Gender Identity Theory / Reincarnation

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  1. landsend

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    GENDER IDENTITY THEORY / REINCARNATION


    Hey folks,

    Here's a post I've had stewing for some time. Feel like getting it out there.

    First, I'll discuss some of the science and my findings behind transgender issues.

    Science is now exploring that our minds are 'gendered' through the examination of brains/brain scans of transgendered individuals. (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/) This is still a relatively new finding, but basically what they are seeing is that transmen brains resemble more biological male brains, and transwomen's brains have more atypical brain that is neither fully masculine nor feminised.

    In a small community in the Dominican Republic, there are children who are born as girls, who grow a penis and testicles at puberty. They are known as the 'Guevedoces' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34290981). Because they are born looking like girls, they are socialised and bought up as girls, because physically they were thought to be girls prior to the formation of their penis and testicles at twelve years old. Despite this, a high proportion of the individuals felt themselves male, they preferred playing football, doing male activities, resented female clothes, and roles etc. Once their penises/scrotum developed, the majority assumed their male identity.

    Simon Baron-Cohen, the director for Autism Research at Cambridge University, has been exploring the differences between 'Male' and 'Female' brains. (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2003/apr/17/research.highereducation) His findings suggest that hormonal/biological influences in the womb play an in important part in how our brains work. His findings have found that, on average, women score higher in the emotional range, and lower in systematic thinking and men, on average, have been found to follow an opposite trend. It's interesting to note that folks with Autistic/Aspergers have been found to have what is known as an extreme male brain -- very low on empathy, and higher than average systematic thinking. You can take these tests through various websites which will show you where you may fall on the empathy/systematising scale. I have a low empathy, high systematising brain, and have for years wondered if I have high functioning Aspergers. This is something that I have no diagnosis for.

    They have found that a high proportion of FTM (female-to-male) transgender people have Autism. This again favours the reason that our brains are influenced on a pre-natal biological level in how we think and feel internally, and how that affects how we identify on a gender scale.


    How does reincarnation influence our gender?

    Reflecting on how reincarnation comes into play with this. Of course, this is just a theory, but here's a few ideas I have. Already we see similarities of physical appearance/manners across lifetimes, as the soul who is inhabiting the body seems to have an influence on the physical manifestation of both the developing foetus/and or chooses parents/genetic circumstances that will match up with the soul's characteristics. This could even extend to gender. By looking at Dr. Ian Stevenson's cases of cross-gender incarnations, he frequently mentions gender dysphoria as a problem, at least in the early years of the case(s). He also mentions that it is not frequent for souls to switch genders.That seems to suggest that incarnating souls have a gender preference.

    Now that gender dysphoria and transgender issues are in the wider media, I wonder if more and more transgender folks will no longer feel the need to conform to societies expectations of what role they should pursue.
     
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  2. Li. La.

    Li. La. Senior Member

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    Very interesting indeed, thanks for posting :) Give one something to think about
     
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    Based on my experience, I disagree with this observation.
     
  4. fireflydancing

    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Gender is an interesting subject to discuss. When I am alone, with no people around, I don't feel like I have a gender. Just consciousness. In relation to the world, I am female.

    I have a long series of female lives, except for the last one, in which I was male. I think it was necessary to live a life as a man to balance the energies.
    Despite all those female lives, I had to find and accept my inner female nature again in this life.
    Just recently I started to understand why.
    It's still a bit sensitive subject for me.
     
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    Interesting read landsend - you mentioned the kids from domrep before. I'm sometimes doing a workshop on gender mainstreaming with adults and am discussing these things like gender scales.. i have never considered a connection between autism/asperger and male brain structure - might make sense. Thanks for the input.
    I believe I've made a decision to be f this time around in order to avoid certain situations that got me in trouble before and also to experience others.

