General George S. Patton

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  1. John Tat

    John Tat Senior Registered

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    Hi S&S ... I'm beginning to understand why not only you but others have difficulty in understanding many things .. .. everything is relative to the time you lived an incarnation in... so its impossible for you and others in this day and age and the times we now live in to understand how it was back then.. Patton would have prayed to many gods over many incarnations.. over thousands of years but its very likely he always understood who the true gods were...the gods he served...Most people could not possibly understand sniffing the air before a battle
    Before each battle I sniff the air
    I always smell that wretched stink of human weakness
    Yet I lead my warriors without a care
    After a battle being covered from head to toe with your enemies blood
    Dying warrior deaths
    Lying... dying in stinking mud... stinking of human feces opened up by a lance and in the heat of battle nobody giving me a second glance
    As I said its all about the times you were living in.. which is impossible to understand today
    When the warriors of the gods return will some and/or many of them be of the times they last incarnated into?.. that is the biggest concern
    Will they be modern... evolved warriors... or violent warriors from times of long ago.. only the gods know.. I have talked before about how they will return

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  2. SeaAndSky

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    Hi Cryscat,

    All you have said is within the realm of possibility, though I'm somewhat less inclined to see a link where there is an overlap of the type you mention. I suppose one thing I would expect from a return of Patton would be someone who was open about their belief, and memory of, past lives. Likewise, poetry ranging from crude to inspiring even if not having the polish of the professional poet ;). These may have been transient phenomena linked to one particular life, but somehow . . . .

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  3. SeaAndSky

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    Hi John,

    I don't know about the "true gods" part of what you say. Actually, I very much doubt it, but you are entitled to come to your own conclusions on that point. In terms of the rest, I don't think that the era of battle changes some of the basics, though the foes can now kill each other from greater distances. However, it doesn't really matter. Whether your guts are spilled by a lance or by an AK-47, you're going to get the same stench, and are still liable to die lying in the mud. Likewise, though civilized countries try to limit the extent to which blood-lust and unmitigated battle frenzy lead to deeds of cruelty and excess, you can see that new barbarians (like Daesh) are always ready to bring it back to the battle-field. Plus, modern weapons of mass destruction make it even more likely that the huddled non-combatants, including women and children, die as well as the warriors. So, from that standpoint, there is no change. Now as in the past, "War is Hell", as stated by a hell-bringer I do not particularly admire: Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman.

    However, I also am very leery of those who try to demonize, denigrate, or deny the completely vital role of the valorous, chivalrous warrior for the right. As I noted in my comments about "sheepdogs" and "wolves" we would be in very sad position without such individuals. This leads to another Patton poem--"Valor"--which I think resonates with much of what we have been discussing:

    When all hearts are opened,
    And all the secrets known,
    When guile and lies are banished,
    And subterfuge is gone.

    When God rolls up the curtain,
    And hidden truths appear,
    When the ghastly light of Judgement Day,
    Brings past and present near...

    Then shall we know what once we knew,
    Before wealth dimmed our sight,
    That of all sins, the blackest is
    The pride which will not fight.

    The meek and pious have a place,
    And necessary are,
    But valor pales their puny rays,
    As does the sun a star.

    What race of men since time began,
    Has ever yet remained,
    Who trusted not it's own right hand,
    Or from brave deeds refrained?

    Yet spite the fact for ages known,
    And by all lands displayed,
    We still have those who prate of peace,
    and say that war is dead.

    Yes vandals rise who seek to snatch
    The laurels from the brave,
    And dare defame heroic dead,
    Now filling hero graves.

    They speak of those who love,
    Like Christ's, exceeds the lust of life
    And murderers slain to no avail,
    A useless sacrifice.

    With infamy without a name,
    They mock our fighting youth,
    And dare decry great hearts who die,
    Battling for right and truth.

    Woe to the land which, heeding them,
    Lets avarice gain the day,
    And trusting gold it's right to hold,
    Lets manly might decay.

    Let us, while willing yet for peace,
    Still keep our valor high,
    So when our time of battle comes,
    We shall not fear to die.

    Make love of life and ease be less,
    Make love of country more.
    So shall our patriotism be
    More than an empty roar.

    For death is nothing, comfort less,
    Valor is all in all;
    Base nations who depart from it,
    Shall sure and justly fall.

