sortoflikeheaven
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Hi There! I guess I am kind of desperate to write about this - but what the heck, I have to give it a shot, right?
In one of my experienced past lives (revealed itself during P.L. regression meditation) I found myself in the 1890's London, U.K. Being this female born around 1870 and who's family came from Austria or Germany. Their last name was sounding like GroBelstein but the B had been changed into two s. Could not make it out. Her father's name was Cecil or Cecile or Cecily and one of her names was Cecily. She was nicknamed Missy and Kitty by her family. Her biological mother died, I am guessing child birth. Her father's sister, married, lived in UK and had a husband who's name I think was Rufus.
Missy absolutely adored Rufus but found her aunt very strict, just like her father. Missy was aware that they were somehow different, both in tradition, raising the children (more strict than an English child, more limited and more demanding) and I am guessing a certain twist in the religion field. Like she was only an English girl so far and that she was not allowed to do certain things.
She had several cousins. For some years Missy lived with this family and her father would visit. Then her father remarried to a younger woman who was blond. Did not get her name, Missy just called her "Mother" (typical). He insisted on taking Missy back to live with them in a villa in London.
When she was 6 she had a little brother, Nicholas (so maybe her stepmother was from Russia? I don't know...). From what I could tell her family was very much upper class. Much money. I kept saying "Rotschield", without knowing what it meant. I had a feeling her father - this very strict looking businessman of his day - worked at a bank or that they were somehow related to the Rotschield name or that Rufus was a Rotschield, even possible that her future fiance was a Rotschield. When I later looked it up I found that Rotschield is a town in the US and a old famous Rotschield family that owned banks.
Anyhow, the real trouble in Missy's life starts when she has finished school and after arranged dates with families around find herself engaged to a young man who works at her father's place. Just like that. Missy had been during her upbringing in her father's home physically punished by her father and so has her little brother. Missy sees her father as a black spider and she was just a fly in his net. Fears this will continue if she marries, but then her husband will be the spider instead. Her fiance is angry with her. I don't know if it was because she had her doubts.
All hell breaks loose as she is trying to cancel the engagement. It is like she does not have a legitimate reason to do this. That both these prestigious families are involved. That if they do not marry both their reputation will be ruined and they will not be able to marry someone else. Once they meet in church and he tells her that when (not if) they marry he will punish her, that his family has also insisted on this and that afterwards they will go on to have babies and live a contempt life (never mind what she wants). In a way to save his honor I felt as if they wanted her signed off to some mental institution, that that would be a legitimate reason.
Somehow she escapes this, but I feel as if she had to leave her family and leave her upper social group - and that she wanted to leave too, but that her family was bitter and they were trying to still have her in their lives. Then I see that she dresses in black, as if she is in mourning and the dresses were more simple than the usual ones she had. This sort of confused the man she was in love with who worked/owned a caf'e, restaurant by a lake in one of London's parks, to think they came from the same social class. From what I could tell they were eventually married. She lives in an apartment with her husband. They wanted children, but she had some trouble with pain in her lower tummy area.
Before her marriage she had started going to suffragette meetings around 1890. She lived at home at the time and her father caught her (she had not told him she was off to these meetings) once and they had a fight about this. Later in life I realized she was involved for real. She would switch names, clothes from different social groups, would remove her rings, would be imprisoned and be force fed.
I experienced one march where the females all walked peacefully but strategically. There were people standing on the side looking at them. She was a bit nervous. I experienced all sort of things: that she was involved in helping women giving childbirth, that there was a market that her husband and she used to go to, but they were kind of dressed up on this occasion - one time both wearing brown, maybe it was on Sundays? She had this emotional good-bye-talk with her husband when he was leaving her. He said he could not stand going to bed alone not knowing where she was, if she was captured, if she was starving in jail - and she had forbidden him to go and look for her as well. She just thought this would be for a period of time, but also felt they were getting closer and they needed to endure and be strong. It just broke her heart to loose him.
I feel as if he was bitter, and she did not dare to visit him once she was released at his restaurant where he usually was, working. I wished I had his name. I think it was her stomach that somehow managed to kill her, what ever it now was. She died in bed and suddenly saw her own body lying there in bed from the ceiling, and her father - her only visit at the time - in an armchair, possibly sleeping. If there is a suffragette expertise out there that might recognize something in my story to help me identify her (if Missy now was ever real that is) or know how/where to look I would greatly appreciate it. Someone else who experienced a past life during this period? I'd love to know.
