A few questions?

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  1. Li-la

    Li-la Senior Member

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    I am wondering if it is possible to be reincarnated if one's spirit has been placed in another realm than the one considered heaven (heaven being higher or highest realm?) I have been trying to understand more about the different realms in the spirit world that have been described.

    I have read about spirits building their own homes in "heaven", being there for some "time" (time is an illusion, right?) to then be reincarnated (wonder if their house still stands or what? Put up for sale or what? anyway, that is not one of the questions, sorry...).

    I suppose I am trying, even if I will never get the answer during this life time, if the (darn) house that I return to now and then (where my pl husband and one time my pl son is at is just pure fabrication) is real or built on nothing but my fears and (high) imagination skill.

    I am wondering if this is the pl husband's "heaven", that is that this house is where I would think was somewhere positioned on the lower realms.

    How to get someone out of the lower realms? Maybe no one can - except for the spirit who is there?

    I thought everything was so easy before. There is one heaven. One die. One go through the tunnel of light. One is home, one is in heaven. Simple as that.

    What if he went through the tunnel of light and this is where he ended up? This is his heaven? Even if it is a nice house and all that (but the surrounding is not, just a bit dark and a bit "foggy", and no one else seem to be around), there is even white plates and I have woken up in a dream (but still being in the dream few seconds more) washing them, being in the kitchen. On another occasion I was curled up in a sofa with my head resting to his shoulder and there was a light coming from one of the floor lamps beside the sofa as he was reading something. I always seem to wear a nightgown and be barefoot. On a third time in a dream it was as if his words came into my head that should I not go and change, that there was a dress on the bed. I remember looking down again, seeing those naked feet and that nightgown and being in a hallway, realizing I was Laura again and waking up. The feeling in the house is that when it is in the evening, when every chore is done, when one can just sit back and relax.

    Anyway. I know. Crazy questions. Still - if anyone out there has any experience it would be really nice to read them.

    Thank you for reading this :)

    Best Wishes

    Li La


    (please tell me if I go too far with this. I respect every religion and I respect those who don't believe in any religion...I don't judge anyone and I so don't have all the answers, it is just that I have been reading about the different realms...to me - before I thought heaven was the only realm when you are in the spirit world, but from my little experience I now feel a little confused about some things I have experienced, true or false, that is all)

    (a psychiatrist would perhaps say I was working through something on a subconscious level, or dreams mixed with pl memories, and I hope that is all there is to it, I hope this is not his heaven even if he did bad things in life, it is as if I as Laura see him in 2, the man before the war, and the man he became during the war and after.)
     
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  2. KenJ

    KenJ Assistant Archivist and Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Li La, I share your confusion, how can everything be Now, without Sequence of events? I would indeed like hat explained so that I understood it better. As far as "Heaven", I think that most descriptions are simply Human's attempt to explain something they have no idea about.
     
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  3. Polaris8

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    Li La,

    Having had some OBE in the past I can answer your question to some degree. However some of the questions you ask are a bit more complex in term of level of what man terms of heaven. First off there are many higher dimensions beyond the physical that man is not aware of. The laws of physics on these higher dimensions operate differently then on the physical due to the fact that they vibrate on a higher more finer level of matter than the physical. Therefore souls that live or have conscious existence there shape their reality thru thought and feeling. When a thought occurs on these levels of reality matter being much finer responds far quicker and shapes and molds itself to the thoughtform that created it. How long these thoughtform keeps it's shape and form depends on the individual soul that created it or in many cases the groups of souls that maintain these thought forms over time. So when we die we go into the light and gravitate towards that sub division or dimension that best suites that souls level of consciousness and level of awareness and spiritual evolution at the time of death.

    However once there many over time will evolve and grow and will move on to different levels of reality within the astral and mental planes or dimensions of being before decided to reincarnated again into the physical plane. A good website I would recommend to answer more of your question is below. Called the Multidimensionalman.

    As far as helping those on lower levels of the astral world there are many spiritual helpers and even some angels there to help those stuck in these lower levels to the middle or higher astral worlds depending in the mind set of those souls that have found themselves there due to many factors. However free will still plays a part of this so they must be willing to ask for the help in order to receive the help. Some do not for various emotional and mental reasons which then they will remain there until they are ready to release and let go of physical life here and the reason why they are there in the first place. Learning to forgive yourself and others is the first step towards inner healing and asking for help from those that are there to aid and help when needed.

    Anyway hope this helps some.