    Baro-san, could you please elaborate your point of view? I'd be really interested. As much as I know I did influence or choose my looks at least a bit and almost identical manners are obvious to me as well. At least compared to the few not so long ago lifetimes I recall. There might be more I dont remember.
     
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    Please share your experiences.

    The mannerisms/facial expressions across lives is based on my own observations of numerous photographs I have of my past self. I have quite a few compared to other folks, so I can see directly.

    I compared the photos I had of Terry to photos I had of my present life prior to knowing of Terry's identity so I could not be sub-consciously influenced. Sure enough I could find my facial expressions mimicked across time, as well as my general posture (I tend to stoop my shoulders slightly). I have a curious way of smiling which I've only ever seen in one other person -- Terry. I also have the unfortunate habit of having my eyes half closed in a lot of photos, something I noted in Terry. Terry & me also have the habit of looking very different from photo to photo depending on our mood-- probably because we have expressive faces. This was something noted by several people whilst observing Terry (because of the need to identify him as prisoner-of-war).
     
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  7. landsend

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    Glia -- I agree on a few points here -- it's of my own realisation that I was born biologically female to avoid certain situations, too. I also needed to appreciate what my masculinity really is, and that it's not directly tied to that thing dangling between the legs (far from it). Other reasons include having the courage to stand up and go against the status quo in order to be myself, and having the courage to speak out and not be ashamed. Trans people are very much hated and misunderstood pretty much everywhere you go.
     
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    I thought it was also important to make a point that gender does seem to be on a biological level. It is not a choice, although living as your preferred gender can be a choice, just as living with your preferred sexuality can be a choice -- although if you go against the current of what you are you will end up being unhappy, especially if repression is involved. It has been my experience that you can't really run away from what you innately are, this is why you see folks transitioning very late in life.
     
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    Hi Landsend,

    I have done much of the same type of reading. Your conclusions have been my own. The unspoken prerequisite for such conclusions seems to be that the "soul" or incarnating personality is gendered to some degree or another. Another bit of fall-out is the issue of how to deal with the matter based on the "choice" issue. This arises as it seems to be a general consensus that such things as birth sex were "accepted" or even chosen by us before we came here--usually for particular reasons. Consequently, we are brought around full circle to the question of whether we should be trying to change this or live with our prenatal choices. Some certainly are not capable of "living" with their (apparent) prenatal choice or agreement in this matter. In such cases, making as much of a physical/lifestyle change as necessary to make it through this lifetime certainly seems better than suicide or lifelong incapacitation via dysphoria/depression. However, as noted, if there was a choice there was seemingly a reason for that choice, and the possibility that this reason was a good reason should definitely not be ignored in thinking about this issue.

    On reasons, one often hears the idea that "balance" is necessary or good. Likewise, there may be a need for a particular lesson to be learned (from a "karmic" point of view or otherwise). Will such "lessons", whatever they may be, be lost in making a switch to a preferred sex or other changes being discussed?

    This is not something that those without insight into reincarnation would, perhaps, debate. However, I am not sure that it is one that we can avoid.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Some good points here... I’ll put forth my perspective.

    First of all, despite biologically being born female, I am innately male. I’ve spent much of my life trying to align to my biological preset, and struggled my whole life to figure out what was wrong with me. The moment I realised I am not just like a male, but I am actually male it was a hit by a freight train realisation. A lot of my depressive feelings and the very dirty feeling that there was something I was lying to everyone over the years made complete sense. It’s taken me many months to be able to have clarity on this realisation.

    My perspective and experience is that I chose a female body and a male brain. Whether or not that was influenced by my many lives as males is yet to be seen, but wouldn’t surprise me.

    Although I was bought up as a girl, I had a childhood that was generally non-gendered and allowed me to be a boy. I only ever felt shame when my sister pointed out to me that I was too boyish or I wasn’t conforming to female behaviour (my preference for boy toys over girls, my general outlook and competitive nature.)

    Only when social expectations as a teenager and hormones started taking over did the depression hit me.