Added experiences:
Looking on Internet for more info about the suffragette movement which I knew very little of before:
Read on this page http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Frances_Gordon that "...Adopting an alias was not uncommon for campaigners, either to avoid their families being condemned by association or to evade capture by police." (I did not know this prior)
Experienced being Missy standing on the side (where the round tower is) of this (massive) house owned by the family Rothschield .
It is called Waddeston and according to page https://rothschildfoundation.org.uk/who-we-are/history/the-rothschilds-and-waddesdon-2/ it was built as a summer house and they would invite friends over.
The two houses on the right are familiar; the Apsley House & the Rothschild mansion. This is in the Hyde Park area.
Emmeline Pethick-Lawrence (far left) at a suffragette march in Hyde Park, 23 July 1910, with (L-R) Dame Christabel Pankhurst, Sylvia Pankhurst and Emily Wilding Davison Source from page: https://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/themes/people/activists/suffragettes/suffrage-surrey/
Picture above is from the webpage https://mashable.com/2015/01/12/suffragettes-vs-police/?europe=true#aRaUR86ZqZqD. The way the lady in the picture is dressed, especially with shawl was what I was experiencing her wearing at home and when to go out from the apartment she shared with her husband one time in the evening.
St James' Park, that was where There were some marches regarding the suffragette movement through the St James' Park in 1914
Found photo below from Daily Mail page (link). Text under says: "Mrs Broom managed to capture suffragettes, soldiers and protests taking place in London such as nurses and midwives marching as part of the Pageant of Women's Trades and Professions which took place through the city and ended at the Royal Albert Hall in April 1909"
Added info from wikipedia: "Mayer Rothschild successfully kept the fortune in the family with carefully arranged marriages, often between first- or second-cousins (similar to royal intermarriage). By the late 19th century, however, almost all Rothschilds had started to marry outside the family, usually into the aristocracy or other financial dynasties.". So maybe "Missy" was once dating, engaged to a Rothschield? Maybe it is still a possibility, before from what I've read they only married within the family, cousins.
In one of my experienced past lives (revealed itself during P.L. regression meditation) I found myself in the 1890's London, U.K. Being this female born around 1870 and who's family came from Austria or Germany. Their last name was sounding like GroBelstein but the B had been changed into two s. Could not make it out. Her father's name was Cecil or Cecile or Cecily and one of her names was Cecily. She was nicknamed Missy and Kitty by her family. Her biological mother died, I am guessing child birth. Her father's sister, married, lived in UK and had a husband who's name I think was Rufus.
Missy absolutely adored Rufus but found her aunt very strict, just like her father. Missy was aware that they were somehow different, both in tradition, raising the children (more strict than an English child, more limited and more demanding) and I am guessing a certain twist in the religion field. Like she was only an English girl so far and that she was not allowed to do certain things.
She had several cousins. For some years Missy lived with this family and her father would visit. Then her father remarried to a younger woman who was blond. Did not get her name, Missy just called her "Mother" (typical). He insisted on taking Missy back to live with them in a villa in London.
When she was 6 she had a little brother, Nicholas (so maybe her stepmother was from Russia? I don't know...). From what I could tell her family was very much upper class. Much money. I kept saying "Rotschield", without knowing what it meant. I had a feeling her father - this very strict looking businessman of his day - worked at a bank or that they were somehow related to the Rotschield name or that Rufus was a Rotschield, even possible that her future fiance was a Rotschield. When I later looked it up I found that Rotschield is a town in the US and a old famous Rotschield family that owned banks.
Anyhow, the real trouble in Missy's life starts when she has finished school and after arranged dates with families around find herself engaged to a young man who works at her father's place. Just like that. Missy had been during her upbringing in her father's home physically punished by her father and so has her little brother. Missy sees her father as a black spider and she was just a fly in his net. Fears this will continue if she marries, but then her husband will be the spider instead. Her fiance is angry with her. I don't know if it was because she had her doubts.