    Love and peace P.

    https://www.multidimensionalman.com...r_death_-_a_description_of_the_afterlife.html
     
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  4. fireflydancing

    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Li-la,

    The astral realms are even more complicated than you thought. According to my understanding, you're in an astral plane in your dreams with this former husband. It doesn't mean his Soul is living there. There are several possibilities. One is that you created that place by yourself because I understand that it started after your memories of your past life as Laura.
    With this type of creating astral 'reality', I have some experience.
    I have been working with a friend on her novel for several years. This friend has a natural ability to astral travelling (I don't, for me it is hard work to do that with very little effort) but she had never 'done' more exciting things than staying close to her body when it happened. So I started guiding her to expand her travels (first, of course, she came to my house, lol, but I couldn't see her presence, although she could tell me what had happened here) and then (among other adventures) she told me she had visited the house that she had created in her novel. Things became more interesting, she started to see her characters inside the house. I told her she should try to interact with them. Later I also told her she should make interviews with them, ask them about their life and their role in this book. You see the picture, hahaha? I was guiding this friend what to do every next step, although I was not able to join her. Well, it became really interesting (call it weird) when those people had become independent entities. One young boy complained that his part in the story was not big enough. And the absent mother of the children (who had already died before the novel started and who had no active role) was there as well. Strong and evil as she was created.

    One day, I managed to visit the house too. It took me a lot of effort. My friend and I had decided to astral travel at the same moment, to the same place. The problem is that my 'method' is different from normal astral travelling, it's more like splitting my consciousness and doing the same thing with higher frequency. So I went there, walked through the house until the moment I decided to 'materialize' because I wanted to touch things. feeling the structure of the couch and so. That very moment my friend, who was there as well, started to see me, when I lowered my frequency. I wasn't aware that she was in the kitchen together with 'the mother'.

    Another example of creating thought forms are the so-called tulpas. One of my children was fascinated by this and told me about them. People are able to create entities by will power and it seems they will start to have their own life.

    The second explanation of visiting that astral house in your dreams is that you are still very attached to your former family. It also doesn't mean that their Souls are not in Heaven. It's just their old astral shells (their old energies). You think mentally that you moved on but emotionally you're still linked to their old energies.
    I also have experience with meeting old energies of past life people, twice. They came to me strongly only for me to discover they were aspects/old energy forms of someone who is alive at the moment. They had intelligence and their own agenda but in hindsight, the communication was like a recording that sent out their messages. But as I said, it was intelligence, not like cartoon figures. They are completely gone since I've talked this over and over with this living person who first refused to take the 'ownership' of his old emanations. Now he's convinced because of things that shocked him as well.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    @Polaris, we had an overlap, saying things alike... :p
     
  6. Li-la

    Li-la Senior Member

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    Thank you very much. You have given me a lot to think about.

    This is just me in a nutshell. I have spent years worrying about what happened to my past life children, when I was Anna and died in the 1970's, only to find out they were OK many years later (what a blessing) and things had worked out well for their father too, remarried and all (I'm not surprised). After his death I have experienced meeting him, one time in a dream and another during meditation when he suddenly came around calling me "cookie" (I was on constant diet pills & eating cookies, not the best diet recommendation...). Anyhow, he was fine. Somehow I always knew he would be. I use to envy his strength in life. So once that chapter is finished I just had to discover the past life as Laura, the son who died young, and the complex husband, to worry me. One way or another I have to figure this out and be able to finish this chapter too, hopefully with a happy ending.

    Thank you again so much for sharing :)

    Best Wishes

    Li La
     
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    Li-la Senior Member

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    If you don't mind I would like to share my thoughts and conclusions to help clear my mind set and I welcome anyone's thoughts very much. After having read now your replies and the multidimesionalman.com (which is so great,by the way) I believe (at the present, at least) that this is the past life husband's "heaven". The dimension I go to in my dreams sometimes. This because of the surrounding described in the lower dimensions and that we, when we dream, access this dimension among those who are dead and are there. I think if I would have been the creator of the house then I would have it more colorful and also the surround would be more of this.

    If I could rewind a little...in a past life as Anna, that is the life that happened after Laura died (the one married to the past life husband), she/I saw the past life husband. She saw him as a ghost standing behind, close to her current husband. That was one big warning sign. At the time I think Anna thought she was mental. I could tell that the household could sometimes, for no reason, changing in this air of family members being very irritated. Then it would go away. The same thing has happened and still happens in my household. Now, I know that people can get irritated for no reason at times, we are all human, but that is not what I am talking about. This kind of irritation is something I directly see coming from the past life husband. I have felt it a lot during my life but somehow I did not identify them as my feelings and so I am used to blocking them. I knew they were coming from somewhere else. Don't ask me how I knew this, but I did. That is not to say that I can not get irritated at times, I can, but it is as if I know when it is coming from me and the reason for it. The kind of irritation and anger that I am talking about is the one that I as Laura saw coming from the husband in full dose as an alcoholic after the war. What I can remember he could get irritated before the war too, in his own way, but by then he was no alcoholic and he did not have any physical pain from an injury.

