Carnivore diet and stone age stuff

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    Yuletide... I had eaten over 1 kilo (~2 lbs) of meat before noon today. Beef, pork, deer, lamb, veal, sheep, moose and about a fist sized portion of smoked salmon. It is the Yule variation of our "smörgåsbord" tradition. Basically the Yule buffets starts around the beginning of December and a person goes to a few of these banquet-like events every year. Either with work, family, friends etc. There is also one at Yule proper. There was about a ton of desserts and I did not have any. Just meat in ten or twelve varieties and water. Good Lord. I do not want to eat anymore. Ever. Hibernation seems like a good idea, suddenly.

    My minor transgression with the cherries does not seem to have snapped me out of ketosis, anyway. Still feeling fine.
     
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    Hi Ritter,

    I've been thinking about this whole ethical thing vis-a-vis vegetarianism. Something said to me by a minister in the late 70s came back to me. He was commenting on various thing he realized when out in the field in third world countries, and one of them was the fact that vegetarianism is just not practical in much of the world. He was thinking particularly about his experiences in an arid area where people ran cattle. From what he saw, growing crops for food was just not really practical--instead the cattle the people raised browsed the thin grass and vegetation available over large land areas and converted it to useful food for the people there. This was the only way they could really survive in that environment. I don't know if they had some gardens they used to supplement or not--it was a conversation a very long time ago--but it was obvious to him that in that environment the only way they could survive is by having cattle harvest and process (and concentrate) the sparse vegetation into something useful to humans.

    This may be the case in many areas. I know that where I live the soil is very sandy and not very good for growing vegetables. The people historically raised scrub cattle that grazed the pine woods and hammocks (free range) and rounded them up for shipment as do people in many areas. They could raise a little corn, which was used to help feed the horses that pulled the plows, etc. For vegetables they used the cattle to enrich the soil for vegetable gardens in a particular area by penning them up for a time and then plowing the manure into the soil. This was done by rounding up cows and calves and penning them for a while, then letting the cows out every day to graze (while retaining the calves to bring the cows back to the pen later). Anyhow, even though not particularly arid, the sandy soil is poor and the same type of vital role was played by cattle in terms of concentrating nutrients for human consumption and also for enriching the soil for some vegetables to supplement. The cattle that were not consumed were sold to help pay for the basic necessities of life--and they weren't rich. I'm sure the same might be true in a lot of arid/sandy/rocky/hilly areas around the world.

    Anyhow, just some thoughts on the matter.

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    Anyone who has seen more than the inside of a city should know that. Besides, if it isn't really food, we should not eat it.

    Also, in my mind, the linch-pin in this question is whether animals have souls or not. An insect clearly doesn't. A plant clearly doesn't. I do not believe that any animals and most humans do, either. Not in any deep sense, anyway. Just look at the world. Clearly not enlightened, is it? Not the result of lifetime after lifetime of growth, but a result of a dumb and spiritually dead majority.

    Anyway. Ethics-wise, meat eating is fine. It takes less water to raise a pound of beef than to grow a pound of wheat. They usually omit that in the pop culture sob-documentaries... And if there is a problem with area used for agriculture, the reason is that there are too many hooman beans on earth.
     
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    The whole household has influenza of some nasty kind for a few days. Still in bed. Since thursday. Mostly been sleeping or in bed with phone or book. Some computer time between fevers. Nobody is able to go to the store, so the diet is officially broken. Better to break faste rather than infect others with this just in time for christmas. No fresh meat for some days, anyway. Living on canned, dry and frozen stuff for now. Mostly chicken and rice, sausages or soup. I have to admit it feels kind of good to eat more varied. Feels like the body handles it better after the meat faste. No bloating. Perhaps this diet is for short term fasting/healing in my case. I will go back to it once it is practical again, though.
     
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    After getting the flu and the disgusting foods of the holidays that one has to eat for social reasons, I am getting back to eating mostly meat. And no, did not get sick because of my diet. Everyone around me at work and at home got sick before me and I could not avoid being exposed to it. My daughter sneezed in my face. Adorable, but that is how I got sick as a dog. The influenza always gets me once per year unless I abuse vitamin D, which I was not doing, sadly.

