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Covid19 Thread 1 (The Elephant in the Room)

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I'm absolutely with you there, landsend. There's a lot to be said for a dose of isolation to help get life in perspective! And gardening is also a great help. I've just come in from cutting the grass, and the fresh air and sunshine have made me feel almost 'normal'! I'm also planning my 'dig for victory' garden. Good organic lettuce for a start, now that seems to have disappeared from the shops. There's nothing like a good virus to get me out of my laziness. And life is precious. I don't want to waste any of it. Right now I'm just glad to be alive, when so many poor souls have lost their lives unexpectedly. I'll put up with anything rather than join them, however long it takes.

I know there are still some selfish people out there (viz. the empty shop shelves etc.) but there also seems to be a lot of good coming from all this. People are actually thinking about helping each other, drawing closer, seeing what's important in life and what isn't. And here, we're all having good conversations about life and values. Personally, I'm grateful for that.
 
So here's some good recent examples of idiots who should be locked up. Unbelievable!

'In Clichy-Sous-Bois, a Paris suburb where nationwide riots triggered by police harassment allegations erupted in 2005, a person bit a police officer trying to enforce confinement rules, said Linda Kebbab, a police union spokesperson. And a large crowd threatened to spit on officers who had planned to disperse them in the southeastern city of Lyon but left instead, she said.


In the southern German state of Bavaria, Gov. Markus Soeder lamented that "there are still corona parties, there are young people who cough at older people and shout corona for fun and, above all, there are an incredible number of groups being formed.”'

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Scene in Florida, 17 March.
 
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So here's some good recent examples of idiots who should be locked up. Unbelievable!

'In Clichy-Sous-Bois, a Paris suburb where nationwide riots triggered by police harassment allegations erupted in 2005, a person bit a police officer trying to enforce confinement rules, said Linda Kebbab, a police union spokesperson. And a large crowd threatened to spit on officers who had planned to disperse them in the southeastern city of Lyon but left instead, she said.


In the southern German state of Bavaria, Gov. Markus Soeder lamented that "there are still corona parties, there are young people who cough at older people and shout corona for fun and, above all, there are an incredible number of groups being formed.”'

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Scene in Florida, 17 March.
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All that I can say about these social types being reckless and irresponsible they're going to get their Darwin awards one way or another as they refuse to fallow basic rules. This is why the national guard has been called out for Baltimore and a couple of other places.
 
Please remember to keep things as positive as possible, or just remain silent. This thread, which once seemed valuable and interesting, is now considered by moderators to be something less than that. People every where are stressed to their limits, and adding negatives and darkness to their worlds is not what we hope to achieve here on this forum. I'm sure there are many other forums on the internet for these things. I won't get any more specific, other than to ask you be kind, positive, factual, and to the point of the original poster's question: "I'm interested in providing a place for people to discuss their concerns and experiences in their particular locales, and etc."

If this thread disappears it will be due to these things.

~Tman
 
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There and back again said:
All that I can say about these social types being reckless and irresponsible they're going to get their Darwin awards one way or another as they refuse to fallow basic rules. This is why the national guard has been called out for Baltimore and a couple of other places.
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One like for "Darwin awards". Good term.

It's as ancient Romans used to say:
"Quem [Juppiter] vult perdere - prius dementat" => "Whom [Jupiter] wants to destroy, first dements".

Good weather doesn't add to willingness to stay home. Just look at the Russians: they're so used to stay home when it's -20ºC out there, that there in Russia any of those anti-lockdown acts look unthinkable.
 
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In about 20 minutes church bells will be ringing all over Germany and Italy. People who are Christians and religions may pray, people who are not so religious or not Christians still may put a candle in their window to show their solidarity with those who are sick, quarantined or otherwise suffering from this crisis and their solidarity with Italy.
While my personal relationship with especially the Catholic church is a bit complicated, I think that is a beautiful idea and I will light a candle.

EDIT: Several cities organized balcony/window music today, even our small town. Could hear nothing in the street where I live, though, and alone I didn't dare. Song was Ode to Joy, and there also was a recommended key and tempo. Anyway, I think it's a wonderful idea to organize such things in Germany, too.
 
tanker said:
I'm absolutely with you there, landsend. There's a lot to be said for a dose of isolation to help get life in perspective! And gardening is also a great help. I've just come in from cutting the grass, and the fresh air and sunshine have made me feel almost 'normal'! I'm also planning my 'dig for victory' garden. Good organic lettuce for a start, now that seems to have disappeared from the shops. There's nothing like a good virus to get me out of my laziness. And life is precious. I don't want to waste any of it. Right now I'm just glad to be alive, when so many poor souls have lost their lives unexpectedly. I'll put up with anything rather than join them, however long it takes.