    During a past life regression meditation I remember being in his embrace by a tree looking out on the festivals taking place in the town, on the street, where the ships went to deliver the soldiers after the war had finished. We were going home to his mother's, I think, or some other lady we knew, she chose to be dressed in black, but I feel she had lost someone and that it was in respect of those we had lost. We had a great dinner planned, she and I, upon his return. He was dressed in his military clothing and I was dressed up in clothes I would not wear when being in my every day life on the ranch. I remember during the meditation, there by the tree, watching the celebration on the street, as he "said" to me "This is just a pretty picture".

    It may not be that I am suppose to remember visiting a wooden house, but I do - little glimpses here and there. The earliest memory of this is when I think I was still Anna. It was strange weather then, storm, rain, darkness that I can't describe existing here on earth. I was knocking on the front door, and had a hood on me to protect from the weather from the kind of coat from the 1950's and he opened but I could never remember what his face looked like. I came inside. I had an old black bible in my hands, (Anna was catholic) and he threw it to the floor. I picked it up and on a page where I had an old dried flower in. It is only now that I realize that I was in that same house and he was the same man. (when I opened my own grandmother's bible I found an old dried flower in it, she had psychic ability, from my understanding, but my mother always ignored it, I don't know if it is customary to keep flowers in your bible).

    During my latest glimpses of being in the house it starts to get more and more cozy, more light in. My latest glimpse is that we are playing chess, he and I, and the boy is not there. It is in the evening so the assumption is perhaps that he is asleep or something. My hope is that it will keep getting more colorful and cozy til the past life husband, if that is now really him that is, will go to the next dimension, that he will change from the within. I am not as frighten either as I was when I first started to walk to the house. When I saw glimpses of me playing chess with him I was dressed as Laura, not in her old nightgown but with a blouse and a skirt on and a women belt around the wast, in a dream last night. It was more the feeling of two old friends being careful around each other. I did not catch any of the old attraction that ought to exist between husband and wife. (Which is really good or else I would feel sort of guilty towards my own husband).

    Best Wishes
    Li La
     
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    Li-la Senior Member

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    I did a meditation today and before I knew it everything caught up with me. Laura's emotions. She blamed much on herself for the fate of her first husband. The decisions she had made along the way for it to end up like this. Then it wasn't as if they got a chance to say goodbye either. She saw his body hanging from a tree, outside their home. She thought back and back again on their last meeting, when he was dressed up in his fine Sunday clothing, and they were in this small dining room where she lived with friends or relatives that took her in after she had left her husband. How he promised her that he would return to the church, how he would not drink. He wanted another chance. She rejected him, and I think it was because she had gotten gradually more frighten of him as time had passed, he was damaged after the war. The bare thought of returning to live on the isolated ranch was enough to stir her up in a panic state. So any way, I think that is why she/I am returning, but this time to a different wooden home and spend time with him there in my dreams. I am hoping Firefly is right, that it is not his soul that is there, but maybe a part of him still is, as well as she is/I am. I am hoping it can be as simply as both forgiving each other and both moving on, but it is one thing to say it and another to have one's inside to actually do it and change.

    Best Wishes
    Li La
     
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    Fireflydancing, Yes I agree. You went into more detail than I but both of us where on the same page never the less.

    I wish I could control my OBE more however that is not the case with me. Usually my trigger for them is during a lucid dream. Then I can have a conscious OBE which then the experience is far more different. Usually those that are just dreaming are not truly aware of what is really happening at the time because the subconscious still tied to the lower ego which filters out much of what is really happening at the time and instead uses images or symbols to relate to the consciousness of the physical brain. ect.. However once you can shift conscious awareness between physical and astral awareness one discovers that the two state of being are actually connected on some level.

    As our inner world plays a large part of what is manifested here in the physical and vice versa. As the astral senses over millions of years of evolution have become familiar with receiving input from the physical body and then when we dream at night plays out what has happen during the days events. The astral body will float above the physical while dreaming as this is natural for this to happen. However even though mans astral body is fully developed at this stage of our evolution and is capable of traveling on it's own as a independent vehicle for consciousness on astral place while the body sleeps this usually does not occur. Simply because for lack of a better word we are lazy to do so. Only when death takes place is consciousness forced to center itself now in the astral body since the physical is now gone as it has no choice now.

    Sadly because of this many find there afterlife experience at first to be rather confusing as they are not accustom to their new surroundings and the laws of physics that operate on that dimension of our universe. However like you and a few other people on the planet those that have learn to developed their ability to travel outside of the body and become familiar with life on the other side will have a much easier transition when physical death does occur as they know what to expect.

    Any who! loved reading about your adventures on the other side of life.