    The point being I am not a woman despite having the biological preset of a woman.My gender identity is male.

    There is no learning to be female in my case, apart from seeing how crap in general women are treated by men. I tried very hard to be female and to be happy in that role. In the end repressing myself made me a very angry person who despised life and felt detached from all experiences, their body and in denial of living life at all.

    The sad thing is the suicide rate is very high for trans people.
     
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    I’ve thought it would be great if I could learn to be a woman and get on with it... it would be ‘easier’ for me. I’ve had that stance for the first twenty seven years of my life.

    As it is I risk losing my marriage and larger family members over this. I will have to relocate and fight my corner.

    If I could’ve been honest to myself as a teen I might not be in this situation now.

    Once you start going down the road of ‘let’s just learn to live with what we are given - you are what your genitalia says you are.’ Then it starts to be along the same line as ‘dudes shouldn’t be with dudes or women with women.’ We should change them! That is dangerous territory.

    You can’t help what sex you are born as, who you find attractive or what your internal gender is. You can run from it, deny it, but it is what it is.

    Let’s show some solidarity for all trans folk out there. It’s a hard life as it is without the guilt.
     
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  12. GalaxyDreamer90

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    Thanks for the post. Growing up I was a tomboy even more so then I am now as an adult. As a young girl I remember hating skirts and dresses just because it meant being more lady like. However, I never felt the need to change my gender though I can sort of understand those who do. While I'm happy being female if I had been born a boy I still would of been happy with my gender. I sometimes feel like I'm a little bit of both Male and female. A few years ago I found out the term for this is androgony. I'm still unsure what this means for my sexual orientation. Until recently I was asexual, but recently I discovered I do have some sexual interest. Now I'm questioning if I'm straight or bi. I at least know I'm not lesbian because I do have interest in young men especially emo guys.
     
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    I've thought about this at length... I think it's really a multilayered issue. There's what's in your soul, your soul age, how that forms the body you're in, the choice of your body, the cultural definition of gender as a construct and how that changes over time, the biological and evolutionary expressions of gender and gender roles and personality and how that exists independently from gender .. Then there's also past life trauma..

    It's a lot and I think it all influences one another to varying degrees and it's really hard to "map" out gender and where you fit with it all and it's easy for me to see dysphoria that is from both reincarnation and cultural sources.

    And I agree too! You just know who you are and you can't fake it if you tried. I'm a girl through and through, but I'd be a tomboy I guess. I can see my mannerisms in my photos and other things and from everything I've read about my past lives, male or female, they share the same personality and that's proof to me remains constant and doesn't change from life to life or gender.

    I was thinking about this recently as my mom has really made some strides with issues in her life and we're getting a long great now and I feel like she's circled back to when I younger in that I felt like she always thought I was her daughter. I know I was in her past life and they were very close as well, but it's funny hearing my mom talk on and on about hallmark and lifetime movies and hand lotion. You wouldn't think that's normal for a mother and son to talk about. ha ha. I remember many years ago as a teenager, I had a star trek costume that had a zipper up the back I was having trouble with and my mom got frustrated with me and said "it's just like a dress!", like I should have known that, in this life anyway! I really do wonder if she just sees the mother daughter relationship we've always had and not my physical gender.

    I think, you just have to accept who you for who you are and find a way to be happy. That's all anyone can do.. :) I say that but I am frustrated I don't look girly or can't express myself that way. I know though, I chose being male this life for a reason and I guess that's part of it.
     
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    Thanks for posting and the honesty, Galaxy. As it is, gender and sexuality are seperate things. For some folk they never have to question, every thing is as the status quo says it is. For others they can follow a lifetime of questioning.
     
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    Totoro, when I read your posts I never read them with a male voice. There is a feminine essence around you, can feel that. Hope you don’t find that offensive...

