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Discussion in 'Past Life Memories' started by Lovea, May 27, 2015.

  1. Lovea

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    "at another level you seem to be disappointed that this board is (1) not more multicultural and/or (2) that there are not more multicultural PLs reported." I am not disappointed. It is just something I recognized and questioned.


    "On the second point (2), you seem to be unhappy that some types of minority lives are more reported on the board than others." I am not unhappy. It is again just something that stood out for me and I explained why it seemed weird to me.


    "At still another level you seem incensed about the basic inequalities in the world and particularly seem to blame Western culture as the perpetrator or creator of such inequalities." I am not blaming. The west was and is the creator of most global inequalities. This by the way has nothing to do with western culture in my opinion.


    "...and the position of the West atop the current geocultural and political heap is only one more transitory facet of an ongoing story." You are right about that I guess.


    In the end I was just questioning the fact that a lot of people claim to have lived in mostly one area of the world and seem to have memories of cultures that are well-known and/or memories that correspond to how that culture is portrayed in media and books. And you are right the answers didn't satisfy me and I think it is probably not a question that can be answered in that sense. There are certain ways of seeing this and I do understand what you were telling me and maybe you are right but maybe you are not. Really knowing what a past life memory is and what not is also really hard I guess. I personally don't trust the pictures I see when I do a regression. Because as long as there aren't specific informations coming up instead of some blurry landscapes it could be just a construction of my mind made up of knowledge, desire and what not.
     
  2. SeaAndSky

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    Lovea,


    You raise a very pertinent issue: the problem of false memories.


    This is an issue that is not only recognized on the board, but tends to be a "fly in the ointment" for some. The creativity of the mind in spinning false memories is a well-known phenomenon. This issue not only creates uncertainty for many, but tends to drive further investigation in "objective" sources by most in order to understand and/or validate "memories" obtained. Thus, you will find many threads where people are seeking to track down and validate details related to particular epochs that they "remembered" or even the specific identity of the person or situation remembered.


    OTOH, some are very certain of the validity of their memories. This seems to be especially true of those who spontaneously "remember" past lives, and often have done so since childhood. For myself, I have to wonder whether one is merely "tapping into" sources of information that store the subjective experiences of humankind, such as the famous or infamous "Akashic Records" of occult fame, or some type of records stored in the "Universal Unconscious" posited by Jung. Such records might be indistinguishable from individual memories when experienced, so this is another possible source of uncertainty.


    In any case, if you are looking for certainties you may have come to the wrong place. Like most here I consider reincarnation to be the most probable explanation of a variety of phenomenon--something that did not come easily to me and does not come easily to many. Am I certain of any of this--No. However, it is my working hypothesis, and it seems to have many things that recommend it both logically and experimentally. Plus, I find that it has many things that recommend it to me on a personal and spiritual level. For you it may be different.


    Cordially,


    S&S
     
  3. Lovea

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    I don't doubt reincarnation just my memories.
     
  4. SeaAndSky

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    Why are you so certain? I'm really curious.
     
  5. Eowyn

    Eowyn Wrought out of steel

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    Hi, Lovea. I think the issue with your OP is just suppositions. I mean, the suppositions people generally do when talking about reincarnation, so you're totally right questioning this and those suppositions. As you say, "we are supposed to experience soul growth", but who can be so sure about this? No one is. People just have beliefs to explain their experiences, in general to go peacefully to bed every night, believing they have the answers to all questions. But the only truth is no one knows the purpose of reincarnation, no one knows how things work, why a soul chooses to be born in the same country or the same race life after life (some say we prefer what is familiar to us), IF they really choose, as I wouldn't be that sure either.


    I don't think we "should" be living in different countries to see life from different perspectives, the world is just the place we human beings create, we come here for whatever reasons (or even randomly) and we may find ourselves in nicer parts or worse parts. I think that it doesn't matter if we choose or not, what matters is how you decide to react to those misfortunes.


    Now, from my own experience, I can tell you that in the majority of lives I remember I was white (especially my most recent ones). But I also have a few African lives in which I was black (and also Arabian), and others where I was Asian (I've been mongol and Japanese). So, we can't draw conclusions when real, wide and accurate statistics haven't been done on adult people with past life memories.