    Peace and love. P.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Hi Polaris,

    Thanks for the link of the Mentalman. I started reading and of course, I was hypercritical (my inner computer program) but it did give me insights that did help me a lot. This Mentalman gave nice descriptions of astral planes but he made some crucial mistakes. The biggest is that he denies accepting other peoples reports, based on the 'fact' that he hasn't experienced the same.

    He also assumes that when we die we all end up in some kind of astral plane. But our astral body doesn't equal our Soul, just as our physical life/body doesn't. In my opinion, our Souls do the same in the astral planes as they do in the physical planes, just experiencing situations and playing and creating (even horrible scenarios). It's not our entire Souls that are involved, just fragments, ego fragments. I know, I am hypercritical (I am a Virgo, lol) but I acknowledge he has a lot of interesting stuff on his site that I do agree with.

    The most of my astral experiences are in my sleep, so I am not a conscious traveler but I do know exactly the difference between a 'normal' dream and an astral dream. In the latter, it's the emptiness. No stories, hardly to no other people. I just wander around through buildings and places. Funny enough I keep on searching for 'my home' in my (astral) dreams and every time I find a nice place to stay, I hear it's already inhabited, although I never see people around. I've walked through countless huge communal buildings (size of a village or small city), sometimes beautiful, sometimes shabby. The main characteristic is that there are no formal 'borders' between the living spaces. It is technically possible to walk in and out other people's living spaces but you are supposed not to do that, just by knowing how to respect and stop walking. You could compare it to a beehive, all the cells are connected but they are all designated to different people. Sometimes, in the heart of the buildings, there is a huge church or a concert hall where people can come together. I've always been a visitor, not a resident.
    I also travel a lot through the world, although... the map of the world is a bit different from waking life, hahaha. And always I am alone, no other people involved (except now and then for some highly meaningful meetings with people/spirits more important/experienced than me).

    So now after reading the site of Mentalman, I suddenly realized that maybe I do visit those astral planes but not as an astral visitor. I start to realize that I probably use another kind of vehicle of which I lack the name. Like in this story with my girlfriend S., in which we both went to the same place (a house). She was there in her astral body, could see and interact with people living there. I came into an empty house, didn't see my friend, nor other people and only the very moment I decided to lower my frequency, she, later on, told me she saw me suddenly appear on the exact spot where I decided to do that.
    So maybe, all those empty complexes and landscapes and empty cities I visit are inhabited on an astral level, but I can't see them because my energy is not astral but from a different kind. Maybe it's called the mental body or it has another name and that could explain other experiences I had in which I just 'split' myself and stay conscious of my physical body but at the same time I 'go to places'. But I can interact with people who do the same thing, who use that same 'vehicle' and it physically hurts in my physical body when they decide to touch me. That's awful although never meant to hurt me.
     
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    I like very much to read what you both are describing.

    I have never voluntary, except for when I was a child but then I moved in this reality, I think (leaving my body and thinking everyone could fly if they wanted to...), tried to leave my body and do astral traveling. I don't think I would know how to. When it has happened it has been by accident and by then I can not remember any of the symptoms one "ought" to have, and afterwards I have tried to think perhaps it was a dream after all, although another part of me knew it was not ...

    I wonder if any of you have suddenly "awoken" like I have while being what I think is the astral plane to then try to rush back? If we go there "by accident" at night then we are not suppose to remember that we do, right? Do I understand this in the correct manner? (still insecure about all of this).

    It does feel as if my glimpses of suddenly "waking up" and finding myself near or in the past life husband's home is by me an accident, but as Laura intentionally. I know we are one of the same, but I don't know how to really explain this otherwise.

    Is it abnormal to just be "waking up" and to only remember glimpses?

    It seems like you both remember all your journey in the astral plane and that you remember having gone there deliberately.

    Please forgive all my foolish questions, but I would appreciate your experienced response(s) :)

    Best Wishes
    Li La

    PS To just take an example. The glimpses I remember of being dressed as Laura and playing chess with the past life husband...Laura was sitting on the floor and then there was the chess on the table and then on the sofa sat her husband and played chess with her. After i questioned why Laura sat on the floor, why not a chair or something, but it felt as if this was natural for her, like she was aware of the "pyramid" order between husband and wife back then. Had it been me - like the current me - I would not sit on the floor. I don't know, maybe it is nothing, but a feeling.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Dear Li-la/Laura,

    I think you underestimate the power of Creation that we all have. You too. Especially in astral planes, nothing can happen to you that you don't want to happen. You are not the victim of your ex-husband, you just step into that role to experience. I can't tell you if he participates in this game or whether it is all your own creation. Maybe even both or not.