    For me I was having daily thoughts of my life ending or having an accident so I don’t have to live out this life. That’s when I said enough is enough, I’m here, this body is good enough.. stop waiting to be yourself and be yourself — now. It’s part of accepting where I am in the present. I guess I had to be pretty desperate to feel that way.
     
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    Interesting theory landsend, I’ll have to take that empathizing/ systematizing test to see where I fall on the scale.
     
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    Interesting but also sad topic, I prefer to see the issue from a spiritual perspective rather than material or physical but much of what people are struggling with is the result of dysfunctional culture coupled with karma. I would like it all to get to where it is a non issue and there be balance but with people being people and what they are and have been it is going to take an act of God to sort things out to where at least there is some sort of balance. Without balance the issues will only continue and people will only continue to complicate things.
     
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    Can you clarify what you mean by ‘dysfunctional culture’?
     
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    It would be good when folks can be who they are without having to make a stand, I agree. If that’s what you mean by it one day being a non issue then I agree, it would be good if this wasn’t an issue in society, but unfortunately it is. Until that day, people will have to continue to stand up for their rights to be themselves.

    My partner reminded me today that in the 1920’s homosexuality was seen as a disease. It was a criminal activity until not long ago. Many would have said it was dysfunctional behaviour.

    The intention of this post was to highlight my experiences and correlations between reincarnation and gender. I’ve highlighted the fact I have chosen this experience of being transgender. That is part of my journey. I’m puttting my personal experiences out there in the hope that someone might find something useful in my words.

    Best
    Landsend
     
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    Hi Landsend,

    This issue has come up repeatedly during my tenure on the board, but the balance has shifted. In the past, when I argued that whatever we ultimately were was gendered, this was very often (1) discounted as the poster equated gender with physical sex (which was merely an artifact of physical existence), or (2) discounted because it seemed to be generally believed that the "soul" was beyond such categories. So, there was substantial push-back in regard to the central concept of gender being something that transcended the physical. I typically countered that the mere fact that people tended to incarnate consistently as one sex, with occasional forays into the other (about 1 or 2 out of 10 lifetimes according to Stevenson) indicated a preference which was, in itself, an indicator of "gender", and added that gender had more to do with a way of relating/dealing to/with people/things, and probably should be seen as a logical extension of the basic Yin/Yang dualities of creation.

    However, there are some who have gone through multiple cross-gender lifetimes with no memory of conflict/dysphoria. And, these folks often seemed to be folks with excellent PL memory and, at least arguably, more "experienced/advanced" souls. So, the idea is also out there that dysphoria has more to do with the difficulty in adjusting to cross-gender lives of a less "experienced/advanced" soul than a real and insuperable barrier.

    In addition, though I think there is good reason to believe that the differences in brain structure (like the scar or birthmarks studied by Stevenson) are the byproduct of a "soul" gender that conflicts with body gender, that is still merely a theory. It could be that the physical changes in some or all cases are rooted in environmental chemicals or something else entirely.

    Anyhow, I am glad to see the issue discussed, but leery of any type of "one size fits all" type of conclusion at this point. For most it may be necessary or best to make the outside conform to the inside. The opposite is generally impossible anyway (from what I can tell), but there will still be those who choose to tough it out in their birth gender. I'm also not going to say that they are wrong.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--One of my favored theories for many cross-gendered lives is neither "balance" nor some type of "karmic" pay-back. I theorize that it is often the result of--and the cure for--"grass-is-greener" syndrome. In this regard, I've noticed that this type of lifetime often comes on the heels of a lousy lifetime as the opposite gender. For a masculine gendered soul it may seem like a good idea to be female after dying miserably a few times in warfare. Likewise, for a feminine soul, there are also perils and pains unique to the sex that can make it seem like a good idea to go the other way. Consequently, I think that part of what is learned by a cross-gendered lifetime is that we cannot be happy being anything but what we innately are in this regard. If so, for most of the dysphoric transgendered, it is something they have already learned and there is no reason to stretch the "lesson" out any longer.
     

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