Book about PL close to Jesus

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    Hi! Has anybody read this book that I just became aware of and if so what did you think (especially if you´ve got some kind of experience from the same time, of course...)?:
    "The Book of Andrew" by Charles Lehman and Bruce Gregory.

    I´m listening to an interview about it right now and it certainly does seem interesting.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__VHCNy8oU&list=UUKabMBNIFhXLzCkEeEOYG4A

    It´s about: "The Book of Andrew is about the life of Andrew the Apostle, based on past-life regression material from Charles Lehman, longtime friend and lover of Bill Thetford. It takes us back 2000 years ago to the time of Jesus and presents a view of homosexuality that is aligned with love and acceptance."
     
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    Of course, this touches on a subject very dear and personal to me. Thank you for posting the link and bringing this up. I researched as much as I could about the author and listened to the interview. I ran across an excerpt from the book which contradicts my own spiritual insights. This excerpt is supposedly Jesus (aka Yeshua) speaking to Andrew 2000 years ago.

    I died at the age of six and had a profound afterlife experience. I spent a few years with one foot in the physical and the other foot in the spiritual. When I was 8, I walked another young friend to his own grave and when he passed away. I had an out of body experience and escorted him back to the light. During this period, I was having many visits from 'angelical messengers' who were trying to guide my young mind to a 'higher understanding.' The very first order of business was teachings on the 'born again' process. They (messengers of light) used the 'English' phrase 'to be born again' because they were trying to reference the 'religious' instructions my family were in tune with in English. This 'theme' became the center focus of my life from the age of 8 to the age of 19.


    The English phrase comes from a Greek word in reference to a Jewish mindset of spiritual matters. The Greek word is genna?. It is only used two times in conjunction with the Greek word an?then.

    • anothen: from above, from a higher place, from the first, from the beginning, from the very first.
    • gennao: metaph, to engender, cause to arise, excite - in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone.


    There are two other instances in the NT where a combined Greek word is used to relay this in a past sense. anagenna?

    • anagenna?: metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God


    The lessons given to me (about the 'born again process) had to do with having one's 'focus' changed from a material point of view - to a spiritual point of view. It had nothing to do with 'reincarnation.' I think the word 'engender' would be a better English word to describe this process. (synonym: spark or ignite)


    I have two choices. I can believe what many spirits over the course of a decade told me about the 'born again' process, or - I can believe someone's claim about testimony that supposedly came out of "Yeshua's" mouth. If I go by what the spirits told me - then - the author of this book is making a 'false claim' about testimony that supposedly came out of "Yeshua's" mouth 2000 years ago. If I can't trust this statement as true - how can I take anything else this author claims? Of course, this is my own personal opinion based on my personal experiences with spirit and the teachings of.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    Visions of Yeshua


    In the early 80's - I spoke with three friends about visions I kept having of someone I knew of as "Yeshua." I had never spoken about them prior at any length. When I was a child, I had tried to speak to adults about these visions - but eventually - I was forbidden (by authority in spirit) to speak openly about them. I was shocked when I was with my three friends and I was granted full authority by the 'highest Spirit' (aka The Father) to speak openly to my friends about these visions. I had never been granted to speak freely before. When I started describing the 'scenes' - my friends said they thought I was talking about the one they knew of as Jesus. I never once heard his name pronounced as Jesus in those visions. I had 'sight' of the execution scene and told my friends - "If need be, I can count every single drop of blood that spilled off his forehead during the walk to that pole on the hill." The 'visions' were vivid living color and I could control the 'sound' or audio. I usually turned it off because I never understood the language they spoke - and just tuned into the 'spiritual' tone hidden in the undertow. That was a very hard process at times. Other times - it was easy. It just depended on the content that was being expressed. Since I had my own rich history with 'near-death' afterlife experiences - I could relate to it in that way.


    Someone suggested I write down some of the 'ancient words' and sound them out for a language expert. I took it to a college professor in 1981 and he was shocked that I had access to that sort of language. Most of the words he said were 'archaic' and not in use in any language any more. When asked what language it was - he told me it was a combination of Aramaic and Greek. I had to have 'direct spiritual permission' to do this and afterwards - I was told to 'destroy' the paper I wrote the words down on - and I was not allowed to give the college professor permission to keep a copy for himself. He told me it was a form of poetry.