    I say mostly meat, because I will eat some berries, some leafy greens, some honey in cooking and some nuts occasionally. I will also throw in vitamin D pills, since I live in the far north and there is no sun at the moment. Not more than one serving of vegetable matter, not much and not more than once per day. Call it a pretty strict sort of paleo diet or something. But it will be something like 99% meat, calorie-wise and it will still have next to no carbohydrates or fiber. If it does not have the same kind of feeling as an all-meat diet, I will cut things out and replace with things that do not cause perceived negative health effects.

    Also, I will toss in more things like pork spare ribs and back loin ribs every once in a while. Simply because I really, really like ribs. The ribs are the reason for the honey. Ribs should be cooked with some honey and spices, otherwise they are not all they can be. Beef is absolutely perfect with minimal seasoning and almost raw, pork just isn't. Pork without seasoning and serious cooking is just nasty.

    Anyway, after eating like everybody does, I feel absolutely terrible. I realize keeping to a strict diet is not always possible and I can't act like a rude reverse vegan around my family and demand that they adapt after my dietaty choices. So I will occasionally not be able to just eat meat. But now I can eat like this for months at least before anybody can ruin it again. :)
     
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    As a stone age man sidenote, I tried something interesting a short while ago. Has anyone heard of Wim Hof also known as the Ice Man? Well, he has climbed mount Everest in just shorts and ran a half-marathon at winter in northern Finland. If you are not familiar with the place, which is close to where I am from, it is an arctic climate. Intensely cold. Well, he does a certain kind of breathing exercises to control the body. It is rather interesting, I must say. Said and done, I felt challenged, and there is no stone age type challenge I won't take on, be it raw meat, cutting down trees and building a shelter with stone tools or trying to withstand cold in minimal clothing. So I went out and did. And it did not work for 15 hellish minutes. It felt like I was freezing my ears and hands off. Then it worked all of a sudden and heat flowed in and my fingers were no longer numb. So when I came home from my walk in summer clothing in freezing temperature, I took a cold shower and tried the breathing stuff again. And again it worked, even if the cold upon cold was almost too much as a beginner step. But it was cool. Pun intended. The cold water in the pipes in winter here is like 4 degrees celsius. Just above freezing. And I can confirm what the guy says in his videos. This will literally get you high. Highly interesting. It is supposedly very healthy and scientifically confirmed.



     
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    Hi Ritter,

    You may need everything you have learned about surviving in the cold if this NASA article is correct:

    https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/

    Actually, back in the early 80s "educated opinion" was that we were due for another Ice Age. The current rush of "educated opinion" is in the opposite direction (but I take this with more than a grain of salt). However, that old Ice Age prediction is still in the back of my mind. So, best to keep in practice for the cold where you're located!

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    We'll see. I would not cry too much if it got colder on average. It would be better for civilization to fail sooner rather than later, to paraphrase the Unabomber... We are made for cold. Not so much those I see as invaders. Too bad there are no mammoths or aurochs. Some megafauna type animals with fatty meat to go with the cold would have been nice. Then again, they are reviving the aurochs in Poland and various other countries. The Czech republic and so forth. Huge bovines, essentially.

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    Hi Ritter,

    Wow! That's some bovine! But to get back to the cold, I recall reading about the types of hardy souls who live in the wilds of upper Canada. Some of them professed to like the isolation and extreme cold because it "kept the riff raff out!" This is rather brutal, but I can see what they mean. No day trippers or touristy types. No drunks poopin on the doorstep or lying in the sidewalks (there are no resources for them and they would starve/freeze). No criminals (at least of the usual sort) as there is very little to steal, people/houses are too scattered, and they are well armed. No SJWs/Snowflakes (of the human sort) for all of the foregoing reasons. The list could go on and on. Of course all of these are God's beloved children, etc. and I'm not trying to hate on them. Most of them just need jobs/housing, treatment, growing up, and/or incarceration (as appropriate to the case). Nevertheless, I think that most people living in large cities in the U.S. would love for their neighborhoods to be free of some or all of the named categories.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Which is exactly why I have a farm in the particular area I am in. No riffraff. At all. Everyone and his granny has guns and grows something. Some only grow grass for animals and potatoes, but nearly always something. People mind their own business but help each other out. I see lots of others who I can guarantee you are preppers. But one does not ask about stuff like that.
     
