Ian's story.
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AryaBhatta
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Wow :cool, I am just amazed by your experiences with your son, I'm really fortunate enough to track your experience as it unfolds in real time, please keep updating, are you planning to contact any researcher or therapist in near future?:thumbsup: to share this experience?
W.A. HEART
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Same here!
Welcome LiWei!! :thumbsup:
4mysonK
4mysonK
Update:
Before Christmas, we were in a craft store to get ornaments, and I was choosing unusual things to put on the tree. The beaded strands used to make jewelry were on sale, so I started looking at them. They were like short necklaces, and there were probably 50 different kinds. Ian went straight to a 'jade' one, and excitedly asked to get it for Soh-Soh. Then, he saw another and another he wanted---all 'jade.' I can't remember if I told him we'd get it for her later (a common response from me), or if I said he could have one after we were finished with the Christmas tree.
Anyway, when we were taking down the tree a few days ago, I said, "Oh yeah, you wanted one of these for Soh-Soh, didn't you?" He said he did, then went through all of the jade necklaces to see which "she'd like the best." (By the way, he ignored every other style.) Finally, he picked one with beads that looked like flat coins. I went to his room and tied the strand to the red and green ribbons he has tied to his window, which he keeps as a symbol of Soh-Soh and himself. Sweet, I think.
While we continued to take ornaments off the tree, I asked him if he'd ever married Soh-Soh. This has been a hanging question because he always acts as if the wedding is coming soon. (Sometimes, he has appeared confused as to whether or not they're already married.)
His answer might explain what he meant earlier by this life being his second chance with Soh-Soh. "Two chances." He said that "last time" he was too old for her, so they couldn't get married. Unfortunately, I don't quite remember the next part of our conversation, but it left me with the impression that he was much, much older---like man to young girl. Maybe this is why he's so excited about Soh-Soh being three and keeps reiterating that she's the "same as me." He even uses the term "age" over and over again. "We're the same age." It's not really that odd for Ian to use that term, but I'd guess that most 3-year-olds wouldn't.
*By the way, Ian asking for something for Soh-Soh is very common now. We rarely go into a store without him trying to put a little dress, shoes, toys, etc. in the cart for her. I usually tell him she needs to get her Mom to buy it, or I say he can get it for her later. He's fine with that. One day, I went to the bathroom in a store and he stood waiting with my Mother. When I came out, she pointed at a Christmas dress that looked to be the same size as maybe an 8 to 10-year-old girl. She thinks Soh-Soh is Ian's imaginary friend, so she doesn't mind mentioning her to him. Anyway, she said, "I showed this to him for Soh-Soh, but he..." I finished for her, "Said it was too big." "Yeah." "That's because she's three." I just left it at that. Ha!
Is it just me or does this irritate other people? I get that they simply DON'T KNOW about the situation, but every time the words "imaginary friend" come up, it bothers me. He doesn't talk into thin air and say it's her, run around playing with her, pretend she's sitting next to him, etc. In fact, if you say something about Soh-Soh and his communication with her, he acts like it's ridiculous to suggest she's actually "there." Ian is very consistent in saying that she lives in another place and that she's coming up in his life. Although he said once before, "She comes to my house," he was talking about how he knows about her. Otherwise, he's never remotely suggested she's been in his presence. That's what an imaginary friend is to me, if there's even such a thing. Anyone else feel this?
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Another thing: When we were taking a walk outside, he wanted to call her. An odd request, so, I handed him my cell phone. He didn't do or say anything unusual, except for leaving out, "I'm doing nothing." Ha! I suppose he's caught onto people asking---What are you doing?---at the beginning of a conversation.
Anyway, he walked ahead and I could hear him mumbling Yes and No---etc. When he handed the phone back to me, I asked what she'd said. I didn't expect this answer.
Ian: She said we (or you?) need to go to church.
Mom: Oh? Why?
Ian: To tell God you love Him.
Mom: Oh. Is it because we don't go to church?