    Anyway, I get bored easily and I like change. Maybe most people don't want to change. Maybe that's the only reason that answers your question. "Spiritual growth" sounds great but maybe the truth is that everyone would go for an easy life, if they can avoid all kind of disgraces we find in our planet.
     
  6. tanguerra

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    Hi Lovea


    Welcome to the forum.


    I have been a little busy lately, so missed this thread before.

    I don't think this is actually the case. Perhaps those stories are the ones that get reported more? The 'sensational' ones? Most of the stories I have read here are of various obscure incidents, not really that historically significant, although of course, some people do get caught up in big events, like WWII and so on. There are actually stories on the forum from all countries in the world, all cultures and different places.


    In general, people seem to stick around with the same 'soul group' from one life to the next, so since the majority of people on this board are from the USA, it's not a big surprise that there are quite a few most recent lives that were spent in the USA. But, that said, there is a wide variety of experiences described.

    As to your own experiences, you are the best judge of the authenticity of those. Most people tend to say, and I agree with them, that a past life memory is fairly unmistakable. It is usually quite vivid and emotional and more detailed than most people can achieve just by using their powers of imagination.


    However, beginners can often just have fairly blurry or vague impressions at first. It takes a bit of practice and a certain amount of 'surrender' to the process. The people who usually have the most trouble getting good past life memories with self-regression will often be very analytical and logical in their thinking. They will have trouble getting their mind to be quiet. The mind will often interject with unhelpful thoughts like 'this isn't working, how do I know I'm not just making this up, that can't be right...' etc. etc. I suspect this could be part of what you are experiencing.


    People often have better results if they make sure they are in a relaxed state before they begin. It is no good doing this if you are stressed or in a hurry. By taking some time, at least half an hour or so, to just sit quietly and let their mind become still and focussed before an attempt, it will usually go a lot more smoothly. I like to use the metaphor of a lake that must become still before you can see below the surface clearly.
     
  7. tanguerra

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    We don't really know the answers to these big questions such as 'why are we here' or 'what is the meaning of life'. We have some information on these things from people who have remembered the 'between life' state, and talk about doing a 'life review' of the previous life, and doing a certain amount of planning for the next one (although this can vary).


    The thing that most peoples' experiences seem to have in common is 'love'. Really, only love is real. It is the thing that makes people want to come back, so they can be with their soul group. It is the thing that most people remember more often from one life to the next. It is the glue that binds everything together.


    Sure, there are a lot of bad experiences in the world, and lots of trouble and difficulty everywhere. Everyone suffers on some level and being rich or privileged is no guarantee that you will have an easy life.


    As to the soul not being 'cultured' or 'bound to worldly concepts' what makes you say that? We live many, many lives on this planet and all of our experiences add to the richness (or otherwise) of our souls. Why would our souls not be impacted by that?
     
  8. Anna H.

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    From what I can recall, and what I've learned from history, "minority" and "race" seem to be a fairly new concept in much of the world. In ancient Rome, for example, when someone's ethnicity was referred to at all, it was identical to the person's specific nationality or place of origin. Cleopatra was called Egyptian, Hannibal was called Phoenician, and Jugurtha was called Numidian, with no apparent interest in the fact that all of them were African. Today people speculate on whether Cleopatra and Hannibal were black, white, or bi-racial. The Romans, who could have categorized them, either didn't have those categories or didn't see any point describing people in that way. Similarly, an ancient Egyptian artwork shows people of various ethnicities in a realistic fashion, without any apparent attempt to portray them in a particular light.


    I don't know if people were unaware of the concept of race or if they simply attached little importance to the concept. I suggest that they could perfectly well see physical differences between different "races", but felt that those differences were superficial and amounted to nothing more than curly vs. straight hair, or dark vs. light skin. They would probably be quite bewildered by the present-day interest in such matters.
     
