Can I cancel my "LGBT" soul contract?

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by SheSearches, Dec 16, 2020.

  1. Speedwell

    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I do wish you well.

    In another post you said you wish you were anyone else other than yourself. That's something I can relate to, when I was in my later years at school in particular, I used to look around at the others, even people I didn't like or look up to, and wished I could be them instead.

    But something came to me, not immediately but some time afterwards, I realised something. I didn't know what went on inside other people's heads, or what sort of family or other situation they had, away from the school environment where I know them, But I understood that what went on inside their heads, their thoughts, their preoccupations, everything would be very different to what went on inside my head. If I really, truly did become that other person, I'd suddenly find my head stuffed with all these other 'alien', very different thoughts, and I would have to give up everything which I considered interesting or worthwhile or important. All of my own hopes and dreams would be vaporised, I would be wiped out. And than I realised I just didn't think that was a price worth paying. No matter what my own pains, struggles and difficulties, I was ME, and that was what mattered.

    I hope you can at least accept yourself, see that you have something important, you have life and you are YOU. Learning to love yourself may take longer, but please, do treat yourself as someone of value and importance. You matter.
     
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    This comment makes me question the narrative of karma that I carry about my situation. I think I understand where you are coming from, and actually maybe seeing queerness as a form of karma implies that being gay is a punishment or difficult lesson one has to learn. Why can't it be the gift or blessing I have in this life? My perception of queerness is probably the punishment or difficult lesson.

    You past life is something also worth thinking about - regret. I have never avoided an experience and not regretted it. I do need to stop fighting against myself, and that's going to be tough.

    Thanks so much for your insight.
     
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  3. Jim78

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    Hi SheSearches.

    I am not gay but my own life experience shows me that not all of us are destined to have an easy route through our love lives.

    Yet, if I may, I have noticed patterns in my own love life that give me insight.

    My first true love placed her public image above any feeling she had for me. It was almost like, in her self hatred, she manifested the highest of contempt for me as I loved her and she couldn't love herself.

    After many years and prisons and homelessness I came to a place of acceptance about myself. The wounds of life inflicted on me gave me peace and confidence...then a new challenge presented itself.

    I fell in love with a woman who wanted to throw off the shackles of public perception of her but found that she couldn't.

    This was opposite to my first love. My first love controlled her actions through public perception because she felt the need to do it to hide deep rooted insecurity.

    My second love controlled her actions through public perception despite the fact she just wanted to be free of it, she was controlled by outside forces.

    My point is that I've found that love, in many iterations, throws up many opposing and concurrent situations that resulted in the same thing....I was alone and single.

    I think that you need to make peace with yourself but also keep in mind that not all of us are destined for happy relationships.

    For me my hurt came from the expectations I placed on destiny not on destiny itself nor on the women I loved. Without expectations and with acceptance of oneself I feel that you will be on the right path to explore your own self.

    After I met my second love I understood that the hurt my first love caused me was about gaining confidence and self esteem for myself, thus I was prepared for my second love.

    I would suggest that you concentrate on self love and acceptance and eventually the Universe will give you what you need...but not necessarily what you want.

    You may live in a relationship happily ever after, you may not. In my experience living who oneself is and not putting expectations on destiny when it arrives is the path to inner peace.
     
  4. Cyrus

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    Hi, S&S:

    I'll answer to just a small part of your message, namely, to "why it seems axiomatic to...".
    IMHO, just why it seems axiomatic to ME (well, really, not so axiomatic, but fairly convincing, maybe).
    There are members on this forum, who can remember their PLs much better than you and I can, and who narrated here about having been incarnated alternatevely into men and women, without any residual hysteresis effect.

    For me it's quite sufficient.

    Best regards.
     
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    tanker Senior Registered

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    I'm glad if my experiences have helped you in any way. I certainly find nothing in my innate sexuality that could be thought of as a punishment or a lesson, as I'm very content with it. I'm no longer going to be commenting publicly on this thread, but I'm more than happy to offer support on PM any time, if you feel it would be helpful. Wishing you all the very best in finding a way to live a happier life.
     