Ian: Yes.
Mom: What kind of church? Any kind?
Ian: A working church.
Mom: What does that mean?
Ian: A church that works.
Mom: Does Soh-Soh go to church?
Ian: Yes.
I asked him what kind, but he snapped out of his serious voice and hopped along happily, like we weren't even having that conversation.
I know many of you don't believe in organized religion, and the board is very good about being open to any type of belief in God. For me, Ian's answer was a bit shocking, as I've been struggling with going to church for years now. It's a real issue for me, and I can't stress that enough. I wasn't even sure I should be going to church, being that I have panic attacks when I do go.
I guess I got my answer.
To answer any questions in your mind---No, we hadn't been talking about going to church at all. Yes, his voice and demeanor changed during those few moments.
Before Christmas, we were in a craft store to get ornaments, and I was choosing unusual things to put on the tree. The beaded strands used to make jewelry were on sale, so I started looking at them. They were like short necklaces, and there were probably 50 different kinds. Ian went straight to a 'jade' one, and excitedly asked to get it for Soh-Soh. Then, he saw another and another he wanted---all 'jade.' I can't remember if I told him we'd get it for her later (a common response from me), or if I said he could have one after we were finished with the Christmas tree.
Anyway, when we were taking down the tree a few days ago, I said, "Oh yeah, you wanted one of these for Soh-Soh, didn't you?" He said he did, then went through all of the jade necklaces to see which "she'd like the best." (By the way, he ignored every other style.) Finally, he picked one with beads that looked like flat coins. I went to his room and tied the strand to the red and green ribbons he has tied to his window, which he keeps as a symbol of Soh-Soh and himself. Sweet, I think.
While we continued to take ornaments off the tree, I asked him if he'd ever married Soh-Soh. This has been a hanging question because he always acts as if the wedding is coming soon. (Sometimes, he has appeared confused as to whether or not they're already married.)
His answer might explain what he meant earlier by this life being his second chance with Soh-Soh. "Two chances." He said that "last time" he was too old for her, so they couldn't get married. Unfortunately, I don't quite remember the next part of our conversation, but it left me with the impression that he was much, much older---like man to young girl. Maybe this is why he's so excited about Soh-Soh being three and keeps reiterating that she's the "same as me." He even uses the term "age" over and over again. "We're the same age." It's not really that odd for Ian to use that term, but I'd guess that most 3-year-olds wouldn't.
*By the way, Ian asking for something for Soh-Soh is very common now. We rarely go into a store without him trying to put a little dress, shoes, toys, etc. in the cart for her. I usually tell him she needs to get her Mom to buy it, or I say he can get it for her later. He's fine with that. One day, I went to the bathroom in a store and he stood waiting with my Mother. When I came out, she pointed at a Christmas dress that looked to be the same size as maybe an 8 to 10-year-old girl. She thinks Soh-Soh is Ian's imaginary friend, so she doesn't mind mentioning her to him. Anyway, she said, "I showed this to him for Soh-Soh, but he..." I finished for her, "Said it was too big." "Yeah." "That's because she's three." I just left it at that. Ha!
Is it just me or does this irritate other people? I get that they simply DON'T KNOW about the situation, but every time the words "imaginary friend" come up, it bothers me. He doesn't talk into thin air and say it's her, run around playing with her, pretend she's sitting next to him, etc. In fact, if you say something about Soh-Soh and his communication with her, he acts like it's ridiculous to suggest she's actually "there." Ian is very consistent in saying that she lives in another place and that she's coming up in his life. Although he said once before, "She comes to my house," he was talking about how he knows about her. Otherwise, he's never remotely suggested she's been in his presence. That's what an imaginary friend is to me, if there's even such a thing. Anyone else feel this?
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Another thing: When we were taking a walk outside, he wanted to call her. An odd request, so, I handed him my cell phone. He didn't do or say anything unusual, except for leaving out, "I'm doing nothing." Ha! I suppose he's caught onto people asking---What are you doing?---at the beginning of a conversation.
