Average past lives.

Discussion in 'Past Life Memories' started by Allahandria, May 7, 2001.

  1. Allahandria

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    After reading accounts on this site, elsewhere on the web, and those of friends, I constantly hear people going on and on about who they were when they were famous. I never want to discount these people, as if all this is as real as it feels, then famous people would get reincarnated too. Yet, at the same time, my own clearest memories are of being nobody. hehe.

    These are memories I even share with other people, like a house that I lived in with one of my best friends, and another living down the road aways. I wrote about this house as a child, we've all dreamed of it, and we all know the basic floor plan and even want to find it again, but all lived relatively mundane lives. Not everyone has been somebody terribly famous. Although in most of the lives I remember something important happened -- but it wasn't something terribly important to the whole world.

    do you think that people discount past lives because of how many people declare themselves to have been famous? Is it possible that these memories aren't real, and may even be blocking the real ones?
     
  2. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Welcome Allahandria,

    I remember many of my past lives..in detail. My last three life times I was not famous, in fact just the opposite. I was a no-body! LOLOL In the late 1700's I was a white boy who was taken by the Indians..lived my entire life with them and died on the Trail of Tears. In the mid -1800's I was a black slave girl..and my last life 1900-1957 I was an Italian woman that lost her whole family in World War I & II.

    I think it is wonderful if people can find information that pertain to their personal memories..photographs, city records, names and places etc. But when your not famous....there is little or nothing to find except maybe the location.

    For me, what is MOST important are the feelings, emotions and thoughts that surface in the various forms of recall. Either in a waking state, meditation or dreams. That and the continuation over the years of memories that fit into the pieces of my past life puzzle. Another words..the continuation of a life, complete with dates, a life history and/or story everything fits into a context. To me this is my validation.

    My studies into consciousness -merging - and altered states -- does show that it is possible for people to tap into the lives of others. These memories are viewed as a person watching -- outside of themselves. Sometimes beginners don't know the difference. What they are lacking is the emotional and feeling context of the memories in the first person.

    If however, they remember being famous and the emotional and feeling quality is there..then that is a good indicator that they were that person.

    This is how I explain in my journals my memories of being a black slave girl -just taken from my mother and sold into slavery....

    ...I began to cry. With the tears came trembling, my whole body began to tremble and shake. I can only describe its source as coming from the inside out. This type of feeling and emotion cannot be staged, it is so deeply felt, so deeply ingrained within both the physical and astral body, it must be a true experience. The body remembers.

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    Deborah

    Lifes experiences weave a tapestry of knowledge
     
  3. madison

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    Hi there! I remember living four past lives, around 1100, 1400, 1600 and 1900. They weren't the sort of lives you could track down, not at all famous. The only one I *might* have a chance at is the last life, the 1900's one; it was in Russia at the Tsar's court (but I was just an army officer). So many things feel familiar from that era of history and area of the world, but I do NOT think I'm Anastasia. Just an officer killed in a revolution, maybe a witness to some interesting times in history that made an impression on me. I personally think that people who remember being famous historical people are remembering being their friends, their servants, etc., but because their famous friend was "larger than life" and they were so involved in it, they innocently mistake that life for their own. But who knows, it's true the "rich and famous" reincarnate, too!
     
  4. Rob

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    This is just purely my own speculation, but how a soul deals with fame or power carries many valuable lessons. I think that, throughout our infinite number of lessons we learn on the path of awareness, fame and power is something we each deal with at one point (even if it is just one lifetime out of a thousand.) I think, somewhere at some point, we have all been famous. Maybe we were an influential or powerful Chinese leader of some dynasty centuries ago, a medival prince, an influential person in some forgotten civilization like Atlantis, or even a popular film actor in the twentieth century.

    My point is, "fame" comes our way (at least briefly -- and one lifetime is very brief) somewhere along the path of learning. It is something many souls desire, and if desires shape our future lifetimes, then fame will most likely be something we experience.

    On a personal note, if I could sit down right now and plan every aspect of my next life, fame would not be a part of it. There have been times in this life where I have felt sorry for some of the "pop' culture icons of our century: like Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, Rudolph Valentino, Princess Diana, etc... They really have led interesting lives, but there is something to be said about anonymity also. ...I got to go to the park this morning and watch the sun rise, ...without nasty photographers hounding my every move. I LOVE THAT!

    Maybe sometimes souls need to experience fame to understand that it isn't all it's cracked up to be. There are things that are so much more important, and LOTS of karmic responsibilities for misused fame.