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    This has been an interesting thread Ritter. I respect your lifestyle and chosen environment even though it would not work for me as I could not function on loose ground. However, much of what you talk about is a concern of mine about grass-fed animals and the problems with GMOs. Our body-builds are different as I've only been above 90 kg twice in my life and mainly been a little less than 80. While my blood type is A positive I can not imagine excluding meat from my diet.

    I've been fortunate in not liking alcohol and had enough discipline to give up smoking by simply deciding to give up just one - the 'next one'. I'm amazed at the people, especially my age, that give their health issues to doctors. Although I have blood-pressure problems which affected my kidneys, I take no other medications. The kidney problems have led to the need to consult another physician who was surprised that I was as healthy as I was for my age and background. He soon found that he was to assist me with my problem rather being in charge with it remarking about my avoidance of certain vaccines and medications but the use of a list of supplements which I took as a vindication of my choices.

    After the posts by you and S&S about hunting and living in the 'wilds', I came upon this cartoon and thought it belonged here.
     

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    So blood type can bring in some issues when going through with this diet? My blood type is O+
     
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    Same as mine.

    On another note, I just managed to hold my breath for three minutes with the Wim Hof breathing technique. Timed with my cell phone stop watch. Absolutely insane. I am on day 4 of doing his exercises. My time was around one minute when I began! I was a couple of seconds late in pressing the start button because I fumbled, so add two seconds. Screenshot below.

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    ritter you really need to look into the eyes of an animal..if you listen they will communicate with you. Most people have lost that innate connection..if you live on a farm and slaughter animals you should try to take the time and notice they have souls. On another note I have many Vegan and Vegetarian friends and they are all beautiful and healthy. They have high morals and work for a cause. And ALL live in Europe. When i first went without meat i too missed it. But that was a long time ago....and i feel great.
     
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    Right. You are on my ignore list. I would be grateful if you did not waste my time and added me to yours in turn. Goodbye.
     
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    New PR on the breath-holding part.
     
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    What's the goal ... to stop breathing? Just kidding :)
     
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    The goal is of course to replace air with meat and cold water.

    Nah. The goal is to be able to do what Wim Hof does. I.e. being outside without much clothing or go for a swim in arctic conditions, or free-dive for long periods of time. The technique also comes with health benefits. If you youtubed Wim Hof, you would get it. I want to be able to do what stone age people did all the time without thinking, or what Shaolin or Tibetan monks do. This is related to that, except it has been demystified and scientifically studied/explained. It is just a matter of a few simple breathing exercises. Nothing religious or mystical about it. It oxygenates the blood, the breath-holding triggers the fight/flight-reaponse and adrenaline ptoduction and enables air to be stored in the lymph nodes. It also triggers the body's native production of opioids and AEA cannabinoids, which literally makes you high (calm) and nearly impervious to pain such as cold. The extreme oxygenation makes the blood/tissues alkaline, which is beneficial to long-term health. It has all been studied extensively for many years. Very interesting and definitely pleasant. It is interesting how something like a cold shower or a walkabout without winter clothing in freezing conditions can become something nice instead of something awful. It is currently below -20 C outside. With the method in question, it feels more like +10. Due to increased blood flow and heating of the extremities and lack of pain from the cold. Due to the increased bloodflow, there is no frostbite. But of course one should be careful.

    I simply like doing things that prove that mind is indeed over matter. I was heavily into Japanese martial arts when I was younger, as well as parkour, later I did powerlifting and other things that defy what is perceived as normal. If I slap myself in the face a little and get artificially mad, as powerlifters do, I can pull nearly three times my body weight in a deadlift. The power of the mind over the body is extreme. And the body is far stronger than what most people believe. I am also a Zen practicioner, back from my martial arts days. It is another form of the same thing. The sort of focus one can achieve (while doing anything in a focused manner) is supreme. I am by no means a master, but I sometimes achieve this merger with what I am doing, and it creates truly great results. Whether it is while cooking, in competitive shooting or anything else that I am trying to master. The Japanese (SOME of them) use this type of meditative focus in all things. It is required to become "Kung Fu" (a master) in any given field of endeavor. Archery, cutting things with katana/nodachi, archery, trimming tiny trees, making sushi, pottery, painting, gardening... You name it. Zen.