Anyway, he walked ahead and I could hear him mumbling Yes and No---etc. When he handed the phone back to me, I asked what she'd said. I didn't expect this answer.
Ian: She said we (or you?) need to go to church.
Mom: Oh? Why?
Ian: To tell God you love Him.
Mom: Oh. Is it because we don't go to church?
Ian: Yes.
Mom: What kind of church? Any kind?
Ian: A working church.
Mom: What does that mean?
Ian: A church that works.
Mom: Does Soh-Soh go to church?
Ian: Yes.
I asked him what kind, but he snapped out of his serious voice and hopped along happily, like we weren't even having that conversation.
I know many of you don't believe in organized religion, and the board is very good about being open to any type of belief in God. For me, Ian's answer was a bit shocking, as I've been struggling with going to church for years now. It's a real issue for me, and I can't stress that enough. I wasn't even sure I should be going to church, being that I have panic attacks when I do go.
I guess I got my answer.
To answer any questions in your mind---No, we hadn't been talking about going to church at all. Yes, his voice and demeanor changed during those few moments.
soulfreindly
Senior Registered
WOW...!!!!
You sound like you are walking a fine but wonderfully handled line there with Ian--- way to go :thumbsup:
I was wondering how you were handling his upfront conversations when around other people. I hope it does not get difficult for you at the stage where Ian is " too old" to have an imaginary friend.. I wonder if you got him to writing about his interests in a book for the purposes of having a way for him and you to continue exploring this important memory { ---ie---actually a diary } This way he could continue on past the baby stage of imaginary friends with discussing it with you..
About the going to church.. I relate about the panic attacks.. I would just give it time.. Ian has alot of time to grow up and find that love of his. You can keep finding a church in mind and just keep your eyes open for sometime down the line. THere are churches with more of a liberal side you may find some affinity to.. Also Soh Soh might be going to a church , but Ian may also be expecting too much and maybe he will meet her without you having to be a member of a church yourself. ... If you show him patience he will develop that very important skill as well.
Who knows maybe his interest in church right now is something to help you reflect on your gut response to religion and this is going to help you work at and move you forward in your soul growth.. After all he is your son and he does love you and wants to be of help to you too..
You sound like you are walking a fine but wonderfully handled line there with Ian--- way to go :thumbsup:
I was wondering how you were handling his upfront conversations when around other people. I hope it does not get difficult for you at the stage where Ian is " too old" to have an imaginary friend.. I wonder if you got him to writing about his interests in a book for the purposes of having a way for him and you to continue exploring this important memory { ---ie---actually a diary } This way he could continue on past the baby stage of imaginary friends with discussing it with you..
About the going to church.. I relate about the panic attacks.. I would just give it time.. Ian has alot of time to grow up and find that love of his. You can keep finding a church in mind and just keep your eyes open for sometime down the line. THere are churches with more of a liberal side you may find some affinity to.. Also Soh Soh might be going to a church , but Ian may also be expecting too much and maybe he will meet her without you having to be a member of a church yourself. ... If you show him patience he will develop that very important skill as well.
Who knows maybe his interest in church right now is something to help you reflect on your gut response to religion and this is going to help you work at and move you forward in your soul growth.. After all he is your son and he does love you and wants to be of help to you too..
4mysonK
4mysonK
Right now, Ian is still a bit concerned about speaking up about anything, as he's not sure he should be talking about IT, whatever IT is in his mind. To him, the whole topic is natural.
As far as being in public, it's just that notion of secrecy that's keeping him from saying too much to other people. He'll mention Soh-Soh, as he always has, just like he'd talk about me or his cousin or his aunt. That's it. Otherwise, he only tells ME things.
Oddly enough, after that last post of mine, my Mom called and told me something interesting.
When Ian visits his grandparents, he sometimes goes to Sunday school class. There aren't many kids, if any, in those country churches, so he's often not really in a 'class.'