    I told my friends I wouldn't know for sure if these visions of "Yeshua" was one and the same as the one people called Jesus until I saw the image on the burial cloth. In 1999. I finally found an image of the Shroud of Turin online and it is one and the same as the man I knew of as Yeshua and had visions many times in childhood and my early adult life.


    So, I have had my own rich history and experiences with 'direct visions' of Yeshua.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    Thanks for your reply, dking, and telling about your


    experiences and visions, it´s very interesting to hear about.


    These things, different close-up accounts of Jesus and his times, are fascinating. Complex and could probably be somewhat of a -no blasphemy intended;)- can of worms, but fascinating and important, I think.


    One thought that comes to mind re your comment is I´m not sure that the meaning given to ´being born again´ in the quote from the book and the meaning you are referencing (i.e.´having one´s 'focus' changed from a material point of view to a spiritual point of view´- which I find very true and interesting BTW), that these two really must exclude each other in any way.


    Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying but to me the two different meanings of the phrase apply simultanously, in my way of seeing things. Anyway, I´m gonna have to check out this book and others, to know more, and your posts, too:thumbsup:.
     
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    Thanks.


    I think I wrote about this on another post somewhere. Reincarnation was a 'fact of life' and a 'fact of spiritual life' for me at a very young age. I started having 'flashbacks' of past lives when I was 3 years old and could talk about it. This was prior to my NDE at the age of 6. I was constantly bringing the subject of past lives up to any adult I could get the attention of as a child. When the 'spirits' did start showing up -- it was the same. I wanted to try and find 'English' words or mental understanding how to phrase the 'past life' recall. At the age of 8 when the 'spirit' brought up the 'born again' process - there was never any 'cross' reference to this being about walking in a 'body of flesh anew.' (This is generally how the spirits refereed to the 'new physical body. Walking in the world anew.) The Q and A sessions with spirit continued until the age of 21 (as far as reincarnation matters were concerned.)


    There is one period in the 8-10 range were I was keenly aware that in several past lives - that body and mind had gone through the 'born again' process for that life, body and mind. I didn't understand why I had to go through it again - if - I had already accomplished this in several past lives. I was told - I was walking in the 'new flesh' and it was a process everyone had to go through in a new incarnation.


    It is hard for me to 'recall directly' all conversations in spirit. I have to have a reference point where I took the discussion to another human being and repeated the conversation outwardly. (My Grandparents were sounding boards for many topics I had discussed with 'invisible spirits and then used them as a sounding board to be able to have direct recall of the entire spiritual conversation.) I don't have a direct memory of a conversation but I have 'instinct' and 'intuition' that leads me to believe this matter was discussed with one of the 'invisible guides.' (I know there are conversations hidden back there some where about this topic - but I haven't found them yet. To me, it was a 'dead end' and not worth chasing as far as 'reincarnation' was concerned.)


    The fact that I was walking with direct knowledge that I had been 'born again' into a different body - and then the reference to the 'born again' process in spirit by a spirit. The fact that I never brought this up to my parents or Grandparents during that stage - leads me to believe the idea they were 'one and the same' was shut down by a private conversation with spirit. (I knew my Grandparents studied the Good Book - and the 'born again' process was something that was supposed to have been written about in the Good Book.) Reincarnation was the primary spiritual topic in my family from the age of 3 to the age of 8. It was shut down for a period and then came up again at the age of 13 and was a serious topic for conversation from the age of 13 to the age of 15. Then, I promised my Mom I would never talk about it in the family again. And, I never did.


    When I did start talking about reincarnation with a group of young friends at the age of 21 - one of them mentioned the 'born again' as a reference to 'reincarnation' and I just rolled my eyes and said, "Not the same thing. Trust me. I went through that already." That is all I have to a direct reference and don't know what 'childhood' memories that comment triggered when I was 21.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    I went on a search related to this topic several years ago. There are actually three different Greek words that were in use 2000 years ago that were referenced for what we know of as 'reincarnation.' The word I found interesting is palingenesis which is used in the Bible. (Wikipedia.) It is derived from two words. 3825 palin and 1078 genesis.


    What I found interesting for myself was the word palin in Greek. It is 'anew.' This is constantly how the 'spirits' referred to 'coming into the world again' --- anew.' This is constantly how they referred to me being in a different physical body again. "You are anew." They never referred to it as being 'born again.' Always as 'anew.'


