Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Eowyn, Jul 4, 2014.
Lol. Fascinating how even in the afterlife "drugs are bad, mmmkay?"
I don't know if this would be any help or not. But my trigger for a OBE is usually while I am having a lucid dream. Years ago I had an NDE which is how I discovered I had past lives as before the event I never believed in reincarnation as I was raised Baptist. After the NDE I have had on again off again OBE. I suspect the NDE had something to do with this. Anyway I learned that I could have the experience of a conscious OBE while having a lucid dream. Once I realized I was dreaming I would then tell myself to awake up. Afterward the experience would turn into a conscious OBE.
A few years after the NDE I discovered a path called Eckankar. It teaches the ancient art of soul travel which is far different then astral travel or projection. In astral projection one is only limited to the physical and astral plane only as one is splitting off and projecting the astral body. However in soul travel the experience is very different. In soul travel one learns to shift one's consciousness into the soul body/causal body and then shift the consciousness to what ever dimension one wish's to be in. There by picking up what ever inner subtle body ones need to operate on in that dimension. This is by far a more natural method for one to explore the inner higher worlds or dimensions of our universe.
Because as soul we all have a physical, astral, and mental in each incarnation. The only differences is that in each lifetime we receive a new physical, astral and mental body which has no memory of these PL. It is only in the causal or soul body which has memory of all of them because it is within the soul body that is the real eternal you, soul. Of course this is not learned over night. For many it takes years to master and or learn. But if nothing else one learns that death is an illusion of the mind and is simply a shifting of consciousness from this reality to the next.
Sorry for my babbling on.....
I hope you find a method that works for you.....
Peace and love.
hey paul, these are really cool experiences.yesterday morning i had the chance to go out of body. the fact that you can create the state more readily which allows for your experience is awesome. i was told by a practitioner to actually quit coffee and to try and wake up between 2-4AM and then go back to sleep. i think he said it had something to do with increased levels of melatonin- as for actually creating the state, i am only sometimes successful and have yet to take his advice. it's as you've said, a level of awareness- the body shuts down into rest mode while the mind remains alert. the man said he likes to drink wine and thats helped him too but that he doesn't necessarily advise it. i'm saying this because i think about the body processing the sugar form the alcohol, causing one sensitive enough to wake up in the middle of the night- when you try to force your body back to sleep perhaps your mind is still alert and in a bit of discomfort from the processing of the toxins in your body. anyways. i did drink two nights ago and woke up at 2AM. i couldn't fall back asleep until around 6AM which is when the experience occurred.
unfortunately i lacked the mental strength to take the experience where i've wanted. but what i can say is that concentration, control of the will allows a sense of freedom in this realm. first it started with an older woman in a white robe and she had very intense blue-green eyes. i can't remember what we were talking about, only that we were discussing whose turn it was to do something and i specifically remember her saying it was her turn because she'd die before me. when i woke up i had a feeling this woman was someone from this planet. after that i got another attempt to project. here's why i mention concentration... when i was a child to move about in this realm i would start with lucid dreaming and start swimming through the air as my version of flying. when i started to do this swimming motion just recently i reminded myself i didn't have to do that. instantly i started levitating at a high speed up to the sky- everything below me looked like squares from a satellites view. the feeling was different- this is where i started losing concentration, strength and fell back into a dream.
is this book of yours the first OBE to touch you as you've described? i think it might have been a sort of initiation. i've had similar. 3 dreams that have lead me down this path. in it one man advised that we could go anywhere, travel to any place if one just concentrated enough. he had me turn objects into different ones. for whatever reason i didn't think of it as a matter of control then and i had an almost unregulated access to use whatever force allowed me the experience. i say that because by the end of these "dreams" a giant hand of sorts would pull me out of my experience and slam me down. almost like, 'easy kid.' or 'you shouldn't be here' like i had gone to far. well... i am mentioning this because your witnessing through the eyes of others was something else i can attest to. in these initiation dreams and later in life i'd learn how to view through the eyes of others- a sharing of consciousness. i'd traveled from one eyes to another witnessing different lives. i've woken up in my cousins room once and remember the snacks on the table and a woman coming to talk to him. thats what i think you were doing with the baby hand/touch you felt.
interestingly enough, though i don't control it, i can relate to some of your experiences. they are unique and i hope you share more. seems you have a methodology that allows a higher success rate. my only advice is to develop the will power/concentration. take time to practice meditation. when you experience this state to remind yourself as you would in a lucid dream that you have the ability to levitate, go through walls, to communicate with other beings. many times i've stumbled around this realm in wonder like a drunkard, even called an idiot by whatever force was watching me learn this new territory. lol. it's so cool and i am happy we can relate. ps your sitar/hindu experience also reminds me of my sufi teacher. my other advice is to seek god above all else and not become so absorbed by these realities. i am not saying that to belittle anything. just that, i've been sidetracked by seeing aura's and going down this territory which was meant to keep me open to possibilities, maybe even provide comfort to me with my fear of death... but it's important to use these experiences to discover and pursue your ideal. a way to come in touch with your intuition which is a way to know god.