My mom saw a lady who'd gone to Sunday school class with her little boy, and Ian happened to be in there. Being from a small town, she connected him to my parents, though he was really with my in-laws at the time. The woman stopped my mother to say that Ian was so unbelievably smart that the ladies in there couldn't believe it. Apparently, there wasn't much going on, so they started asking Ian questions. She said he knew the answer to every single question, no matter what it was! She was shocked. Mom said she went on and on and on about it because he'd made such an impression.
My Mom was shocked, too. She said, "I just can't believe that."
Given, my Mom reads some Bible stories to him. I've told him a few. He's been to Sunday school class before. But, every question? Unless he has a 'total recall' memory, and just so happened to have heard all those topics before, I don't have an explanation. (By the way, I'm his Mom, and I know. He DOES NOT have that great of a memory. Ha!)
Interesting.
*I should add that I don't know what questions they were asking him. Maybe they're not used to a child with that kind of vocabulary and maturity, so they were asking him childish things. *
As far as being in public, it's just that notion of secrecy that's keeping him from saying too much to other people. He'll mention Soh-Soh, as he always has, just like he'd talk about me or his cousin or his aunt. That's it. Otherwise, he only tells ME things.
Oddly enough, after that last post of mine, my Mom called and told me something interesting.
When Ian visits his grandparents, he sometimes goes to Sunday school class. There aren't many kids, if any, in those country churches, so he's often not really in a 'class.'
My mom saw a lady who'd gone to Sunday school class with her little boy, and Ian happened to be in there. Being from a small town, she connected him to my parents, though he was really with my in-laws at the time. The woman stopped my mother to say that Ian was so unbelievably smart that the ladies in there couldn't believe it. Apparently, there wasn't much going on, so they started asking Ian questions. She said he knew the answer to every single question, no matter what it was! She was shocked. Mom said she went on and on and on about it because he'd made such an impression.
My Mom was shocked, too. She said, "I just can't believe that."
Given, my Mom reads some Bible stories to him. I've told him a few. He's been to Sunday school class before. But, every question? Unless he has a 'total recall' memory, and just so happened to have heard all those topics before, I don't have an explanation. (By the way, I'm his Mom, and I know. He DOES NOT have that great of a memory. Ha!)
Interesting.
*I should add that I don't know what questions they were asking him. Maybe they're not used to a child with that kind of vocabulary and maturity, so they were asking him childish things. *
Hi 4mysonK!
I just read your recent posts and I am so excited with the updates! I was quite fascinated with the bit about how Liang and Soh-Soh had to live in a fur house and that they ran away from her parents. Seriously, wow. I have a strong feeling that Soh-Soh was indeed a member of the Imperial Family because only they were allowed to display the colour yellow in their rooms or on their clothing. So I can imagine them having to run away and hide, because obviously royalty weren't allowed to marry beneath them and Liang and Soh-Soh probably had incurred the emperor's wrath by getting married or wanting to be together. That could be a possible reason for Liang's death but that's just speculation.
Hehe, I think it goes without saying that jade is a favourite gemstone for Chinese people, probably because it is traditionally believed to bring safety to the wearer. I know how those beads look like and I am going to ask whether such shapes have any special meaning/significance.
I have been doing some brainstorming about the black stuff that Liang/Ian had to eat before he could enter the city. I remember reading Chinese stories (and watching movies, haha) that have people eating awful tasting medicine before they could do something fantastic. I am not really sure if I can explain this right, but there has always been this sort of a strong Chinese belief that the act of eating something special will lend magical abilities/qualities to the individual, and the more horrible tasting it is, the better.
Hope this helps! I am still asking around if anyone recognises the names or has seen the armour you mentioned.
Oh and thanks for the welcome, Karoliina and W.A. Heart!