I know there are still some selfish people out there (viz. the empty shop shelves etc.) but there also seems to be a lot of good coming from all this. People are actually thinking about helping each other, drawing closer, seeing what's important in life and what isn't. And here, we're all having good conversations about life and values. Personally, I'm grateful for that.
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I grew my own lettuce last year in a tray and just took leaves off — we had salad until winter. Am growing again in my greenhouse — for extra vitamins grow spinach, beet leaves, corn salad and bean sprouts. It makes an interesting salad and way better than store bought! Easy too... just keep away from slugs.

Maybe we should start a digging for victory thread ? Share our progress.
 
I am going to say that old habits die hard and not everyone has a need to be positive about things like the watchmen and prophets of old, once this storm passes we'll just go back to our usual places and be invisible to society as ever. Times like this is why people Need to work on emotional endurance if not for themselves their loved ones and those who matter the most otherwise things only get harder. Just think of how first responders and medical staff are feeling right now and how horrendous their experiences are then be thankful that all there is to worry for most is only the news. We'll get through this episode one way or another but remember emotional endurance not only adds some stability it can save lives.
 
Hi Tinkerman,

I agree and disagree with your last. On the disagreement side, this is also supposed to be a place where people can talk about their "concerns". There are many examples of solidarity and selflessness to be extolled, but there are also examples of stupidity and selfishness, plus worries about the future. (My current personal un-favorite is summed up by the college kids on the beach--in my home state--a few posts above).

However, it is hard to know where to draw the line. If this thread gets axed because people are expressing their concerns, it also axes their chance to be consoled or at least let off some steam. Personally, I think that having a place to vent helps a lot of people get rid of some stress about some of these things. There is going to be a lot of stress in the weeks ahead, and this forum provides a place for people who believe in reincarnation to talk about it and give some comfort and encouragement to each other. (There is plenty on the encouragement side in the posts above, so please keep that in mind).

Cordially--and hoping and believing that we will all make it through this,
S&S
 
I'm pleased this seems to be a very popular thread. Personally I'm glad to have it here for general support and information. At such times it's important to have an outlet for our concerns and ideas, particularly when we all come from different parts of the world. Many thanks to S&S for starting it!
 
I'm not sure what you could say what is negative and what is not ... IMO what is happening to us is we are beginning to understand what we as humans are our major failings
We are physical entities who die from many diseases we have no cures and others we have cures for but still die... and we have very short lifespans ..... one day all of that may end ..that is a positive
 
Thanks for the input, you all make valid points. And we want to support our membership with their ideas and concerns, but in responsible ways. Reiterating what was said earlier, be kind, positive, factual, and to the point of the original poster's question. ~Tman
 
Here's something positive to add. My kind neighbour has just delivered my weekly bread and milk, and left me a little gift of some cakes as well. Last time she left me some flowers. This, at a time when she has just suffered bereavement. Lovely gestures like that really lift the spirits and show the best of humans.
 
Some bulletins from the front:

Loss of sense of taste/smell seems to be an early sign that you are infected:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...oronavirus-infection/articleshow/74767666.cms

https://www.foxnews.com/health/loss-of-taste-smell-could-be-telltale-sign-of-coronavirus

For most of us, just treat it the old-fashioned way (plus internet):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...vid-19-whether-you-have-it-or-not/ar-BB11yfoQ

The good ol' phone call is making a come-back. It turns out that speaking by phone helps to restore the person-to-person feeling lost in emails and texts for people in isolation:

https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/22/i-just-called-to-say-the-phone-call-is-back/

Best news of the day so far!!!! If we can keep social distancing, things are likely to top out and improve far sooner than some are currently predicting:

https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html

:)

S&S
 
If you keep a couple of meters away from other persons, it might work, because, unlike the flu virus, the coronavirus weighs more, so it goes down much sooner, than the flu virus. As long as you don't touch anything, especially your face, you're safe.
 