    Yeah, this only seems to happen when I am not conscious out of the body. Sometimes I wake up completely disorientated by accident (an alarm clock or noise from a family member in the house). Those are weird moments. I can't recall who I am, my name, no idea of time or location. I just lay there, trying to recall my own name, trying to find out where this body is laying down, what day, any context at all has to be reconquered.

    When you had a conscious OBE, you would remember every single detail. When it was an unconscious OBE, disguised a dream (but you know it was not a normal dream), your memory might fail you.

    Nope. I wished it was.
     
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    Li-la Senior Member

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    Hi, Firefly!

    Thank you very much for taking the time to answer so quickly and for the answers themselves :)

    Now I am leaning towards my experiences being what you wrote " it was an unconscious OBE, disguised a dream". It was interesting to read that you too have waken up not knowing who and where you are. I have only few times woken up like that after meditation, but thought that I have only been sleeping (but then again one ought to remember who one is after that...). Then there was the time I was freaked up looking down at my body and thought I was dying because the scenery was the same as when I died as Anna. I think I always have this fear that my body will reject me (being dead or something) which is why I am on a conscious level, at least, afraid to try out-of-body-experience (if I would now be able to do it, that is).

    I think Laura had a alcoholic co-dependence with her husband. Not that she drank herself, but that she was mentally feeling how he was doing and then adapting to his emotions. That is not to say she was this angel all the time, but the few times I remember that she became "a rebel" is when she was protective of someone else, like one time when he wanted to whip a horse that was untamed, and wanted it to learn to be intimidated by him - then I remember her screaming at him to stop it and trying to get the horse away from his whip. The other when he destroyed the letter her boyfriend had written her before his death in battle during her break up with her husband, when she bit her husband's fist. And the time she left him and the home in the middle of the night.

    I suppose I am hoping that I can get rid of my strong fear by coming to some sort of understanding with this past life husband - ghost, so that I will be free. I have been afraid of him for a long time, and it seems almost out of my control, it is that raw and that instinct of fear dominating so quickly. I don't wish to be this chicken no more. I have to beat this, somehow.

    Thank you :)

    Best Wishes
    Li La
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Li La,

    You need to heal that place inside of you that is broken and filled up with fear. Fear, anger and other negative emotions can't hurt (or reach you) when there is no place inside of you that connects to it. Heal yourself, grab your own power for yourself.

    Some reincarnation therapists use a special kind of therapy. I am not a fan of it but in your case, it would be healthy to give it a try. They let you go back into your memories and ask you to change the course of events. So, in your case, you could start to stand up against the dominant character of your former husband. Imagine to be a huge ball of fire (or white light or whatever that works for you) and resist his abuse. Just block it (still in your memories). Make him step back. Make yourself untouchable. Maybe this is too heavy for you to do alone and you could try to find a reincarnation therapist to work with you (if you can afford it).
    So, it's not fighting back, it's just to empower yourself and demand to be respected the way you are.

    You can do the same with the paranormal activity in your house. First, you've got to know that poltergeist phenomena mostly have their origin in living people. Never underestimate your own power of creation. Often it happens with young adolescents or people in puberty who cause poltergeist phenomena. The way you described the events. always made me think it was your own energy, at least most of it. The way you struggle with the energy of this former husband could be compared to a person who is not allowed to grow up and kept as a kind of child (although this person grows older in years). It can be old (and rebellious) energy of your former self that still resides within your current being, the energy of a woman that was denied to become a mature adult female.
    But.... it doesn't matter. Clean your own house from unwanted energies by occupying your own space. Meditate to find your own energy centered in yourself and expand yourself, make your aura/energy as big as your entire house. Push out what doesn't belong there, fill your house with a bright white light that origins from within you.
    (If it's too difficult to radiate white light from inside out, you could visualize that it comes through you from above (ask help from God, angels, spirit guides). This white bright light comes down to you and consequently, you'll radiate it to your surroundings. )
     
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    Hi Firefly,

    thank you very much for great advice. Looks like I have some work to do. I will do my best : )

    I am not used to the thinking that it can be me that create the poltergeist activity. Then again I am still surprised that people like the people you described your friend created from her book can exist on astral plane. I am not questioning it, I just have not melted it yet.

    I can understand that when I come out of meditation that the poltergeist activity starts if it starts alone from strong emotions ruling during my meditation and before it has all landed in my thoughts. Even if this too is strange and frightening that I could do that without knowing it. I thought before it had to do with me being visible to the other side (because there has been times when, right in the middle of my past life meditation, that gets interrupted by a picture or small "film" from someone else that I don't know and that can't be past life memories, that is different spirits, I gather?)

    What I don't yet understand, if I am behind the poltergeist activity, is how could my young daughter give the detailed prescription of the ghost she has seen since she was too little to use words (by her own description, later) day and night to look just like the past life husband, this years before I experienced Laura's past life husband from meditation.