I just read your recent posts and I am so excited with the updates! I was quite fascinated with the bit about how Liang and Soh-Soh had to live in a fur house and that they ran away from her parents. Seriously, wow. I have a strong feeling that Soh-Soh was indeed a member of the Imperial Family because only they were allowed to display the colour yellow in their rooms or on their clothing. So I can imagine them having to run away and hide, because obviously royalty weren't allowed to marry beneath them and Liang and Soh-Soh probably had incurred the emperor's wrath by getting married or wanting to be together. That could be a possible reason for Liang's death but that's just speculation.
Hehe, I think it goes without saying that jade is a favourite gemstone for Chinese people, probably because it is traditionally believed to bring safety to the wearer. I know how those beads look like and I am going to ask whether such shapes have any special meaning/significance.
I have been doing some brainstorming about the black stuff that Liang/Ian had to eat before he could enter the city. I remember reading Chinese stories (and watching movies, haha) that have people eating awful tasting medicine before they could do something fantastic. I am not really sure if I can explain this right, but there has always been this sort of a strong Chinese belief that the act of eating something special will lend magical abilities/qualities to the individual, and the more horrible tasting it is, the better.
Hope this helps! I am still asking around if anyone recognises the names or has seen the armour you mentioned.
Oh and thanks for the welcome, Karoliina and W.A. Heart!
McDebra
New Member
I've been reading this account with great interest!
I think I live about 70 miles from were you are. Keep working with your child the way you are doing. I think you are doing a wonderful job..I think that he may have protected you in a former life or may have been your parent since he watched over you during your illness and recuperation and when you were looking at what was under the rock.
And do you think the small glass doll house may have a crystal collectable?
I think I live about 70 miles from were you are. Keep working with your child the way you are doing. I think you are doing a wonderful job..I think that he may have protected you in a former life or may have been your parent since he watched over you during your illness and recuperation and when you were looking at what was under the rock.
And do you think the small glass doll house may have a crystal collectable?
4mysonK
4mysonK
Thanks everyone.
LiWei, it does seem like maybe Soh-Soh was a member of the imperial family, and he, a mere guard, fell in love with her, so they had to run away. Unfortunately, the king killed him before they could marry.
Sounds like a good romance novel, huh. :cool
McDebra, I also feel like he's my protector in this life. Sweet, isn't it?
LiWei, it does seem like maybe Soh-Soh was a member of the imperial family, and he, a mere guard, fell in love with her, so they had to run away. Unfortunately, the king killed him before they could marry.
Sounds like a good romance novel, huh. :cool
McDebra, I also feel like he's my protector in this life. Sweet, isn't it?
AKP
New Member
I have been so completely taken by your story.
Two things:
1. Dr. Harold Hill presents you with the easiest verification opportunity. That too, when just one doctor comes up with that name. Why not try to contact him or his nurse? There is nothing to loose, and all to gain.
2. I was curious if you ever asked him what he and others were wearing when he was in the dead city or on the golden mountain.
I myself felt like calling Dr. Harold Hill's office.
My best wishes. Hope to hear more from you.
AKP.
Two things:
1. Dr. Harold Hill presents you with the easiest verification opportunity. That too, when just one doctor comes up with that name. Why not try to contact him or his nurse? There is nothing to loose, and all to gain.
2. I was curious if you ever asked him what he and others were wearing when he was in the dead city or on the golden mountain.
I myself felt like calling Dr. Harold Hill's office.
My best wishes. Hope to hear more from you.
AKP.
4mysonK
4mysonK
AKP, I give you full permission to call that doc. :thumbsup: I'm chicken. Ha!
I'm not sure what could be said for them to freely give any information, anyway. Explaining the real reason for calling might cause some trouble.
I haven't asked him about what he was wearing in the dead city, but he has told me he was a "ghost boy" and was "invisible." Maybe I'll think to ask him next time we're talking freely.
This morning, he was telling us a dream about a monster and described it as "blonde." For him, monsters in the Dead City/Great Mountain are blonde, as you guys probably read in the earlier posts. Of course, this dream included Superman, so I'm thinking he wasn't communicating with the dead. Ha! Still, the continual "blonde" reference is interesting.