  9. Capri

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    In this current life I belong to a culture in which reincarnation is an inherent part of our belief system - as children we are told stories of avatars of Gods who state that they will reappear in another avatar & then a devotee's wish will be fulfilled ( just an example from many such 'stories'). Reincarnation is also part of the daily 'language'. When someone recalls his/her past birth, it is met with wonder but with absolute faith in the concept. I stumbled on this forum just last month & have been reading the threads with great interest & also some bafflement - several persons have stated that "I belong to a religion/mindset etc where reincarnation memories or discussions are either dismissed, ignored, suppressed or forbidden". While I am aware that reincarnation was erased from the bible by an emperor (Constantine?), I did not realize the extent to which it is frowned upon in the west. In this context, when lovea asked why people on this forum seem to reincarnate only as white westerners, my responses are: It is a forum that is perhaps over represented by westerners who are relieved that there is a forum that validates their memories & offers coping strategies. In countries in which PL memories are not met with such resistance, perhaps people with PL receive such validation from family members, community etc. I don't know enough about western countries to know if any of them make the cut. My second response echoes that of earlier forum members. I do not believe that one needs to be born (over thousands of years) across several countries/cultures in order to 'grow'. Growth can occur in spite of the absence of this condition. plus who is to say that this condition does not exist? Most PLs are veiled because the baggage can become inordinately heavy. Perhaps only those PLs whose lessons have not yet been mastered, still linger as memories. Quite a bit of growth may have already occurred in earlier lives. It does no good in my opinion, to vilify the west for perpetuation of global inequalities. While it maybe historically accurate, many leaders of developed countries, have not displayed the acumen or will to redress this in the context of their specific countries. And one can be just as oppressed in a developed country as in a less developed one. Class distinctions & social status restrict opportunities in all countries, though the manner in which they play out can vary. Then why do people tend to remember more PLs in the same country, region (west or east), culture? Perhaps the lesson embedded in the PL memory is easier to remember when the 'noise' or exotic nature of the context of the PL is not a distraction.
     
  10. SeekerOfKnowledge

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    Hello Capri,

    a warm welcome to you.

    Some things you say... yes. What has been learned in a past life already, we might not be able to remember. Because we would not learn anything new from remembering. And you can be oppressed in any country (or any time), also yes. "Class" and social status... one of the things that never change. How they are restricting. Many people dream of being rich or having an "important" position. But that's not freedom. I am far from that yet, but in my opinion true freedom would rather be to be independent from the inside. The less you need to be happy, the lower the influence others have on you. The other end, when you have to fight for survival all the time, would be equally limiting. No time for thought. No time to even try to find your own, personal path to your own, personal truth.

    As for why it appears that most people would remember only lives in their "own" culture, I have pondered this myself already. Well, this is not always true. There are people who remember lives in a foreign culture. I am still waiting for someone who remembers a life in the Stone Age, though. Don't have any memories of the Stone Age myself. I just wonder... why does no one remember these times? I have faint memories of a tribal life. Can't even tell the continent or millennium. I was using a guided meditation, and when the voice asked about place and time, I got "The Philippines" and "1837". But that probably was wrong. Did not look Asian or only faintly modern at all. The brown-skinned, barely dressed people looked more like African or Meso-American if anything. The huts I saw... bamboo huts? Haven't seen anything that would exactly look like them. I was female, and I saw my six children. Never felt such happiness. Thankfully, the bad end was veiled. Men came. Saw my children die. Died myself. Couldn't see or feel it clearly. But definitely not 1837 AD. Anyway, seems to confirm that money or fame or career or other such hopelessly overrated issues of the western world do not make you happy, and that maybe you are even happier when you do not have to worry about social status and such.
     
  11. Spirit Sword

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    I am glad this thread was dusted off as there are a lot of good subjects raised by it.