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    Good job, researching the greek terms, interesting. And your argument about the different meanings sounds convincing.


    That´s the way to go I think, to get wiser to what´s what, sifting the words and concepts. But, of course, to know more of what the author of this particular book is talking about one would probably have to check it out closer.


    Your own story and experiences are fascinating, although I´m going to have to read through more of your writings to get a better grip on it. I´m curious about conclusions you might have come to etc.. As for the reality of spirits and such, this is beyond question as far as I´m concerned. Though, of course, sometimes maybe it would be easier to have a more material view of things...:rolleyes:
     
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    I spoke about my own visions in 1981. I wasn't ready to accept the fact that 'Yeshua' was one and the same as the one people called "Jesus." I told my friends that I wouldn't accept this as a fact until it was proven to me. The Shroud of Turin (in 1999) proved this to my mind. Shortly after this startling revelation to me - Peter Jennings came out with a documentary

    " I wanted info that sorted through the myth, hype and theories - and see the 'facts' and compare them to my visions. In the documentary - the question is explored - what happened that caused such a sensation that rippled through time. What made the 'real Yeshua" so different from all the other people claiming they were the Messiah at that time? (There were many.) If someone was raised from the 'dead' - that is a 'sign and wonder' or what many call a 'miracle.' Without that 'resurrection' - the documentary theorizes that the story of "Yeshua" would have been lost beneath the 'sands of time.'
    • Easton's Dictionary Apostle: (4.) Another qualification was the power of working miracles (Mark 16:20; Acts 2:43; 1 Cor. 12:8-11).
    • 2 Corinthians 12:12- Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.


    When I was a child the 'messengers of spirit' used a Latin word for this. (Signum.) It was defined to me just as the Strongs defines it: of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's.


    Someone can claim to be the reincarnation of Cleopatra or Napoleon and write their story. That is one thing - but an Apostle of a miracle worker? I want to see 'signs' and 'wonders' to go along with this claim.


    Just my opinion on it.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    It is a like a road map that is constantly changing. (My story.) Due to forgotten memories that are constantly re-surfacing. I wrote out a brief summery as it pertains to the NDE in 1978 and the 'visions of Yeshua' that followed in the aftermath - and how I tried to deal with the supposed reality of this man being the same as the one everyone else called Jesus. (That still makes me cringe.) The final piece of evidence for myself was finding the Shroud of Turin web site where researchers used forensic science to try and determine which 'cut' on his back was the first blow in the whipping scene. I told my friends in 1981 exactly where that 'three pronged razor' thing cut up in the back during the first blow. It is what drew the 'horseflies' or (big insects) to his back and they went on a feeding frenzy. That is not something you read about, but in my visions - those insects were 'intoxicated' by all the blood coming out of him during that time. It is a short summery and 8 pages long.


    Visions of Yeshua.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    I went on a search tonight of the various documentaries pertaining to the Shroud. It has been over a decade since I dove into that segment. I recall talking to my friends about the sight I had in my vision of people 'collecting' his blood during his walk. I not only spoke to my friends but to others who had a religious understanding about why 'people' would be collecting his blood in 'clothes.' From my point of view in the visions - I thought this was morbid and couldn't understand why there was such a 'frenzy' with the group of people lining the walk - to collect his 'droppings' and to collect the blood as it streamed off him during that walk. I didn't know which was worst. I once saw a movie about the holocaust and a Jewish person was shot by the Nazi's - and people were collecting the blood that was spilled in handkerchiefs. I always thought of it as some sort of 'morbid' memento collection.


    The documentary explained this was a custom of the Jewish culture. The Jewish people felt the 'blood' was part of the soul - and it was to be collected to buried with the body. When I spoke of the vision as a child - I always spoke of the 'scarf' which had wrapped the head at one point. Sudarium of Oviedo. In the documentary - this was explained why the sudarium was used prior to body being wrapped for burial. In part- to capture the blood from the face so the blood could be buried with the physical body. In the past, I could never understand this part of the vision. It finally makes sense.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    I also found this on the subject of Apostles and marriage. Early writings of the Church suggest that all the apostles were married when chosen by Jesus except John.

    I don't think this claim is going to hold up under scrutiny from a historical perspective.


    Sincerely,


    DKing
     
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    I recently read this book and felt that it reflected the character of Jesus as I envisioned him, I recommend this as a good book to have read.
     

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