I'm not sure what could be said for them to freely give any information, anyway. Explaining the real reason for calling might cause some trouble.
I haven't asked him about what he was wearing in the dead city, but he has told me he was a "ghost boy" and was "invisible." Maybe I'll think to ask him next time we're talking freely.
This morning, he was telling us a dream about a monster and described it as "blonde." For him, monsters in the Dead City/Great Mountain are blonde, as you guys probably read in the earlier posts. Of course, this dream included Superman, so I'm thinking he wasn't communicating with the dead. Ha! Still, the continual "blonde" reference is interesting.
soulfreindly
Senior Registered
I dont see you could lose out if you emailed/phoned Harold Hill.. In my experience chiropractors are very open /flexible{hehe} people and it could be a great adventure for him too.
I still get goosebumps and like to go back and reread your post 4mysonK about how your son verified my past life/bardo memory of not being able to communicate at all in my state as a ghost.
I think it is just too exciting an investigation NOT to just bite the bullet and contact Harold.. if you have time.. AKP do you have the time??.. After seeing the program we had here in Canada about Past Life investigations, http://www.cbc.ca/pastlife/ With this free video linkhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6442358521854512834 ] it sure would be neat to have your case documented ...I suppose the hubby problem maybe 4myson???
I still get goosebumps and like to go back and reread your post 4mysonK about how your son verified my past life/bardo memory of not being able to communicate at all in my state as a ghost.
I think it is just too exciting an investigation NOT to just bite the bullet and contact Harold.. if you have time.. AKP do you have the time??.. After seeing the program we had here in Canada about Past Life investigations, http://www.cbc.ca/pastlife/ With this free video linkhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6442358521854512834 ] it sure would be neat to have your case documented ...I suppose the hubby problem maybe 4myson???
tanguerra
Moderator Emeritus
I don't think it is wise to annoy the good doctor personally. What would you say anyway?
"Excuse me, you don't know me, but do you have a little blonde haired daughter, because a boy I read about on the internet says he is going to marry her when he grows up....? He remembers his past lives you know, although he is only three...She used to be called Soh-Soh and they almost got married many centuries ago but unfortunately the king killed him..."
He would just think you were a kook. Even if this chap has a little blonde daughter (or not) what would be gained? How could you be sure there is only one Dr Harold Hill?
"Excuse me, you don't know me, but do you have a little blonde haired daughter, because a boy I read about on the internet says he is going to marry her when he grows up....? He remembers his past lives you know, although he is only three...She used to be called Soh-Soh and they almost got married many centuries ago but unfortunately the king killed him..."
He would just think you were a kook. Even if this chap has a little blonde daughter (or not) what would be gained? How could you be sure there is only one Dr Harold Hill?
4mysonK
4mysonK
^ROFL! Exactly, Tanguerra. I'd have no idea what to say.
Actually, I think Ian just said she went to this doctor, not that he was her father. I'd be cool with a doc for an in-law, but......:laugh:
Why would he even know what the doctor's name was? Don't you think that's strange? I mean, it's definitely odd that he'd say Harold Hill specifically, as we don't know anyone named Harold or Dr. Hill. Would Soh-Soh know? Ian doesn't know his doctor's name. Eh, another mystery. :cool
Actually, I think Ian just said she went to this doctor, not that he was her father. I'd be cool with a doc for an in-law, but......:laugh:
Why would he even know what the doctor's name was? Don't you think that's strange? I mean, it's definitely odd that he'd say Harold Hill specifically, as we don't know anyone named Harold or Dr. Hill. Would Soh-Soh know? Ian doesn't know his doctor's name. Eh, another mystery. :cool
MastiffMom
New Member
I did a Search for "Dr, Harold Hill" on dogpile hereare the ones I found some have passed over.
