Do you think astrology can be used to discover things about past lives?

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  1. SeaAndSky

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    Hi Traveler,

    I'm definitely interested. I don't know if you're willing, but in hopes that you are, I would like to send you the same data for myself by PM and see if you can come up with anything.

    Please let me know.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  2. The Traveler

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    Got it, waiting your data. :)
     
  3. RedSunshine

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    I'm not an astrologer but I do believe in this one.
     
  4. Cyrus

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    IMHO.

    The constellations look to us as we're accustomed only because of a concrete position of Earth (of the Solar System, to be more precise) in the Galaxy.

    From another planet (even from within the Solar System, say, from Mars), the constellations would look different.
    Any known constellation does not exist as something whole, in reality, it's always a set of stars completely uncorrrelated and situated in the Space completely at random.
    So, to say smth. like the "Sun enters Orion/Virgo/Scorpio/..." is devoid of any sense: the Sun does NOT really enter nor exit anything, it LOOKS as if it were in Orion/Virgo/Scorrpio etc., but it has never even been near them, especially, taking into account that those constellaltions don't even exist as any sensible and stable geometrical formations.

    And due to the own movement of individual stars, even the forms of the constellations (as they look to us here on Earth) change in time.

    To say nothing of any influence any star of any constelllation could have over anything existent on our planet - it's absolutely insignificant due to enormous distances between us.

    So, astrology is not even considered a science, it's just a belief some credulous have. It cannot be used for anything serious.

    OK, it's not forbidden to believe in anything one likes.

    I, personally, firmly believe that the Moon is made of cheese, and no one will ever be able to convince me it's not true.

    Best regards.
     
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  5. The Traveler

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    and from material point of view you're pretty right, cause i had passion of astronomy on past and i know all these things.
    but know i want to explain a lot of things, and also clearify a lot of stuff for folks that not know exactly astrology \ astronomy.
    well, first off, there is the sideral astrology and the tropical occidental astrology.

    Sideral: is used most from vedic, indian and oriental cultures. it match with equinox precession phenomenon and with the real appareant position of sun, moon planets into the backdrop of the galaxy.
    contro: it not consider planets as uranus, neptune, pluto, and, for that, is very incomplete.

    tropical, occidental astrology: pro: it consider uranus, neptune, pluto influences.
    contro: it not fix with equinox precession phenomenon.
    but now i want to explain better that things, cause your argumentation are valid by a material point of view. but astrology is very much complicated. i know the skepticicsm but try to follow me:

    imagine the sky as a sphere or a circle. and for perspective groupings given by the fact that, with respect to the earth, they are placed in a determined position rather than in another, here the stars group and take shape in the constellations. there are 88 known constellations. the ecliptic is the apparent path that the sun makes in the sky. it passes through the so-called constellations of the zodiac, from the ram to the past. in reality, the sun also passes over the region of sky marked at the ophiuchus between the end of November and the beginning of December, and also over the whale if I am not mistaken, so technically there should be "signs" ... 14 and no in 12. however the constellations to the north of the ecliptic are the boreal ones and those to the south are the austral ones. astrology is based on the following concepts: - there are other realities and planes of existence, in which other entities, spirits, creatures, if you prefer, dwell. - the planets are only the physical and material mirror of these realities. physically Mars is just an expanse of rocks and frozen rust. Venus a volcanic hell, the moon a desolate expanse of gray gravel dotted with craters, Jupiter a balloon of gas and storms and eddies. but this is physically. in the other planes of existence these worlds are "alive" in their own way, just like ours on this plane. - the sum of their "vitality" or "energetic aura" creates a sort of spiritual imprint of these planets, as if they had a kind of collective mind. these astral influences, of a spiritual type, do NOT propagate through light and electromagnetism. perhaps through gravity, because it is a force capable of influencing bodies in various dimensions and at the same time it is also a force capable of propagating instantaneously regardless of distance. whether it is by gravity, by quantum entaglent or call it whatever you like, the concept is that the influences of the stars are reflected on the earth. what happens in heaven is reflected on the physical world, in the same way, what happens on earth is mirrored in the spiritual world. This is astrology. - the zodiac signs in reality, at least for the tropical and western conception of the thing have NOTHING to do with the constellations of the sky. just as there is no lilith as a physical body and no lunar nodes physically exist. it's about energies. the "signs" are simply twelve regions of heaven, each 30 degrees in extension, in which the celestial vault is divided like a slice of orange. when the stars move in these regions of space they are infused with their spiritual imprint and their influence is manifested according to this archetype. therefore, the sun in the ram will express the destructive force of fire, in the scorpion the chill of ice and darkness, in the virgin it will be focused on an intellectual and rational level, and so on. the sun is the life energy, the source of life itself on earth. without the sun we would not exist. the stars count very little honestly because it is the sun that interests us, and it is on the sun that we depend. the moon also, is the mirror of the sun, reflects its light with its reflected energy. it is the unconscious, the mirror. it rules the tides and stabilizes the motion of the earth. the other planets have a more subtle influence but their influence affects the various sides of character and personality. when a person is conceived, the soul is incarnated in the flesh, in this case, the planets regulate its development in the womb. there is also prenatal astrology in fact, but this has more to do with the soul than with physical life. nine months, one is born and comes to light. the configuration of the sky, the arrangement of the planets at the moment of birth along the areas of the sky and along the houses of the sky substantially establishes, in principle, how that person's life will be, both from the point of view of talents, qualities, attitudes and the merits that one brings from previous lives, both regarding difficulties, suffering, obstacles to overcome in order to improve and not to commit the mistakes of the past. astrology can NOT predict things like epidemics, catastrophes, the end of life, winning the lotto, whether or not you will be successful in picking up the person you like, etc. it cannot predict the death of someone, at most it can give a vague indication of what kind of death a person is predisposed to by the law of karma. in the sense that action corresponds to reaction. this rule is valid for Newtonian physics as well as for metaphysics. now, let's see, how can I prove that planets are not only balls of rock, gas and ice but also have their own "personality?" how can I explain that they have subtle energies and that everything in the universe is interconnected by these delicate bonds?
     

