompass your story. can I ask you, how did you recall this past life? was it through regression therapy, or you remembered it yourself etc? theora apothasis is a man I have a lot of respect for, and he believes in reincarnation. he believes in the two souls and the self. the persona non grata, the person, and the spirit au sanctum (forgive my spelling if I ve spelt those wrong) which is the spirit outside of the body. the body receives like a transmitter. he likens it to a radio, the signal is not inside the radio, and the soul is not in the body. something like that anyway. he has discovered black holes are magnetic and torodal, the universe is basically magnetic, hes extremely clever. did you know, for example, that dream catchers, are made with the circular part, so as to mimic the toroidal nature of magnetism? the circle will catch and suck in the bad entity, dream, etc, as a black hole attracts matter. interesting isnt it? hes very interesting
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helen
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Jaimie
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Yes, agree ABBAs the greatest, thank you. I will sure check out about Theora Apothasis, it does sound very interesting.
The experiences of memories from this life in particular first came to surface, well, always I suppose; from when I was very little and had the same nightmare. This nightmare would stop around when I was I think 7 or so.
Then when I came to the US I would have flashbacks, start remembering, fragments in dreams that seemed too real.
At one point I told my friend of this, and she came from a long line of family members who had psychic abilities, and she remembered her past life, this life where she had been my friend. It was a real shocker. She had known this for years when first meeting me. She knew detailed information from our time together in that life.
So many years after all of this started I then did meditation, and that life still turns up during my meditations.
I had to do extensive research to believe any of this myself, so I went back to the US to do this.
So many years I had this, before Internet was discovered, so it was not so easy to do the research as it would have been today.
/Jaimie
The experiences of memories from this life in particular first came to surface, well, always I suppose; from when I was very little and had the same nightmare. This nightmare would stop around when I was I think 7 or so.
Then when I came to the US I would have flashbacks, start remembering, fragments in dreams that seemed too real.
At one point I told my friend of this, and she came from a long line of family members who had psychic abilities, and she remembered her past life, this life where she had been my friend. It was a real shocker. She had known this for years when first meeting me. She knew detailed information from our time together in that life.
So many years after all of this started I then did meditation, and that life still turns up during my meditations.
I had to do extensive research to believe any of this myself, so I went back to the US to do this.
So many years I had this, before Internet was discovered, so it was not so easy to do the research as it would have been today.
/Jaimie
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lollipop
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its so interesting, I did read your whole statement and was pondering on the whole concept. so if you apply the theory that the soul exists outside of the body, like a transmitter, you could be receiving information from a past life, or the memory could be stored in the actual memory cortex of the brain, and you have somehow accessed it through dreams. I assume that the evidence you found then could in no way have been some information you picked up and sub consciously stored away without being aware of it at some point in your life? you seem sure in yourself that the evidence you found was a back to the memories you were having. theora does a live stream where you can ask him questions, and he said the other night about the reason we dont remember past lives, but I cant remember what it is now. at the moment im fascinated by precognition, because I know for a fact it exists, but I cant fathom at all how it is possible from a scientific perspective. I cant see its just a random guess of the future, a lady told me I would see two people coming up in my future that didnt live in my town, so it wasn't likely I d bump into them. this is two months in advance. I believe it has something to do with time not being linear, but I dont understand how it can be done. theora is an expert on magnetism, and has written many books on the subject. about a year ago he took a picture of a magnet under a ferrous cell (think that's correct). it showed the doughnut toroidal holographic shape and said , this is what a black hole would look like if they took a picture . sure enough , when nasa got the first pics of the black hole, looks exactly the same as he prophesised. I am surer than ever that our imagination is more than we think it is, and there is a lot of study now on psi phenomena. dean radin, Russell targ, to name a few, sam harris on the concept of free will. etc. lots of interesting people to look up.
lollipop
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theora states that the whole universe is magnetic/diaelelectric. its very simple, not complicated. light does not travel, per se, but is a field perturbation. there are no particles, or waves as such, but fields. he believes the eather exists. he says mother nature is not a jumped up hooker on crack with a bag of bumping particles, lol. he says, matter is made up of light, at an incredibly high frequency. Nicole teslar, the famous scientist, who said we could all have free energy, and who invented the acdc motor, and was shut down by the government for his theory on free energy, said famously, everything is the light.
lollipop
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hes really interesting ken hes on you tube, theora apothasis. this is the first nasa image of a black hole. if you look on theoras you tube page, his heading is his picture of a magnet taken under a ferrous cell, or something like that. its the exact same, he has a video clip of him doing it. the picture with the tape on is a holographic image of blood, we can start to see the similarities.
Jaimie
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Hi, I felt sorry afterwards when seeing how much I had written and decided to shorten it up, I thought it would be too boring to read all that, ha ha, but you did it -- thanks
Yes, the information I got could not have come to me in any subconscious way. It was the other way around. I would read things and tell myself, see this is how it really was - you made your stuff up. But then as the years progressed, I got so much other evidence that my other remembering were how it had been. Then I was able to get verification that the way I had remembered it was really how it had been through my past life self's family's statements and ex boyfriend's statement, something so personal as extracts from his diary that was kept by a relative of his, and extracts of sessions with a psychiatrist he saw after the break up because they forced him, thought he had anger management troubles. But also in other ways that things has some to surface so many years after I had the memory, and things I never thought it would be possible for me to find validation for either.
About the soul being outside the body...all I can relate to there so far is a grim scene that came to me during meditation. Back then being a woman, married, mother, working class, USA. Died of drowning in the 1920's. Was of mix color, my husband white ( only I somehow managed to be classified as white, living in my father's world, but in other ways they caught me, and I was afraid of that so I lived isolated ). Back then gambling, card games were forbidden, but my husband did so anyway. I remember coming to this place, a restaurant, in a haste, looking for him. My thoughts must have been on our boy, who was ill in some way and we were desperate for money to get him help/improve his state. So I was not as careful as I use to be. So this big guy, big arms lets me in the room where this card playing was suppose to be going on, but there was no one there. I think he either tried to rape me or he did rape me, this guy was damaged you know, had lack of empathy, in his world this was fair game as revenge to my husband who, I gathered, had won money from him. I was outside the body afterwards as I saw her get home. Now, I don't know if this was a way to protect me from feeling what she felt in the body and the physical pain, perhaps ?
As I ghost in 2 past lives I see myself outside my body, of course, because then I am dead, but one thing that has puzzled me is that my ankle of seeing things, and people are always the same, kind off from the side, a bit up. But I did have the ability to zoom in as well, which I did in a scene when I watched my ex husband.
I will surely check out what you give advice upon, think it sounds interesting too
/Jaimie
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