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    Hi Cyrus,

    This board represents a fairly limited data set. Here is a larger data compilation for analysis:

    https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/reincarnation-cases-sex-change

    I am not vouching for the source overall, as I have not sought to review other issues it covers. However, this seems to be a fairly succinct but thorough compilation and analysis of existing data from serious researchers. From my standpoint, it leaves many issues unresolved, but that is probably to be expected at this stage of research. I also don't see that it definitively resolves the issue we have been discussing, but I'll be interested in your thoughts and reactions after review.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  7. Cyrus

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    Hi, S&S:

    I'm really confused:

    I thought we were talking of whether the souls (spirits) have gender or not.

    But in this last article of yours they talk about the residual influence of a PL gender of a re-incarnated individual on his/her behaviour in a new life, when the gender changes.
    I, more or less agree on this with your article, but the starting point idea was not that.

    Two different scenarios may arise:

    1. Souls have genders, and a male soul gets re-incarnated into a female, or vice-versa.
    2. Souls have no genders, and a soul, previously incarnated into a male, this time incarnates into a female, or vice-versa.

    Regards.
     
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    Hi Cyrus,

    I provided the cite as I thought you might appreciate a more thorough treatment on some of the issues related to cross-gender reincarnation.

    As you say, the two possibilities are Souls have gender or they do not. I don't think we'll be able to get any farther than that in our discussion at this time, so best to let it be for the time being.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    S&S, Interesting observations. I believe that the reason why we still retain our gender on the astral plane after death is because first it is the next dimension just beyond the physical where emotional awareness takes place plus the astral body being made of much finer matter than the physical tends to mold itself to the heavier physical frame work and form of the physical body along with the persons mindset and personality during the last incarnation. However the higher we go in dimensions the less matter there is presence and the more spiritual substances there is manifesting itself. Once soul reaches the casual or soul plane all lower matter is dropped completely and the soul returns to its natural spiritual state of being in its purest form.

    Many don't realize that when we are incarnated into the physical most of what is being manifested here is mostly physical matter with the lower ego largely in control of the show since it is dealing with the lower mind with very little spiritual substance getting thru to have experience here. Its not much but enough for the soul to have its experience here. However without the presences of the soul manifesting itself thru matter, matter can not hold itself together for long and will fall apart. In which case it will return to the natural elements of the earth plane. This is why when we die and the soul withdraws from the heavy physical body as the silver cord snaps the physical body as a whole starts to fall apart. It is no longer alive as a whole unit anymore but its individual cells still live on for awhile until they too return to the earth to feed and nourish planets and animal ect.. The soul has simply shifted its full awareness now in the astral body where it will continue to live on as before except now its full conscious awareness is on the astral now. This goes for all life be it man, animal, planets, ect... As all things are apart of spirit itself.

    Peace and love to you always.

    P.
     
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    SheSearches, It does not matter if your gay, straight, bi, black, white, Asian, poor, rich, are of a different culture, religion, spiritual path or the many other things that make us different as individuals we are all still apart of divine love. For soul comes from the heart of god and divine love not sin. You are not a human that has a soul but a soul that is having a human experience. Always remember this my dear. Karma is not about punishment or reward. It's a tool to help the soul know itself thru trial and error. For soul is here so it may know itself by its own experience.

    Peace and love always.

    P.
     
  11. Speedwell

    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I don't think those are the only possibilities.

    I look at things more broadly, some come into this life carrying intensely strong memories of previous life/lives, while others are seemingly unaware of any past (though research suggests most people do have some previous existence, it is more a case of not being able to remember).

    Given the huge variability in people's recall, whether conscious or buried but manifesting in other ways such as trauma having no present-life cause, it seems to me that one cannot say very much about what is our 'true' nature. Personally I feel it is going beyond what we can know, to make definitive assertions about what are the available list of possibilities.
     
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    Hi Speedwell,

    One reason I stopped pursuing the matter is that I realized that the question of soul gender inevitably involves the question of "origins"--where/what we came from? I also think it will inevitably involve the other "biggies"--where/what we (as soul/spirit) are going towards, and why? At this point, the proposed answers to all of these questions all appear to lie in the religious and philosophical domains. The scientific study of reincarnation and supporting realities (such as the nature of whatever immaterial "something" reincarnates) has barely gotten off of the ground, much less progressed to any coherent understanding of the "big" questions. In terms of science we might find common ground for agreement. In terms of religion and philosophy, the chances are minimal. It's fun to consider the possibilities sometimes, but probably better done on a thread dedicated to that purpose.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--Nonetheless, and perhaps because very little is clear in these matters, I believe we are entitled to our respective opinions on all of the foregoing matters, including soul gender.
     