    A friend of mine who's mother has psychic ability would often say that for years she saw a dark shadow "man" around me, which made her feel uncomfortable. (this was too years before I did meditation and found out about Laura and her husband) One day she said there was a dark shadow and it feels like definitely male - and he is definitely drawn to you.", she asked if I had seen, noticed it too, and apologized at the same time saying she did not mean to frighten me, then she continued saying, as if it would be some sort of comfort, that "he is drawn to you, I think, because he likes you. He does not like other people.". She began to describe quickly in a low voice to me, disapproving, that he was someone bossy, and someone who could get unpleasant. She got upset as she talked and told me she wanted to leave, if we could just go out for a walk and so we did to catch some fresh air. I asked if it could be the house (thought maybe a man who had lived there before) when she said she had seen him all these years, and it does not matter where I was when she saw me - because that dark shadow was with me then too. At that time, at most, I would see something at the corner of my eye, quickly, but that was all and I did not know if I had imagined it.

    There has, out of the blue, been very loud noises of porcelain breaking and other things - like violently loud noises - that other people beside myself hear, happening in my house and get frighten of, but when I came down (if it happened on the first floor) I found nothing to be broken. One time it went on for an hour, my daughter crying upstairs and refusing to have me go downstairs to check out what it could be. It really sounded as if a person downstairs was turning everything upside down. I was busy trying to give her any logic explanation for it but she looked very mistrusting. My husband was off to work, so it was just us and I was in a good mood before this erupted, and so was my daughter. Could it be me that created those noises without having done any meditation, without yet knowing of Laura's life? I know this is not easy to answer, this is just one of the thoughts I have of this. Maybe it has to do with past lives existing simultaneously with my own current life because there is no time? (God, this almost give me a head ache). I can understand if I after I discovered the past life as Laura created, somehow, these above described events, but they happened before I knew. Then again my soul knew and somehow created the sounds anyhow?

    It was not until years later I realized that the smashing sound of porcelain breaking and everything else fitted in the scenery of Laura and her husband's home, and the fight, or the time she was grieving the death of their son and began to smash everything in a room until her husband showed up with a shocked expression, stern look and taking out a leather belt around his pants, and holding it in his hand as a type of warning (but he didn't use it), but when he did it was as if she woke up from her rage and tears, was numbed and took steps back as he was walking towards her, staring at her.

    There is this scene that I can't get out of my head from when Laura was a child and church people took her in and asked her questions about the small fires in her home and other things, if she did not do it, then who did it, and she said she didn't know. Could it be Laura herself that created those fires with her strong feelings alone? I could tell she was a serious child and keeping a lot inside. From what I have seen her mother or stepmother was not very nice to her. I have tried to search and only found that some think the fires can be started by evil entities, but it really felt as if they thought it could be Laura doing this herself.

    Sorry, I go on about this. I will stop now. I would very much like to hear of your experience, opinion of this, it would mean a lot to me, but if you are fed up with all this, I get it, the way I go on and on about this, and thank you very much for everything you have answered so far :)

    Best Wishes

    Li La
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Hi Li La/ Laura,

    I honestly don't know what it is with this ex-husband. I still believe you're at least partially the origin of the phenomena. Interesting stories about Laura and the fires. Yes, I've heard about spontaneous fires but I've never studied that much. The funniest story is from my cousin and really happened (although I did not witness). She was celebrating her birthday with some friends when a new friend rang at the door for the first time in his life. That very moment two candles started burning out of nothing (spontaneous fire so to say, be it on a small scale). The guests got frightened to the max. It was her future husband (still happily married).

    I also have experience with objects moving, sounds and many other strange things. It doesn't frighten me, I just consider it to be energy that is not balanced, whether it is me or from another source. I know I've caused 'things' when my focus of attention is very concentrated. I've been called a 'witch' now and then but I just shrug my shoulders. It's all just energy and when there is a high concentration of it, it needs to release itself one way or another. If you were able to do paranormal things in your past life, you bet you're able to do them now too. Causing strange phenomena is an indication of an unbalanced or blocked energy system or an energy system in the hyperdrive.
    I can't tell you which part of your story is caused by forces from outside and which part is caused by yourself. I don't know.
    Most important is to leave the victim role and grab your own power. Just take responsibility for everything that is happening in your life, without judgment. Clean up your life, your house, your energies. Throw out what doesn't serve you (like annoying ex-husbands and other useless ghosts). And never, ever underestimate your own personal power.
     