best of luck!! welcome to the forums! =)
Cloud, What a wonderful experience and that you remembered it. We all are very active at night on the higher dimension while the body sleeps. You are correct in that in order to remember these experiences the body need to be relax and in sleep mode while the mind is awake. This allows for a shift in consciousness inward into one of the subtle bodies (usually the astral) so that we can explore, work off karma, continue with relationships of loved ones that have left the physical, learn and grow in the higher dimensions while still incarnated. This process is a natural function of the soul as we need time away from the heavy dense physical body while it rests and rejuvenates. However in general we are not aware of the process most of the time. The moody blues were aware of this as they were very ahead of their time. And listening to them reminds me as a young man searching for the meaning of life and existences itself shortly after I had my NDE those many years ago. Just always remember that all these experiences are leading us back to the source of all that is in the cosmos or what man terms as god. As all life in the cosmos comes from divine love. Pleasant travels to you and Paul both....
Love and peace always
Thank you for the response! No my first experience was the rather unpleasant one with the icy baby hands clawing my feet. ....actually... Wait no! My first experience (where I knew I was leaving my body) was a bit before that. I was stuck in paralysis mode, and there was some type of "entity" I could feel was trying to "get in" me...i was fighting very hard to keep it out. It appeared as a black circle or orb wafting around my room over my bed. But I realized once I stopped fighting to get out of paralysis I could lift my arms. At first I had my eyes closed. I could feel my arm lifting up off the bed. But when I opened my eyes it was plain to see I was still lying flat face up. Closing my eyes once more (still really FEELING my arm raised off the bed) I saw my arm...but not skin tones, it was like a kaleidoscope of rainbow colors. I raised both arms and put up my dukes like im ready to fight. Seeming to kind of phase through the wall came this black orb and I nailed it like two solid good punches (left jab, right hook). It floated around another minute or two like an angry hornet, but seemed to realize it found a way to defend myself, and it kind of swirled through the wall and left...i should also mention that these hypnogogic episodes seem to ALWAYS happen at my bf's house. I can't think of a time that I've slept there that there wasn't some sort of incident...to a point where we made it a rule that we don't sleep together...which kinda sucks but what can you do? One time I was having an episode in his bed, I was being attacked by something and when I finally snapped out of it I slapped him because I was I fight mode and thought he was my assailant.
p.s. also now whenever I try to do the rainbow arm boxer routine, my hands are bogged down and slow...like in a dream where your trying to hit something and it lands but it just doesn't do anything...like trying to punch underwater
Paul my friend,
Another way to avoid having to deal with souls on the lower astral is to raise your vibration so that you completely fade out of the sub plane they are on and instead travel to a new one which has a more higher vibration . This is how you travel to different levels within the astral dimensions because remember the power of both thought and feeling are now how you create your reality there. If you are having trouble with this ask for help either with your spiritual guide, teacher or even astral helpers or angles. And yes there are angles that do help souls that don't belong on these lower levels of the astral world. If you are truly sincere with your request for help and protection they will respond. There are a vast majority of them on the lower levels helping souls that have had problems crossing over properly due to fear, attachment, sudden sock of being killed and a host of other reasons.
I once had the privilege's of watching this once while consciously out of the body. I was with a group of souls who where learning to become astral helpers. We were for lack of a better word in a place of utter darkness. The emotional atmosphere there was devoid of all love, light, and kindness of any kind. I remember it being very cold and I felt empty being there so I was glad to be with my group. We heard a voice out in the distance which sounded like a women in distress sobbing endlessly. As we drew closer to the women we all could senses lower astral beings that were surrounding her not of a human origin. The best word I could describe these beings where lower level demons feeding off her low emotional state. In life she was a prostitute. She apparently died somehow due to a drug deal gone wrong. I'm not sure if she was shot or if she committed suicide. Anyway she was crying out for help as she knew she was dead but did not know where she was as was terrified. Her astral form had a grayish tone to it as it did not look healthy at all. Someone in the group noticed a orb of light from above. As it descended downward towards the young women the light took the form of an angel. The light from this being was so bright that when it approach the women all the darkness that surround us went away and the demons that where there fled from the scene. This majestic being must have been at least 7 feet tall. It took the young women into their arms like you would a young child and lifted her upwards and out of the darkness. As this being left the darkness returned. So the group I was with left the scene and we all shifted our vibration to another sub dimension which was more like the earth world. I was so moved by that experiences that I have never forgotten it. I remember writing it in my dream journey when I returned to the body. So yes these things do happen in the other dimensions. As there are countless dimensions of reality in our universe. We only need to become aware of them.