    Maybe my intense desire NOT to ever be famous means I've already learned that lesson at some point. Who knows?

    I know I chose to be a quiet school teacher in this life for a reason.

    Just my thoughts for now.
    Love,
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  5. Midnight.Sapphires

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    Hi everyone!

    I have never been famous - just an ordinary soul who had more than my share of wars and personal traumas. However, as I had posted many times before, my only "claim to fame" is knowing that I survived both the Sand Creek and Washita massacres back in 1864 and 1868 respectively.

    Blessings all!

    Jereldeen
     
  6. Charles Stuart

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    Well, my two cents' worth: I strongly believe I was once Prince Charles Edward Stuart of Scotland, also know as Bonnie Prince Charlie, in the 1700's; and this evidence had to just about be "slapped" in my face before I could believe it.
    I do also have memories of not so famous lives: a soldier in WWII, a Roman soldier, a poor child starving in the streets of some cold European city...
    The only true advantage I found regarding "remembering" a famous past life is that it is much easier to find documentation and information from that life, and be able to evidence them with your own ""remembrances" or intuition.
    It is not true, though, that everyone who remembers a past life was either rich or famous or historically important, most remember very plain and "ordinary" lives (though I believe no life is ever "ordinary").
    The truth is that all historical events happened just as all other "realities" have already happened, and if we lived through them, then of course past-life memories of all sorts will appear.

    Love to all of you,

    Charles
     
  7. Allahandria

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    i would still really like to hear more details of people's non-famous lives. While I know we love recounting all the proof we've found of the more famous ones, my fascination about the past lies in things that are not easily researched, but still as deeply believed by the teller. Those are the entries that have caught my interest here in the past (rather than oh, they were such and such person, hmmm, read about them in school, and moving on) and I hope to hear more of them in the future, rather than just mentioning that they were here and here and here but can't prove it.
     
  8. barbara

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    Hi everybody! Well, this has certainly been an interesting topic. I don't know what any of my past lives have been, but I wonder if anyone might feel like I do about fame and fortune. For some very deep reason, I feel in past lives I was probably very famous and very wealthy, because in this lifetime, I have no desire for fame or wealth. I am not against it, but it is not a driving force. My entire life I have had friends who were extremely wealthy. Their wealth never impressed me, nor did I feel badly because I didnt have it. It never affected our relationships. It was simply a fact. Even sitting here writing about it, I have no emotion or feeling about it, it's like I've already done it so I don't need to do it again to meet whatever purpose I am here for.

    I am a non-conforming, non-consumer. I am an artist, and have a madness to paint, but fame is not the end goal. It might come, it might not, my paintings will be the same.

    So, I only feel that fame and fortune was in one of my unknown pastlives, and that's why I don't miss it.

    Thanks
    barbara
     
  9. Allahandria

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    barbara, I just want to say that that's a really cool outlook on life.

    I think the only reason I'd ever want any sort of fame (or you know, type of job that equals a lot of money) is because at least then I'd know that my family, and children, and maybe even THEIR children would be well cared for... fame in itself isn't as appealing as to the sense of being safe in that respect might be ..... at least to me....
     
  10. Peter V

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    Where are the mundane lives?

    Does anyone remember a life as a farmer or peasent? A life where you weren't Cleopatra, King Edward, Caesar, or Alexander the Great? Perhaps a life of hardship and toil as opposed to one in the royal court? A life lived during mundane times, not the Crusades, the plague, Roman invasion of Britain, or the American Revolution?

    The remembrance of past lives is not statistically relfective of actual lives lived in history. There is seemingly no fluid chronology, just a collections of claims attached the dramatic, the fun and englightening high points of history.

    There are many Cleopatras out there, seemingly, but for a civilization such as Egypt, which depended on a high population of farmers tending to the black soil of the Nile, there are surprisingly few, if any, claims of a past life lived as a poor farmer toiling in his fields of Barley and Emmer.
     
  11. curious_girl

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    The more I read about the past life experiences of others
    the more I'm convinced that the majority remembers a pretty 'normal' life.
    But I've also come to the conclusion that people are people,
    also the rich and famous.
    They also have to finish their 'job' on earth properly,
    and reincarnation (learning from life experiences) is part of that job.
    Reincarnation is a soul thing, and what happens inside there
    can't be seen in the myths and fairy tales about heroes and kings.
    If reincarnation exist they also return,
    just like the farmers, craftsmen, soldiers and artists.
    They all have something in common, they're all human.

    Curious Girl.
     