    I agree with a good deal of what has been said before and I will continue with this: certain souls seem to be "experts" in a certain area of life. Brian Weiss touched on this in a book, though I cannot recall it exactly. There seems to be certain things a soul will specialize in. This could be in a gender, profession, location, or who knows what else. While it seems everyone tries a variety of things at least once, a lot of people will notice reoccurring patterns in their lives. I recall several people here who seem to only remember being either male or female, one and never the other. Perhaps this is is because this experience was more common to them? Up to this point, I have noticed that I only recall past lives in which I went to war at one point or another. Perhaps this is a career I am an "expert" in. If souls specialize in these things, why could they not choose to specialize in something like "Western culture"? I know this might sound like a silly defense, but it is a possibility. Each of us has only limited evidence, but if patterns are accepted in other areas, why is it scandalous to think that certain people would be more likely to be from similar places?

    Few people, if any, know the full extent of all of their past lives. That would be a terrible burden which might drive a person mad. The lives we do remember seem to be specific to what we need to deal with now or what we are currently familiar with. There are exceptions to this, but it seems to be a good rule of thumb. Coming back to my case of only remembering war: surely this is not the only thing I have done with my lives, but I have no evidence to prove otherwise. What I do have is evidence of why these lives specifically may be the ones resurfacing. While I have spent my entire life this time as a civilian in an area where war is nowhere nearby, I have spent most of my life surrounded by the subject in a more fictionalized format. From playing with fake swords and guns as a child to reading books and watching movies focusing on combat and adventure later in life, these are the sorts of things that stick with me. I started reading old literature and war chronicles before I finished losing my baby teeth. It is not surprising, then, that these are the kinds of past lives I uncovered. And these lives happened to tackle some of the lessons and concepts that I need to work on personally. They cover a lot of concepts which appear prominently in my current incarnation, such as leadership, loyalty, and unreasonable betrayal. These past lives offer up tools for my current spiritual growth in a way that speaks to me. Perhaps there are not a lot of people still out there that a tribal life would be the best tool to teach with?

    While familiarity with a time is not necessary for past life work, it really does help. Why else would we run off to the history section of the library at each new memory? As has been said before, knowing a time before coming into a memory could aid in focusing on the content and implications instead of being in awe of the setting. Sometimes, a person might need a bit of a spiritual memory jog before something will come back to them. Or perhaps a certain concepts may wait in memories that would be misinterpreted without at least a brief knowledge of the setting. This is the case with the first life I uncovered in medieval Japan. I knew nothing about Japan at the time aside from the fact that they were one of the "bad guys" in World War II and that they make good electronics. I knew absolutely nothing else on the subject. To be brief, a friend forced me into a small dose of Japanese culture which contained very vague spoofs of some history and historical figures. I decided to do research and the very first thing I found was a specific person who I had never heard of before that I was mysteriously able to recall life events about. Again, I never could have come across this material before, but after reading a small amount of information, more just poured out of me. It seems that lifetime was right on the surface, but I needed a small reminder to access it. Naturally, this led me to more historical research and looking into reincarnation. And it was a good thing that I researched both. If I had regressed to the memory of committing Seppuku before I was familiar with the concept, I would have been too alarmed and misinterpreted the memory. Just like learning to properly solve an equation in math would be futile without first understanding multiplication, properly understanding certain memories can require certain base knowledge like history or culture. Which could be another reason why a person is more likely to recall lives in places they are familiar with. They have met the minimum requirement needed to be ready for that life.
     
  12. CherryBunny

    CherryBunny Dolce Faccia

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    I have a personal theory on this, and it is rather simple. My explanation is devoid of any scientific or metaphysical explanations because I am not educated in any of that. My own theory is based on my own knowledge of myself and my past life and my suspicions about others I have known. I really should have posted this in the theories thread but I thought it fit here, as a possible answer to your question.

    Again, I believe it simple. I do not want anyone to think I am debunking their own theories, by the way. This is only my personal belief.

    I think you are reborn in a similar body. I think your soul matches with certain psysical features. That, I think, explains why so many western people identify themselves as as reincarnations of past western people. They share the same traits. I do think it is possible, however, to also have reincarnations of other races, though I still believe there would be similar traits somewhere. I want to believe that one day science will prove this, but if it ever does, it will be far into the future.

    There is more to my theory, but it doesn't really match with your question so I will not include it. I just wanted to share my own, though rather simple, opinion and perspective to you.
     

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