Happy travels to you....
thank you polaris for your reply. i really like the song you sent me too.
i'm fascinated by the lyrics, 'thinking is the best way to travel.' to see our physical reality orchestrate in a way that matter validates our thoughts by synchronicity makes me wonder the power of concentration, thought-travel and broadcasting intention. i don't know the forces behind manipulating the matrix but i believe with will and faith it's possible as well as interdimensional travel or communicating with alien life.
seems my ability to recall is stronger during full moon phases. earlier this morning i had a very short and beautiful projection. i quickly rose out from my body, out of the bedroom and zeroed in on one of the dalmatians across the hall. he was sitting up in his astral form, his appearance seemed younger and he was so happy to see me! i was overcome with joy- we both were! we happily raced down the stairs. i came back upstairs to my room and started dropping "light bombs" all over the place before losing awareness and falling back asleep.
today i had a dentist appointment, maybe god granted me this OBE to allow me to recall the joy i felt earlier and distract my anxious mind which had been so focused on the tooth drill
Hi guys! I hope everyone here is doing well. I wanted to share my two most recent "OBE's." I've since joined an astral projection community and by interacting with the members there have negated a lot of the fear I used to have in exploring this space. I have also felt more at peace in speaking about my experiences free from concern of any one persons judgement or disbelief. A term that this community uses to describe OBE's is "NP" non-physical experience. I am rather fond of this, as it helped me discover something about the minds eye.
Sometime last week my meditation group set the intention of communicating with a spiritual guide named Monjoronson- asking how we might be of better service to Love. From my involvement with the astral community, I have took a more relaxed approach to meditation. Here I positioned myself in a recliner in a dim lit room and practiced in a non-traditional sense. My body approached a very slow and deep state and images of pulsing faint and dark blue light appeared in the distance on the black screen that is my minds eye. It made me think and feel as if I was in a mountainous region and the blue light was a crystal since one of our members heavily associates herself with crystals. That was it for my meditation, I had to pull myself back into a wakeful state and be involved in the immediate reality. I figured someone else in the group would have established connection but that I'd still have an opportunity to meet this being in my dreams.
Later that night, an opportunity to project occurred. The sensations came on quickly and the transition in awareness went from physical to mental. The body was in rest mode and the mind was still active. A very large blue figure appeared in my minds eye and I immediately thought- "Monjoronson." I reached out to grab his hand and use him to pull my "self" out from my physical body. You see, I have always envisioned this energetic self as something to rise out from the physical. It was here where I hit a wall. I couldn't fully leave my body or get past this invisible but firm wall. Monjoronson disappeared and I could hear my Mother walking up to my bedroom door. She knocked on it, but I was still experiencing sleep paralysis- not just that, I was still entranced by this invisible wall and my energetic body. She started to say something... "You need to get up and..." Do something. I don't remember. I tried to reply, but in this state it is very difficult to talk. I remember trying to force out, "no. no thank you." And when I was successful in doing so, it was as if my attention had shift- everything I had just witnessed was in fact a mental simulation. The scene began to fade and was replaced by a static and fading green light. It felt like Monjoronson was there to say, without words, here is a way to experience this field. You have been creating an extra effort, and have been getting stuck. You don't need to imagine your body, leaving your body. This in-between state is the desired state you'd been trying to achieve. Your thinking is needing adjusting to better understand this realm.
That's what I got. Because my Mother felt so real, and while my projection felt real- the scene with my Mom walking up to the door was as if I had no control but instead was a witness to the reality playing out before me. That whole day my mind had been lead to fantastic idea's. I came back to this forum to read up on, "Is consciousness produced outside the brain." and felt, with a type of certainty- Yes! I felt the subconcious or even the "mind" extends beyond the immediate incarnation/identification. What a trip it was to feel such a expanded awareness in the moment- to reach beyond the immediate self. I know, many have experienced similar. I too thought I have experienced this before in other unique and beautiful ways. It would appear the lessons are not always linear, and some need revisiting. How often do I become absorbed in this idea of my current personality? All too often. The lessons extend too, about the minds eye and the way one explores this realm.
Well this morning I again found another chance for an OBE or, NPE. The community I am currently engaged with ask me to set an intention. Having a connection towards Sufism I asked if I could connect with my Sufi teacher. There was a hesitancy though as I questioned, am I really ready? What if he isn't my teacher? I feel these are all silly ruminations now... As I slipped from physical awareness to mental imagery, my intended desire began to fade as scenes began to play out on their own. I brought my awareness back to the physical self and re-centered my intention. This time, as I began to slip back to the NP or in-between state I heard someone whisper my name... "Eric, remember to..." I don't remember what was said. Only that I did remember in the moment that I did not need to create the idea of a physical body and that I was indeed in the desired state. And like that a giant mosaic appeared in my minds eye. I hadn't a clue why, or even what it might mean. I went to inspect the mosaic, and my entire "viewing field" moved with me- "floated" with me towards the art that seemed to be suspended in air. It was quite a sensation, from going to a fixed position to a moving projection. And yet, I still found myself creating the energetic limbs before me and becoming all to occupied with those. I started to see my hands behind my closed eyes, only this time they appeared as shadows and even darker outlines around my fingers or arms to give shape and form. The mosaic was still present, in the background, as I wiggled my fingers in front of me. It was here where I lost consciousness and slipped into a few dreams about friends and family.
I am going to try and communicate with these voices and explore further. That's it for now! On a side note, I don't feel much inclination to discover any PL's. I think the exploration of consciousness will certainly grant that reality, and yet I am more preoccupied with just being in this realm than receiving any kind of answers about my self.
Eowyn, thank you. Very informative and insightful.
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