  12. Feech

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    I don't know why people are so anti-famous-past-lives except for one thing: individuals attach a lot of personal symbolic meaning to famous persons and then don't like others to have different takes on the famous person (this is understandable).

    I don't know why there wouldn't be many famous past lives in one person's past, then none at all in another's; you'd have to assume random reincarnation for the statistics to come out the same as in physical Earthly states, and I haven't heard anyone here doing that yet. There are many beliefs discussed here but I don't think I've seen any that don't involve some manner of specific system or choice to this other than the systems at work in our apparent physical realm. Also, as Rastislav said, reincarnation discussions are necessarily slanted in terms of who takes part in them. But even if every person did claim a famous past life, why wouldn't that be? No one here yet has seemed to think that the cycle of reincarnation works the same as Earthly hierarchies. And, as Curious Girl said, -- it always bears repeating!-- famous people are _people_. Just because a lot of people know about them (or think they do), that doesn't mean they're any different from everyday average ditchdigger. Look at all the ways in which people become famous; sometimes they were totally unknown until one fluke thing occurred. We attach far too much importance to fame itself, put people on a pedestal or slander them, either way, we place them in a superior position but that might have absolutely nothing to do with how reincarnation works. One soul might be on a path where many famous lives occur, for reasons unrelated to Earthly concepts of fame, or another might be famous only as an incidental trait in soul terms.

    I know others disagree but I don't see why a famous person couldn't be reincarnated in more than one new body at a time, and those bodies meet. Why couldn't they have simultaneous lives, after a single life, changing their design for some reason? I think that about anyone though, not just famous people. And even if you don't think a famous person could come back as more than one new incarnation, it may be that the duplicate famous life being remembered is from an alternate reality. Also, one of the claimants could be wrong. I don't think that the other claimants can really judge that, though. Why is one person's truth that they feel they so strongly "just know" to be taken over another's? There may be reasons in individual cases to accept one claim over another but why would you need to know who was who? It would have to be a very individual thing and probably not worth fighting about, especially if one or the other has a very personally important and legitimate alternate-plane experience of that famous life, or some other connection to the person you don't know about (or don't remember if you were the person).

    I've never been famous that I'm aware of.
     
  13. angelbaby

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    Not everyone...

    Hi Peter,
    I know very little about the subject but have also wondered that question!
    I can tell you that I have a close friend. We have been friends since childhood and she has had difficult life. She was sent to a regression therapists, as a last resort effort to figure things out... a grasping at straws. She is not spiritual at all.
    She was regressed and saw herself as a horrible, homeless male. Very dirty with long scraggly hair and beard. He died in an alley where no one was there to find him dead until sometime later. The therapist asked for her to view his funeral and there was nothing. Just blankness. He asked her who met him on the other side and there was no one. So the therapist had her take him to the light. Other odd things happened in the regression at that point.
    The man as boy had a mom who dropped him off on a city street and left him in the care of no one. She felt that it was her own mother she was seeing who is not the nicest person in the world. The therapist would question her on what she was feeling when she was him and she had a nothing, dark, sinister feel... a deadness. She cared about no one and nothing in her regression.

    BUT my point is not everyone sees something grand!
    angelbaby
     
  14. kris0503

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    What we remember

    Peter, here are a couple of possible reasons for your observation about mundane lives.

    1) Past life memory is itself not the norm but statisticaly an exception. Very tiny fraction of population remembers any past lives at all. Hence persons with past life memories are in some sense not "typical" persons.

    2) If we analyze our own memories of our current lives, we find that we don't remember all that we have lived through. Rather we only remember memorable events in our lives. Why should it be different for past life memory? Ask today's farmer who has lived all his life on his solitary farm, waking at daybreak, toiling through most of the day and then retiring at the end of the day to tell something about his life. His answer will likely be that yesterday was same as today and so was every other day in his life. Will such a person bother to keep a diary. Diary or not, he still has a life, but perhaps not much to remember about.

    3) Crusades and plague are remembered for the same reason that they have historical significance. That is true for us, as aficionados of history and for those who lived through those times.

    4) Another factor may be called "reincarnating fan" syndrome. I know many persons who live thoroughly ordinary lives, but try to spice up their mundane existence by vicariously experiencing the thrills of their sports heroes or rock star heroes. I am sure many women of Cleopatra's time were so engrossed in her life that they knew it better than their own lives. Perhaps some come back with memories of their icons.
     
