No your right Lia. It doesn't have to be one or the other, but you were making claims as if they were definate facts of the past and they simply aren't.
Finding evidence to fit the theory and finding evidence to support the theory are two different things.
I only have snippets of one day and as I said it was a gathering. We had a 'prehistoric party'. But I can tell you that the two leaders of that group, myself and another sacrificed ourselves after the first attack to save everyone else and the other was a woman.
The way I see it primitive people were a collective of people working together playing to each others strengths. It wasn't matriarchal or patriarchal, it was both genders working together for the good of everyone.
But Heide still has an untested theory and so far all you've supplied is confirmation bias not facts.
Just because men were involved in sciences doesn't mean you can just swing the pendulum the other way and show Diana Muldaur astride a horse and say 'That's the way things were!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(film)
I try to be as objective as possible in everything but you should spread your wings a bit IMO and try to find sources other than those with confirmed agendas.
Actually when I learned about prehistory it was about both sexes. It had to be or I wouldnt have understood where civilisation sprang from.
Women deserve history, they deserve their place in history. I've a great admiration for women. But its irresponsible to white wash history. Besides....behind every great man there's a woman. I had a fiance throughout the Civil War in my last life and you've no idea what a huge support she was...just by being her. Or my tenth century wife Gormflaith, intelligent, beautiful and completely and utterly ruthless. Women of the past formed their own niches and trailblazed in their own ways. You underestimate them as being shrinking violets IMO.
I never underestimate women.
You can't look at modern humans, whether they are primitive or not, and definitively say that that society had not evolved over time. As I said, to my memory there was a more balanced approach. There had to be for survival. Sacrifice the figureheads, man/woman. There was no gender conflict nor a delineation of gender stereotypes to my mind, but there was, out of practical necessity, people utilising their own strengths.
The only question I have for Heide is why she thought rebelliousness was a good enough reason to go in the complete opposite direction instead of objectively analysing findings?
Where would the prehistoric mothers go? The pub? Mothercare? I don't see the justification here.
I know, baby teeth. So are you saying the brother stayed at home for seven years breastfeeding while the mother went out and hunted?
It wasn't done for a long time in history. As I said there were powerful women in history and humble farmers wives just as there were powerful men and humble farmers. Women weren't reduced to reproduction, its just they are the ones that get pregnant. Besides women helped out around farms too just as inclined noble women manipulated the systems in which they lived.
You keep placing modern outlooks on the past.
That's not entirely men's fault though. It was just the way life was in the past.
No your right, myths and legends have to come from somewhere but you can't rely on them to paint a clear picture of life in the past. Here's an example of the distortion of history through myth from my own PL memories and its only from 1000 years ago:
http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/what-is-a-king.8487/
How do their core patterns remain the same and how do you know this. If the entire historic record and worlds creations were lost people in a thousand years would simply assume that gay marriage has always been the norm. That wouldn't make it fact.
No but it does equate that it is representative of mammoth hunting. That was my point. It seems to be representative. I assume that's why the archeologists said that they may not have acquired status through action. Which indicates it probably wasn't about honouring great hunters no?
Obviously people had rich emotional lives back in the day too. But Heides' making suppositions.
What brought you to a reincarnation forum?
You know I used modern sport as an example not a fact. Cage fighting and boxing are today's gladiator bouts but that doesn't mean the killing of Christians in the ring nowadays.
The only thing I hated about school is that they mostly didn't engage my brain. It was mostly just memorising stuff. That's why I lost interest in school. I agree schooling is flawed but children need structure and discipline and a broader education. In second level here anyway they can then pick and choose some subjects.
Well...when I was in prison a riot broke out in another wing and all the screws ran like hell to suppress it. All male. Trailing far behind was this tiny little female screw and I looked on and thought "What the EFF is she going to do when she gets there?" Just saying...
But even gift economies need hierarchal structures. Even if its just dependent on a woman's utterances.
Its still about politics.
Besides, even if it happens to primitive modern tribes one can't say morality was identical in prehistory. Even modern primitive humans evolve.
Besides, as I said what I remember about my own PL memories was that that group was required to sacrifice its male and female figureheads. So even prehistoric people seem to have engaged in some form of politics. Your still describing a hippy commune to me.