North Dallas Rehab and Wellness- Dr. Harold Hill
4222 Trinity Mills Rd
Dallas, TX 75287 Map
Dr. Harold Hill, MD
100 Mcgowan Court
Hot Springs, AR 71913
Dr. Cary Nelson, aka Professor Harold Hill
Northern Idaho College
Harold Hill
BSc (Psyc Hons), PhD (University of Stirling)
Dr. Harold Hill of U.S. naval hospital, Bethesda, MD
this was from an obituarie dated Dec. 8 1955
Dr. Harold Hill
AVALON CHIROPRACTIC
270 3rd Avenue, Suite 201 Kirkland, Washington 98033
Dr. Harold Hill (University of North Carolina)
Dr. Harold Hill,of Redlands California
San Francisco practice of Dr. Harold Hill.
January 2005
Advanced Telecommunications Research Labs (ATR), Kyoto, Japan
Aim of the internship: scientific collaboration with Dr. Harold Hill from ATR: facial movement data acquisition using an optical Infra-Red tracking device: the Optotrak (complementary method to the automatic lip-tracking method used at ICP) for French and Japanese speakers.
Dr. Harold Hill Smith, the geneticist whose research produced the first fusion of a cell from a human with one from a plant, died last Wednesday at a nursing home in State College, Pa. He was 84 and a resident of Shoreham, L.I.
Dr, Harold Hill, Romford Essex RM3 0DE. 02526986
North Dallas Rehab and Wellness- Dr. Harold Hill
4222 Trinity Mills Rd
Dallas, TX 75287 Map
Dr. Harold Hill, MD
100 Mcgowan Court
Hot Springs, AR 71913
Dr. Cary Nelson, aka Professor Harold Hill
Northern Idaho College
Harold Hill
BSc (Psyc Hons), PhD (University of Stirling)
Dr. Harold Hill of U.S. naval hospital, Bethesda, MD
this was from an obituarie dated Dec. 8 1955
Dr. Harold Hill
AVALON CHIROPRACTIC
270 3rd Avenue, Suite 201 Kirkland, Washington 98033
Dr. Harold Hill (University of North Carolina)
Dr. Harold Hill,of Redlands California
San Francisco practice of Dr. Harold Hill.
January 2005
Advanced Telecommunications Research Labs (ATR), Kyoto, Japan
Aim of the internship: scientific collaboration with Dr. Harold Hill from ATR: facial movement data acquisition using an optical Infra-Red tracking device: the Optotrak (complementary method to the automatic lip-tracking method used at ICP) for French and Japanese speakers.
Dr. Harold Hill Smith, the geneticist whose research produced the first fusion of a cell from a human with one from a plant, died last Wednesday at a nursing home in State College, Pa. He was 84 and a resident of Shoreham, L.I.
Dr, Harold Hill, Romford Essex RM3 0DE. 02526986
alaskanlaughter
Senior Registered
Wow I never thought there'd be so many Dr. Harold Hills out there.
alaskanlaughter
Senior Registered
Think about what you want to accomplish by finding the Harold Hill that he spoke of. Are you trying to find Soh-Soh where she's at now? Are you trying to just verify what he's saying? Maybe you have other reasons.
I'm also asking because, depending on what your goal is, there are different ways to go about it. I worked for 8 years as a reporter/photographer and also have done family genealogy work, all of which requires being fairly nosy.
Or perhaps you'd rather let it be. We all have our own comfort level with verifications. To some, it is extremely important. To others, it doesn't matter.
I'm also asking because, depending on what your goal is, there are different ways to go about it. I worked for 8 years as a reporter/photographer and also have done family genealogy work, all of which requires being fairly nosy.