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    kris, I think your answer is good and I don't want to nitpick, but I do just want to say that sometimes the details and little daily things are remembered and are important personally. What seems to be daily, mundane toil to an outside observer has many changes, subtle or obvious, to the person experiencing the farming or whatever (and I'll admit that it's a peeve of mine to slot farming into some sort of boring drudgery). But sometimes we do compare our own lives to others' and say nothing ever happens to us, relatively speaking, so I'm not saying you're wrong in that sense. I just wanted to put different words to it. My important memories from my non-famous lost life where I don't have any way to know I existed are the memories of the repeated events such as who came in when in the morning, what we always did, who I always saw. I miss them.
     
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    You want Mundane?!
    How about?
    WW2-Austria- I can't even FIND ME because I was so mundane. Constance, minor player in Nazi land. Work for a newspaper, a sanitarium, hid a few kids, probably responsible for several deaths. I do recall a handgun, a luger, in a church. So I think when I had to..
    1904 Midwest - Little kid, died in a storm, possibly tornado. (Still fear tornados)
    1821-1904- gettysburg farmer, officer in Civil War, no major battles. Wasn't even in Gettysburg battle and they were in my family farm.
    1800s - daughter of a retired sea captain turned lighthouse keeper, I commited suicide after losing my daughter.
    late 1700s - daughter of a mine owner in Wales, inherited business only to watch it fall apart and become nearly penniless, died in a lover's spat.
    1600s tutor to royal children in Louis 14th family. Died when trying to learn how to use a fencing foil.
    early 1600s - serving wench in a tavern....boring then boring now.
    1500s - playwright in England, no not famous one. Arrogant, died alone and unappreciated.
    1500s - some Italian guy who owned land and liked to manipulate musicians.
    1400s - Mother superior in Abbey in Italy, probably in the Order of the Poor Claires.
    1000 or so - Another Mother Superior, only this time in Scotland or Ireland. Quite dominant, with Virgo tendencies.
    300 or so - Druid, tossed out of clan for helping a wounded Roman armorer.
    BC - Atlantis _ No one listened to me then either..
    Where's my famous life....I didn't even know Cleopatra.
    catseye
     
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    "Does anyone remember a life as a farmer or peasent?.... there are surprisingly few, if any, claims of a past life lived as a poor farmer toiling in his fields of Barley and Emmer."

    I'm sorry but this is just 180 degrees incorrect. This is a sure sign of someone who hasn't done much research on the issue.

    Sure, if your only knowledge of the subject is superficial and based solely on what you saw on tv, or in a web forum, or heard from a neighbor, you might think that everyone claims to have been someone famous.

    This is analogous to saying that there must be no scientific basis to astronomy because everytime I hear someone talk about the stars, they're only talking about their horoscope.

    Do the research. The more you read of the scientific studies of reincarnation, the more you'll learn that the relative percentage of famous lives claimed in those studies is close to zero. Whereas documented cases of mundane past lives are at least in the tens of thousands (Surprisingly few!?).

    This, even though one would logically expect the number of remembered famous past lives to be higher than "reflective of actual lives lived in history" because, of course, a life that is not mundane would naturally be more memorable.

    Signed,

    Blunt & Cranky As Usual ;)
     
  18. mertzie

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    Peter V - I know of a few mundane lives of mine. I know of only one that occurred as an aristocrat. I know of a life as:

    - a cook and baker for a wealthy family in France (1500-1700's?). My peach pies were the best.;)

    -a woman who lived with her sister in Victorian London

    - the son of Irish farmers (time period unknown)

    - grew up on a farm in California, early part of 20th century

    One of my friends went back to a life as:

    -an Eygptian slave (she did NOT want to stay there...)

    - a wife and mother in Holland (time period unknown)

    Hope that helps!
     
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    I think it's an excellent question and I've wondered about it myself.. I have heard lots of people who claim to be Cleopatra, Elvis, Pres. Lincoln etc...

    I have no idea what time period this PL of mine took place but I was a (male) cobbler...had my own shop and a wife too...I really don't know much more than that...I think it was a pretty boring life..

    The only other life I know of I just saw a snippet of it and it was how I died...

    :)
     
  20. Mama2HRB

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    The only one I am aware of was that of my great grandmother. She was not famous, but did survive the great flood here. I do not have memories of that life, but when going into areas where she was from I am overwhelmed. At a very young age I looked at her marriage license, which hung on my mother's wall and said, "That is mine. I want it."

    Although I never posted in reply to anyone's non-famous past lives, I am fascinated by them. So ... what is that recipe for peach pie? :)
     

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