All hell breaks loose as she is trying to cancel the engagement. It is like she does not have a legitimate reason to do this. That both these prestigious families are involved. That if they do not marry both their reputation will be ruined and they will not be able to marry someone else. Once they meet in church and he tells her that when (not if) they marry he will punish her, that his family has also insisted on this and that afterwards they will go on to have babies and live a contempt life (never mind what she wants). In a way to save his honor I felt as if they wanted her signed off to some mental institution, that that would be a legitimate reason.
Somehow she escapes this, but I feel as if she had to leave her family and leave her upper social group - and that she wanted to leave too, but that her family was bitter and they were trying to still have her in their lives. Then I see that she dresses in black, as if she is in mourning and the dresses were more simple than the usual ones she had. This sort of confused the man she was in love with who worked/owned a caf'e, restaurant by a lake in one of London's parks, to think they came from the same social class. From what I could tell they were eventually married. She lives in an apartment with her husband. They wanted children, but she had some trouble with pain in her lower tummy area.
Before her marriage she had started going to suffragette meetings around 1890. She lived at home at the time and her father caught her (she had not told him she was off to these meetings) once and they had a fight about this. Later in life I realized she was involved for real. She would switch names, clothes from different social groups, would remove her rings, would be imprisoned and be force fed.
I experienced one march where the females all walked peacefully but strategically. There were people standing on the side looking at them. She was a bit nervous. I experienced all sort of things: that she was involved in helping women giving childbirth, that there was a market that her husband and she used to go to, but they were kind of dressed up on this occasion - one time both wearing brown, maybe it was on Sundays? She had this emotional good-bye-talk with her husband when he was leaving her. He said he could not stand going to bed alone not knowing where she was, if she was captured, if she was starving in jail - and she had forbidden him to go and look for her as well. She just thought this would be for a period of time, but also felt they were getting closer and they needed to endure and be strong. It just broke her heart to loose him.
I feel as if he was bitter, and she did not dare to visit him once she was released at his restaurant where he usually was, working. I wished I had his name. I think it was her stomach that somehow managed to kill her, what ever it now was. She died in bed and suddenly saw her own body lying there in bed from the ceiling, and her father - her only visit at the time - in an armchair, possibly sleeping. If there is a suffragette expertise out there that might recognize something in my story to help me identify her (if Missy now was ever real that is) or know how/where to look I would greatly appreciate it. Someone else who experienced a past life during this period? I'd love to know.
Added experiences:
Looking on Internet for more info about the suffragette movement which I knew very little of before:
Read on this page http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Frances_Gordon that "...Adopting an alias was not uncommon for campaigners, either to avoid their families being condemned by association or to evade capture by police." (I did not know this prior)
Experienced being Missy standing on the side (where the round tower is) of this (massive) house owned by the family Rothschield .
It is called Waddeston and according to page https://rothschildfoundation.org.uk/who-we-are/history/the-rothschilds-and-waddesdon-2/ it was built as a summer house and they would invite friends over.
The two houses on the right are familiar; the Apsley House & the Rothschild mansion. This is in the Hyde Park area.
Emmeline Pethick-Lawrence (far left) at a suffragette march in Hyde Park, 23 July 1910, with (L-R) Dame Christabel Pankhurst, Sylvia Pankhurst and Emily Wilding Davison Source from page: https://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/themes/people/activists/suffragettes/suffrage-surrey/
Picture above is from the webpage https://mashable.com/2015/01/12/suffragettes-vs-police/?europe=true#aRaUR86ZqZqD. The way the lady in the picture is dressed, especially with shawl was what I was experiencing her wearing at home and when to go out from the apartment she shared with her husband one time in the evening.
St James' Park, that was where There were some marches regarding the suffragette movement through the St James' Park in 1914
Found photo below from Daily Mail page (link). Text under says: "Mrs Broom managed to capture suffragettes, soldiers and protests taking place in London such as nurses and midwives marching as part of the Pageant of Women's Trades and Professions which took place through the city and ended at the Royal Albert Hall in April 1909"
Added info from wikipedia: "Mayer Rothschild successfully kept the fortune in the family with carefully arranged marriages, often between first- or second-cousins (similar to royal intermarriage). By the late 19th century, however, almost all Rothschilds had started to marry outside the family, usually into the aristocracy or other financial dynasties.". So maybe "Missy" was once dating, engaged to a Rothschield? Maybe it is still a possibility, before from what I've read they only married within the family, cousins.
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