Or perhaps you'd rather let it be. We all have our own comfort level with verifications. To some, it is extremely important. To others, it doesn't matter.
soulfreindly
Senior Registered
Yeh ,,, if we try and control and figure out too much mightn't that muck up the karmic flow somehow/? I think this is one of those things that you need to follow your inner heart, and no one can judge as an outsider. I can see making a point of it for the books , but as ALaskanlaughter pointed out it is alot of work.. Sometimes it brings important soul growth to verify things. THeir are pros and cons..alaskanlaughter said:
How are you feeling 4myson ? ... maybe if it is a strong desire then that is karmic to do some researching ---ie in your personal plans to do so for some reasons personal to you. I wouldnt let it get to you if you dont feel like pursuing it. Sure having a name does make it seem like something could be done, but that can be just another unneeded pursuit .
soulfreindly
If you did decide you wanted to contact these Harold Hill's, maybe it would be less scary and embarrassing for you if you got their email addresses and emailed them (you could ring their workplace to get their email address without having to talk to them, or maybe you can look people's email addresses up on the internet these days, I dont know). Not many people these days dont have an email address. That way, you could just send a link to this page with a little bit of text at the top of the email, saying something to the effect of: "you might think I'm crazy, but please could you have a look at this and let me know if you think it might be you?". Just an idea, incase you ever wish you could contact them.
Karoliina
Moderator Emerita
Yes, I know of such cases, and I think it's fairly common with people, who are well "in tune" with their spiritual side, but I don't know if I've ever heard of children reporting of these things - I just remember stories of adults being able to "visit" each other in the astral, out of body.4mysonK said:
Karoliina
4mysonK
4mysonK
I was redoing a bouquet of flowers for my friend, and after returning them to her, an almost wilted yellow rose was left on the counter. He found it, and asked if the flower was for Soh-Soh. I told him she could have it, and if he wanted to keep it, we should hang it up to dry. I pinned it upside down in his window, next to Soh-Soh's jade necklace and their red and green ribbons. Cute.
I draw the line at buying her that green dress he picked out! Ha! (He does have good taste. I must say.) *LOL!*
I draw the line at buying her that green dress he picked out! Ha! (He does have good taste. I must say.) *LOL!*
tanguerra
Moderator Emeritus
Personally it is not something I stress about too much and I would not suggest anyone worrying excesssively about the fate of little Ian and 'Soh-Soh'. What will happen is what will happen. If they are going to meet one day, that will happen. If he still remembers all this stuff when that day comes, that will happen. If she recognises him in some way when/if they do eventually meet, who knows? What might happen next? Who knows?
"Que sera, sera. What will be, will be", that's my motto!
You can drive yourself crazy worrying about the fine line between your 'fate' and your 'desire' and worrying about whether you are letting your fate unfold, or directing things too much...
In our human form, while we are incarnated, it is very difficult for us to see the 'big picture' or even a few feet in front sometimes! Somehow or other that must be how things are 'supposed' to be. Anyway, it's how it is, for good or ill.
In the case of my friend X I have sometimes made a big effort to overcome our present life disagreements and maintain the friendship no matter what. This is partly because I feel compelled to do so (fate?) and partly because it is my pleasure to do so (desire?) and because I don't really understand why, but I know somehow our fates are intertwined (what the?). I just do what feels 'right' to me. That is the only measure I have, but I think it's a pretty good one. What other people do is entirely up to them.
"Que sera, sera. What will be, will be", that's my motto!
You can drive yourself crazy worrying about the fine line between your 'fate' and your 'desire' and worrying about whether you are letting your fate unfold, or directing things too much...
In our human form, while we are incarnated, it is very difficult for us to see the 'big picture' or even a few feet in front sometimes! Somehow or other that must be how things are 'supposed' to be. Anyway, it's how it is, for good or ill.
In the case of my friend X I have sometimes made a big effort to overcome our present life disagreements and maintain the friendship no matter what. This is partly because I feel compelled to do so (fate?) and partly because it is my pleasure to do so (desire?) and because I don't really understand why, but I know somehow our fates are intertwined (what the?). I just do what feels 'right' to me. That is the only measure I have, but I think it's a pretty good one. What other people do is entirely up to them.