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    Hi Firefly!
    Yes, I think too that I accidentally cause some of the poltergeist activity although again this is so strange of me to think in these terms but I think you are right. I am going to do the work you have given advice of. Very interesting to hear about what you are able to do, I do understand that they call you a witch but with a good intention behind it. This may come of as a peculiar question but I figure I might as well take a chance asking you: the time when there was so much noise in my home, porcelain breaking and so on - could it have been my past self as Laura creating this? I remember as she was trashing the place that her emotions were very strong, the rage and grief over her dead son. These sounds were not just in my head, my daughter heard them, they were very loud. Of course you can not know but it would be fascinating to know if there has been other cases like this when the past knocks for a visit in terms of poltergeist activity. Do you know of any such? Just thought I take a chance and ask you (but get it if you are sick of this, ha ha). I won't ask anymore. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.

    Best Wishes
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    You still do, never stopped.

    All I can think off is: What was the trigger? These sounds belonged to your own past, so why did this rage come out? You said you were relaxed at that very moment. Maybe it happened just because you were relaxed. What happened before? Did you experience something the night before, or even days before, that triggered this rage to come out?
    Were you fully awake when it happened or half-sleeping? Sometimes you can be awake but not fully. For example, I sometimes hear impossible noises when I am in bed, that seems to originate from the empty attic. Like scratching sounds, like someone is moving furniture, like someone is removing single bricks out of the wall. I never understood until I spontaneously began to experience astral travels that more or less failed (me really leaving the body but I stayed stuck in total darkness and didn't go far from the body and heard... awful noises) This means that even awake (the other times when I hear disturbing noises) you can experience some characteristics of the astral, perhaps it has to do with our brainwaves already functioning at that level. Funnier, I was once laying in bed, a bit lazy laying, and I swear I heard someone opening my bedroom door with some force (behind my back), asking: Coffee?!! That voice was loud and clear. I answered: Yes, please! I got out of bed and only when I walked in the hallway I realized there was nobody home, except for me. It had been an auditive hallucination and so very convincing.

    Anyway, you said your daughter could hear the noises too, so maybe there must be another explanation. If she's able to see ghosts, she must be very sensitive herself and being your daughter (which means a close and strong connection) maybe she could tap into your experience. I am just speculating because I don't know what happened to the two of you.
    Did it happen after or before you remembered being Laura? If it happened after I don't find it very strange that the rage wanted to get out. Old frozen energy that wants to get out. I can only compare it to what happened to me recently after I had remembered being a young (sweet) Mayan girl who was taken from her home to somewhere else where she finally died being religiously sacrificed. For several weeks I was consumed by rages and fire in my daily life. This was absolutely not comfortable. It took me a lot of effort to just let the rages 'rage their way out' and not projecting it to my surroundings.

    I just Googled the words poltergeist activity and found this article/site.
    "Determining the difference between poltergeist activity and ghosts or haunting activity can be difficult. While ghost and haunting activity is the result of spirit energy, poltergeist activity—also known as "recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis" or RSPK—is the result of psychic energy generated (usually unconsciously) by a person, referred to as an agent."
    https://www.liveabout.com/signs-of-poltergeist-activity-2595928
    As I said earlier, poltergeist phenomena usually come from living people, it's not a haunting coming from the past. Of course, there might be cross-links. Maybe the spirit of your late husband came by to see you, I don't know. Maybe remembering him made the connection stronger. Maybe your subconscious recreated his image somehow. Maybe a little bit of all the options above mixed up in a confusional cocktail. Maybe (because of unfinished business) you still carried his image with you all your life, not as a haunting ghost but as an imprinted memory in your soul and this psychic friend of yours connected telepathically with your memories and confused it with a spirit. So many possibilities.

    If you still think it's his ghost that haunts you, you could also invent your own ritual to cut the bonds between the two of you. It's harmless (as far as I know). Invent your own ritual (spiritual) divorce ceremony, cut the cords and let go. Maybe this works for you.



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    This site is amazingly interesting. Perhaps this might be of interest to you too, LiLa. A story how people invented/created their own ghost.
    https://www.liveabout.com/how-to-create-a-ghost-2594058


     
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    Hi, again FireFly!