    Essentially, it is about self-improvement. I write about it partially to document new things and partially to infect others to try it and become what Musashi would have called Real Human Beings. Truly alive and present.

    I hope this answers your joke in a sufficient manner. And I do have humor. I just believe in explaining things thoroughly when they do not appear to be particularly well-understood.
     
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    Thank you for this explanation. Very interesting! I agree, truly remarkable things can be accomplished by the human mind and body.

    I wonder, do you have a belief on why you are here on Earth now? What is the purpose of your life? Also, why are we, humans, on this Earth? Why do we keep reincarnating?
     
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    Thanks for appreciating it in turn and asking interesting questions. I do not know entirely about others. Most probably have various different purposes. Otherwise, I guess people would not be different, would they? I am here essentially to get some people through alive and well in the coming decades, when things will inevitably take a turn for the worse (to put it diplomatically). I have been told it is the last time for me and that I will die in the spring of 2048 by a gunshot wound. Which is fitting. "Whoever spills a man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed" and all that. By the time I am done, I will have spilled much blood and mine shall be spilled in order to balance that debt. I do not know who will kill me or why. But I know exactly where and that I will likely have been successful in my endeavors and that I will die before I get too old. And I literally want to die before I hit my mid sixties. I have an inkling that it will be over some trivial conflict and that it will not threaten those I am supposed to bring through the coming shift of age in any way. My job will be long over by then. It is literally torture to experience cognitive and physical decline. At a certain point, age does not make you any wiser. My purpose has always been to fight and I strongly prefer to die while I am reasonably strong and while doing what I love instead of rotting away for decades in some retirement home. I genuinely love war, for some reason. Probably because I am exceedingly good at it and probably because it binds men together in a brotherhood that is more real than anything else I have experienced in any life. I am far too old to not love a just war for a worthy cause. I think the proverbial tomorrow will be about survival at first, and then about rebuilding civilization in a more sustainable and natural manner than its current incarnation. This job will befall myself and a lot of others like me. Thlse who prepared for it. I pray daily that I will not do wrong or be one of the tyrants that I hate, whether on a small local scale or in a larger setting. This is my major worry. I essentially want the impossible. A world with a very high degree of freedom, populated mostly with people who will not abuse it. How does one go about that? I believe faith and tribal peer pressure could help. Laws are not worth much, it seems.

    I essentially view reincarnation and life on earth as the battle between good and evil. I am not a relativist. As I view it, we get sent here to do what we are supposed to do by essentially "God". Some do their job and continue on the joruney towards not having to go back. Some fall off the straight and narrow and fail/cease to exist. I do not believe in a hell. The cessation of the soul upon severe failure to do one's job explains the majority of people feeling rather 'new'. It is easy to be complacent or to become decadent, evil or such. People feel new to me. Like they are not very deep. Simply because most, it seems to me, are on their maiden journey, so to speak.

    When all is said and done, I know where I will go. Elysium. I have a valley there. It is so perfect as to be otherworldly. It is like if you combine heaven and ancient northern Italy. It will no doubt bore me in a while and I will likely find some other path to walk towards higher ends. I doubt I will ever be content, even if I try. Or perhaps the afterlife will grant me peace of mind enough that I do not worry about mankind anymore. Perhaps I will not need to? I hope so. I very much feel like having a very long rest. I feel like a tank that has survived countless hits beyond enemy lines and finally being near to a friendly base, the treads barely working and the welds almost coming apart in places. God knows I have been through the wringer. Not that I feel very traumatized or dysfunctional, but I want to rest and have peace after several thousands of years where I spent my lives fighting against the same evil wearing many different faces in different times and places.

    I believe that Inhave been given this foreknowledge as well as a moderately easy but still important task, compared to previous ones, as to not fail in my task at the last round. Heaven does have some sympathy for its aging servants, it seems. I picked up that it is a form of mercy, and while I am generally tired of life on this planet, I am thankful that I can almost literally count the days until I get to go home to stay.

    What about you?
     
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