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Ok, here's my latest positive experience, thanks to the virus ...
This afternoon I drove over to a quiet street - the only sort of outings I dare take - and had a walk. It was almost post-apocalyptic. Absolute silence, apart from birdsong. Not a human in sight. It was so quiet that you could hear every small sound, the faintest rustling of leaves. These streets are normally full of cars, with air you can't breathe. Today they're as quiet as the country. It's another world. Front gardens are full of silent flowers, the sun seems that much more intense when you've been indoors for so long, and there are no people to do you harm. And I was grateful that I'm still able to walk as fast as I did when young. I felt more alive in this new land than I ever did in 'normal' life.
 
There and back again said:
Back during the outbreak of 1918 one trick people used for treating the ill was to get them outside where there is fresh air and sun light which often helped, they did the same for those with TB until the 50s when antibiotics became common.
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Antibiotics don't work with viruses.

The sun may be useful as it gives ulta-violet radiation that kills viruses.

Fresh air - no idea.
 
OK, I'm not going to do a direct link on the next one. It is either an admirable example of adapting to circumstances or a deplorable example of American crassness. Perhaps it is both. Anyhow, the video news clip that goes with it is close to being "R" rated (or at least PG13), so as noted I'm going to forego giving a direct link. However, it can be found easily by searching:

Portland strip club forced to close, so dancers now do delivery

Basically, the whole establishment is adopting a new way of doing business in order to cope with suddenly being put out of business by Wuhan. In short, they are now cooking and delivering food orders using their scantily clad dancers. Actually, I'm kinda on their side--I have to admire their ingenuity and ability and willingness to adapt. In hard times people gotta survive in the best way they can. :cool:

S&S
 
Ah, S&S, who cares what it is? It's great if someone can bring a bit of lightheartedness to the otherwise depressing proceedings. I'm sure the dancers would revive the pulses of a few old strugglers. Is anyone in UK going to follow suit?
 
Cyrus said:
Antibiotics don't work with viruses.

The sun may be useful as it gives ulta-violet radiation that kills viruses.

Fresh air - no idea.
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The reason for mentioning antibiotics is the reason for why the practice was ended, as for viral infections the reason for using antibiotics is to limit opportunistic infections while the body recovers from the viral infection.
 
hello :)

i am fortunate to work for a company considered an essential business, and although the hours have been reduced, the time with family has been nice. social distancing has allowed for increased efforts towards good hygiene, moments for contemplation and disconnection from internet/cell phone overload and some rest and time in nature. i worked today and got to serve the community(with responsible measures in place as a response to the crisis) then i got to come home and bathe in the sun and spend time with two happy puppies and a loving family.
i have friends who are adapting quickly, as sea and sky has highlighted, there are creative solutions happening as a response to some businesses being asked to shut down temporarily.
i express a solemn attitude in these times with respects to friends in concentrated area's and those directly affected by the virus. which is the recommended advice for balancing anxiety- fear and need for entertainment.
it's nice to see there are beacons of light in a time of uncertainty, at the local level, where simple acts of thoughtfulness are enough to boost the immunities. the petty aggression that was once commonplace in my city has faded and it is nice to see young families outside spending quality time together.

i listened to a very good speech by swami vidyadhishananda which discusses positive response to the crisis we face and offers blessings for those who choose to take the time and practice the wisdom.
it's free for anyone interested, if you have the slightest curiosity and about an hour or two to spare...
here you go,
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2845966815439491

may all beings be happy. courage is the antivirus.
 
Hi Tanker,

I'm glad you picked up on the humorous side of my prior post and those involved. In terms of anyone in the UK following "suit"--I assume you mean "birthday suit" or something close thereto! :D In that regard, I can't imagine that the UK would let themselves be left behind by their colonial cousins!

Cordially,
S&S

PS--I can understand the sales appeal, but I honestly have to feel a bit sorry for the girls at that latitude. I just looked at the forecast for Portland today. High 51F and low 41F with what looks like showers. Brrrr. They may keep their jobs, but I hope they don't catch cold. o_O
 
The positive outcome of this virus is that we all learned that life is precious. We all realized that we should spend more time with our family and we should be grateful for our job and the blessings we receive. During this time of quarantine, mother nature is healing her self because of less pollution.
 
I’m seeing good things come of these times, too. Hope people reflect and realise a few things about life. Only wish I could be more helpful in the world, being a civilian in these times is odd at best. Am bringing up three kids and realise I need to change my way of living to be more self sufficient, and it never hurts to brush up on survival skills (can thank Terry for the reminder there).
 
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