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    ah yes, a way there is. you know that every planet have a magnetic field, right? well, EM energy can be converted and processed for produce audible sounds. here is the magnetic field of some planets converted into sounds:

    Moon:
    Mars:
    Jupiter:
    Saturn: (that's creepy careful):
    Uranus:
    Neptune:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cga3DfaLc7A
    Pluto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPe5hs3yYqs
    Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhAXIjJ56xE&t=319s

    now imagine all these stars exchanging these energies and singing a kind of cosmic music. we are literally immersed in these energies.
    so what does true astrology do: study the influence of these energies on earthly life. it is not so different from studying low and high pressure currents to get weather forecasts. or at least, the real astrology is this, not that of magazines and cheap horoscopes that say "ah the moon is in virgin, a busy week awaits you" that is nonsense, it's true. It is obvious that the moon cannot have the same effect on 7 billion people.
    for various reasons.
    - each is the sum of both genetic imprinting, cosmic energies and his soul, + life experiences. astrology cannot see genetics and the soul can see the cosmic energies that have influenced a person's birth. clearly, for each there is a different energy imprint. if this field were converted into music every person of this land would have a different symphony of his life. there are no people with the same "melody".
    - everyone has free will ,. Heaven can prepare what it likes, but it is our decisions that decide whether a squaring results in a fatal misfortune or only in a challenge that gives us the opportunity to grow.
    for example: Mars squared to the sun on the 4th house. troubles and quarrels in the family? well, but a person can choose whether to solve them diplomatically, maturing, growing and developing empathy, whether to run away from home, or whether to go crazy and end up in the black news pages for having committed a massacre in the home. that's what I mean. the astroology njon allows us to predict none of the three possible outcomes. he just says "look there will be these problems" as if a person manages them only and solely on his willpower. I can only say that in a certain sense the surrounding reality is governed by our choices and decisions. call it karma, call it the law of attraction or whatever you like. the point is that like attracts like-. therefore good calls good and evil calls evil.

    now, I didn't believe these things either.
    but then in 2016-2017 I went to hospital for two years for a septicemia in the first and a surgical operation in the second due to a domestic accident that risked killing me, because mki had broken an arterial capillary in the knee. I was literally bleeding to death.
    unfortunately the never genetic disease has made me very weak to these things. bones, muscles and blood vessels are very fragile.

    however I survived and I had another chance. then I wanted to study this discipline both to understand why my life was so infernal, since I certainly did not choose the misfortunes of my existence or my illness, and to be able to anticipate fate or at least minimize the dangers .