    Thank you so much (again) for bothering to answer me :) You are right about a lot of points, and i will try the divorce-ceremony if it can help me on a mental level.
    When me and my daughter heard the strong sounds of someone wrecking porcelain and going wild downstairs it was - I swear to God - long before I ever experienced a past life as Laura. I can't remember if anything stressful had happened days before or something like that, could be, I don't know. There has been other times when there has been similar things/sounds and when for instance my daughter had a friend over - and they jumped up in air out of fear as it came so suddenly, without anything happening, the friend jumped first and was ready to run outside. There has also been other activity that my husband hear and notice and he is a firm non believer of ghosts. There has been a lot of times when I have thought that I am the only one who is hearing this and so I say nothing but then other people start to react at once and are like "what the hell was that?!". I have also had what you have - but not someone nice who asks if I want coffee ; ) but rather one time someone sounding like a small child in panic - screaming right in my ear. I jumped up and rush out to find my daughter perfectly calm in another room wondering why I came rushing in like some lunatic. The screaming in my ear happened during the time when there was a lot of paranormal stuff happening and when I was sick all the time, so yeah, I think I was very open to then hear things that perhaps no one else could hear. I don't know if my daughter's past life could have anything to do with this but that is perhaps taking it too far. She reminds me very much of the young woman who brought Laura in her own family to help watch their child, do chores and finish her education. I saw her show up when Laura was a child, at a party, and touching her hair and having the same essence my daughter has, and later as Laura was a teenager I could tell she lived with them. If this was truly my daughter, then she was a Mormon and someone that I somehow suspect to either herself having had some psychic ability or her husband, who was a priest; then again I have not much real proof to go by to know if this was really the case. It is only in my past life experience I realize that the husband knew her husband and that was how he came to know Laura too, in time. I have been told that my daughter is highly sensitive and she has this pleasant and thoughtful persona to her, and a lot of times seems older than she is and her true compassion for people has always touched me. Sorry, I come of as one of those bragging moms ;) I can't help myself, anyhow, I use to be put aside and told by teachers that it could be a problem that she was so sensitive, that she was different from the rest, but the truth is it has never been a problem and she hasn't been bullied. She is the one who has said she has seen him and she has for years refused to be alone on one floor if I am on another, she sees the shadow-man basically everywhere and once we had things "cleaned" she then complained about all the other ghosts waking her up at night and not letting her sleep so she said she missed the "first ghost" (which I never thought she would say or do) because she believed he protected her from the others and let her sleep. I have always been very careful when talking to her about these things, she has been the one to talk to me about it and because my husband is a non believer and I don't wish to freak her out I have mostly just said alright and don't be frighten and so on. I have asked for help on the other side to make our home safe and sound for our daughter and to please give me guidance on how to help her in the best way I can. We always let her show her anger if she is angry, we are not very strict people and we can be honest and direct with one another in this household so I do hope she does not keep things inside which then bubbles up in other energies.
    I really do enjoy hearing of your experience, and I thank for the link, I searched too before on google and found different things, but enjoy hearing it more from someone experienced like you, firefly :) thank you for the link and the video, it was new to me.

    Best Wishes
    Li La
     
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    fireflydancing,, One of my best friends is a Virgo so detail, detail, detail. Also they very much honor loyalty in friendship. My sun sign is Cancer on the cusp of Leo with Aries rising as I was born at midnight on a full moon. So it makes for an interesting karmic mix for me. Any hoo! The website is called Multidimensionalman. And you are correct. Our astral body is not our soul. It is just one of mans inner bodies that we use while operating within the lower worlds of dulality of time, space and matter.

    So while incarnated we all have a physical, astral, mental and causal/soul body which are all intertwined and working together in unison as one. So in reality soul lives and operates in many dimensions all at the same time. However most human beings are only aware of being of the physcial as this is where most of our conscious awareness if focused on. However sometimes while we sleep we can be aware of our astral body while dreaming. Each lifetime we live we recieved a new phyiscal, astral and mental body which has no memory of our past lives. It is only in the causal or soul body that has memory of all of our past lives as it is eternal in nature. And is the actually real you. Soul. All the other bodies mention are only used as tools and vechicals of expression while living in these lower dimensions including the physical. So when we die it is a process of shedding off each layer or outer body as soul shifts inwards into the next inner body. There is where we live our first part of our heaven life on the astral until the process repeats itself again as soul sheds its astral body once it's lifetime on the astral is over. Then it goes on into the mental plane. There the process continue again until it sheds its mental body. Then soul is back where it started from on the soul plane once again. From the Causal plane soul will determine if it needs further rebirth into the lower worlds of duality again.


    However many are not aware of this process so when they cross over say into the astral plane they believe they are in heaven. In a senses they are somwhat correct however it is only the first of many heavens or inner dimensions or our universe. What they don't understand is that the astral, and mental planes are still subject to karma and reincarnation as well just like the physical except on a higher dimension of reality. Only when soul reachs the causal or soul plane is it above karma, duality, time, space and matter along with the cycles of reincarnation.

    From what I have been told and understand it is the soul plane that is the first true heaven which is above the mental plane that Jesus talked about where it is eternal day light. And that the light of that world is brighter than ten thousand of our suns. There are many more dimensions even beyond the soul plane. Many of these true spiritual worlds are hard to describe because human lanagues lacks the ability to describe these planes of existence fully. As they are above the mind.

    In anycase thanks for sharing your inner journeys into the higher dimensions. Sounds like your a busy little soul. You firefly you....

    keep on shinning.....

    Peace and love always.... P.
     

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