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    First of all, I'm sorry this is so hard for you and that you feel you don't have any support.

    You chose this path for a reason. Why do you think that is? That's not a snarky question, but really think about it. What can you take from all this? The real lesson here may be somewhat removed from your sexual orientation.

    Personally, I think we fall in love with a soul and not a body/society's idea of what constitutes as male or female. Human constructs often cloud our judgement.

    We can only be who we are. Who that person is is up to you.
     
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    Come on, Klaud,

    If this were true, then the planet Earth would get depopulated long long ago, because the souls here live IN the bodies, and the bodies are mortal and have to pro-create.

    Love is only a by-product of the biological instinct of pro-creation, to help us to choose a partner best suited to produce the fittest new organism with.

    This self-perpetuation instinct has undergone millenia of evolution, but, like a complex computer program, may still have certain errors (bugs), affecting the body's sexual orientation.

    A soul may be offered a physical body with such a bug to re-incarnate into, for some reasons that we ignore.

    IMHO.

    Best regards.
     
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    I apologize for the perceived offense. Here in India, I have not yet come in contact with homosexuals to understand them better. I have come across two bisexuals who now pursue a heterosexual lifestyle.There are transgender people called Hijra's in Indian language, who are believed to have the power to confer blessings on people during childbirth and weddings, and it is considered inaupicious to offend them or cause them misery.

    The viewpoint suggested is that social and religious conditioning may have something to do with homosexuality, and it is for expressing this view that I put this post here. Apologizing again for any hurt feelings or sentiments and expressing my deepest well-wishes of peace and prosperity .
     
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    Note from moderator: after a complaint of a member of the forum, the original post of AjayO was pulled and under admin review.
     
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    AjayO, thank you for your kind apology. I really appreciate that. I realise that the quotation you chose as an illustration is from a source that clearly has no understanding of the subject! Sending all good wishes to you also.
     
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. An excellent summation of Humanist viewpoints that I think has broader meaning for all life:

    The Vulcan IDIC: Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations:

    The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and in how our differences combine to create meaning and beauty.

    I personally don't believe based on my experiences that the source, the creator, universal consciousness....whatever, creates errors or bugs. IMO there is no such thing as coincidence.

    It is very possible that the presence of differing sexualities, genders, races, cultures etc exist in this world to teach us, as a species, to eventually accept and celebrate diversity.

    What differences teach on a personal level is probably individual IMO.

    Also if we go back to thinking and treating differing sexuality as a disease to be treated IMO we risk returning to the barbarism that occurred in Europe just over three quarters of a century ago.

    I posted originally on the thread because I didn't like the direction it was headed in and I personally believe that embracing diversity does not mean having the freedom to foster bigoted viewpoints.

    Just saying...look at the OPs name...SheSearches. We are supposed to be encouraging her to embrace her differences not condemn her with overly intellectualised and non empathic opinions nor with concepts that her uniqueness is somehow erroneous or diseased.

    Its careless, dangerous and unhelpful IMO. There is zero evidence of some kind of universal bugs or errors or of disease also. Why speculate away a new member who came here hoping for understanding?
     
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    Nothing is new under the sun. It has all happened before.

    The days of Lot. And labeling the bitter for sweet, and the sweet for bitter. The game of illusions.

    There is nothing to fear, for those who put their faith and their trust in the truth. Then the truth will shine for them and their souls, as a lamp for their feet as they walk through the darkest of ages.

    Sweet is sweet.
    And what is bitter is bitter.

    Never doupt it. Trust the truth, and not the illusion. Every day, every hour, every minute and for every breathtake of your life, the truth shall set you free.
     
  20. Cyrus

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    Oh, tanker,

    Please, don't overrate the importance of my insignificant opinion.

    I learnt it from my biology teacher at school. Besides teaching, she also worked as a researcher in a genetics laboratory.

    And I guess the most scientists have the same or similar opinion, too, poor devils. IMHO.

    Regards.
     
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