    and what do i find in my horoscope?
    that in 2016 Mars was square to the sun and mercury, a sign of fever and infections. Mars was connected to Neptune. conjunction mars + neptune can really cause serious problems with the immune system or sepsis.
    then 2017: Mars was squared to Jupiter and Uranus that I fall in Sagittarius on the VI, house of health. jupiter governs the metabolism, uranus the nerves, but also the incidenrti, mars vs uranus means surgery. sagittarius means legs.
    missing two weeks after that transit here I end up under the knife. >
    so I did a retrospective analysis of my whole life by observing every step, every configuration of my 37 years. there is ALWAYS an astral correspondence between what heaven says and what reality and material life for me was. I njoin know how **** it is possible, but I can say that these energies have some quantum effect that can affect the likelihood with which things happen, for better or for worse. in short, they are indices of probability.
    and the study I did is mainly of a psychological and statistical type. for me it is just a tool to better understand a person and to help people grow or become aware of themselves.

    clearly, this is my knowledge of this and my personal experience. then everyone is free to believe it or not. :)
    ah, about the Sabian symbols, since I often use them for my analyzes: a mystical symbol is associated with each of the 360 ° of the sky, houses and signs. the Sabians were very ancient Sumerian astrologers and seers who had a cult towards the stars, I think they knew quite well the influences of the energies I am describing.
    then over the centuries there have been other interpreters of these symbols and other seers. I have grouped, rearranged, classified and translated last summer all the sabianji symbols in a nice 1000 page file.
    basically a planet, astrologically it is: planet + sign + house + symbol.
    the combimations are 12 + chiron + lilith x 12 x 12 x 360... well. you can understand why can't exist two folks with the same destiny into the same historical time.
    about moon node: the moon nodes are the two point when the moon orbit cross the sun movement on sky. so they are the force line of moon, the lagrange point, on karmic astrology that means the provenience and direction of the soul.
    about lilith, lilith is the shadow of moon, so is where the shadow of moon fall when someone born.

    that's is what i am talking about. i hope i explain the things in a good way.
    however, about the perpsective things of sky and stars: look cyrus, there is the geocentric astrology, but there is also heliocentric. in heliocentric you use the sun as the center point of horoscope, so is like watch planets from the sun instead that from the earth. by sun position the graphic si very different, also sabian symbols chances, for example: i am virgo with geocentric and i am pisces on eliocenrtic. my venus is on leon on geocentric and is on aries on eliocentric. but for the analyzed that i took
    with sabian simbology and astrology... well also if into a differnet way, positions and symbols tell me the same, identical things about my life.
    so is like watch a box from two different angles. change the perspective. but a box, is ever a box.
     
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    just for explain the archetipal:
    Aries: Fire, conflict.
    Taurus: Nature, Earth, as living thing. woods
    Gemini: wind, talk. air.
    Cancer: water and life.
    Lion: energy, light.
    Virgo: mind, intelligence, work. art.
    Libra: armony and balance.
    Scorpio: death, darkness, ice.
    Sagittarius: sound, dimension, exploration, travel, teaching
    Capricorn: earth, physical, rock expression of earth.
    acquarius: metal, states, tecnology, states, change, metamorphosis.
    pisces: spirit, soul, collective mind.
     
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    Thanks to the tons of knowledge you're sharing Traveler.
     
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    Ty. But however... ****, when i have a lot of time a fix a lot the grammar of the thread. what the hell heave google translate? the new version work much more worse. >.<
     
  10. CMiguel

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    Mary Devlin has a couple of excellent books on the subject that I read after reading an article she had in Dell Horoscope on our past life connections with our pets.
    She looks for angular planets for connections between charts of two people for past life connections and a lot of theory based on hypnotic regression of people and obtaining their birth information from past lives then casting charts and looking for repetitive themes of polarities in certain signs.
     
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    Interesting! i have a lot of angular planets.
    - venus and mars on lion on IC . + Make make
    - vesta asteroid on ascendent.
    - neptune on descendent
    - lilith on MC, ceres close to MC.
    my south node is on sagittarius, DC, and my north node on gemini, ASC.

    i have also moon into VIII house and saturn conjunction with pluto. well, i guess i am a very unusual person.
    planet retrograde: mercury on IV house conjunction with sun on virgo.
    chiron on gemini on XII house.
     
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    google translate is not reliable.
     
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    Yes, I had a reading in this regard from Nadi astrology, which stated my past life events, and stated accurately my present life conditions.

    Years later, in an another place and time, I met an astrologer during a temple festival, who was a total stranger to me, and who reproduced exactly whatever the Nadi astrologer said, when I consulted him.

    That I got the same reading from two different people in space and time, who were total strangers to me, made me understand that the past life reading could be correct. It also helped me appreciate the power of intuition, which was able to study the whole picture at an instant without any prior research.
     
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    Given this present time, Astrology isn't considered a science by most individuals and yet what you've experienced is quite shocking to me.
     

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