    I think that ending is very, very true, and probably always will be.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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  4. Jim78

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    I used to think like that. I've done nothing but denigrate myself for my roles in life. My experience tells me that the warriors code is childish in a divine light. I still can't solve one mystery however. Why was I incarnated into war again and again? Patton was the person ( that I'm unconnected to as far as I remember ) that I researched the most after I found out about reincarnation. I understand what it is to be destined to be a warrior also but unlike Patton my conscience has been awakened. I can't be a warrior anymore but I don't know how to be anything else.
     
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    Hi Jim,

    If you're having attacks of conscience, join the crowd. I'm not sure how many of us find ourselves periodically or even constantly wracked with guilt, but I have my own struggles in this area, as much concerned with my mistakes in this lifetime as any other. I think a lot of what you are saying may indicate that it is time for you to move on to a different type of role in life. Only you can make that determination. However, on the other side of the coin, nothing I have said about wolves and sheepdogs should be taken as negating our own very human ability of self-deception. Wolves may become sheepdogs over the course of lifetimes, but that doesn't mean that everyone who thinks of himself as a sheepdog is telling himself the truth. Many may actually be wolves in sheepdog clothing, or at least retain far too much of the "wolf" in their character. Famous conquerors who believed themselves to be the cutting edge of civilization, bringing culture, virtue, peace and true religion to the benighted savages are legion. Self-deception is always with us, as is valorous/virtuous preening. In fact, of late, "virtue signalling" of various types has become a popular past-time of the media and those in the public eye.

    Overall, I can take back nothing I have said. As long as there are wolves, there will be need of sheepdogs to stand between them and the people they would make prey. However, I hope for improvement in wolves over time, and those standing as sheepdogs ain't necessarily perfect, even when they think they are. After all, they would probably be ineffective sheepdogs if they didn't still have a bit of the wolf in them.

    Nonetheless, it is unnecessarily shallow to treat wolves as existing only in the realms of violence. Wolves can be anywhere, and can seek to work evil in many ways that do not involve direct physical violence, theft, etc. There have to be sheepdogs to guard in these areas as well. The struggle against oppression needs writers and thinkers as much as it needs soldiers and police. The pen is mightier than the sword, and the person who fights for the right can do so on many fronts that do not involve physical violence. Perhaps you are no longer meant to be a warrior, but you may find it harder to stop being a fighter. The question then becomes what you will fight for, and what will be your tools.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  6. Cryscat

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    Franks has never spoken publicly about any beliefs in reincarnation, so we have no idea if he thinks that way or not. As for the poetry, could be Patton thing and not something that passed on though. I was just looking the military angle which gave me an odd feeling. I am not saying yes or no, but just wondering.
     
  7. Jim78

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    Hi S&S. I didn't have a conscience up until two years ago. Until then I felt justified in my actions. I don't want to be a wolf. I always thought I was a shepard to be honest. Someone who took the correct course of action. I don't know if I was preening. I enjoyed the attention though. I really believed I was doing good.

    Wolves...yeah. When I was faced with the powerful I outflanked them in my current life. I started laughing at them. I said "So little fat fellas in suits? Youse are supposed to be the alpha males of today's world?! Am I the only one who gets the joke here?" Then I ruined him. I thought I was the shepard but I'm afraid that I was the wolf.

    I'm not supposed to fight in any capacity anymore. I even extend that to all the challenges life throws at me now. I let them happen. I don't oppose them. I still get frustrated with myself for formulating strategies and anticipating warfare though. I feel I'm just a negative person.
     
  8. KenJ

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    Jim, it takes awhile to move in the direction you seem to be headed. I just read the first few pages of a new book I received today where it spoke of the differences between Intellect (and intellectuals), Intelligence, and wisdom. Intellect is the ability to grasp a concept where intelligence adds judgement, "An Intellectual's work begins and ends with ideas". Only after adding judgement, knowledge and experience can you reach wisdom where there is a balance. "Wisdom requires self-discipline and an understanding of the realities of the world, including the limitations of one's own experience and of reason itself. The opposite of Intellect is dullness or slowness, but the opposite of wisdom is foolishness, which is more dangerous." Given this continuum, you can perhaps see what I mean by my comment in the first sentence. At some point I can see you attaining the judgement that the judge displayed in one of your previous posts and forgiving yourself.

    I've been a cocky youth, a young man with a chip-on-his-shoulder, a know-it-all type A jerk, and probably still retain too many of those qualities at this time in this lifetime. I'm learning as I listen to the Intellectuals try to influence the direction of my Country. I think of the civilians in North Korea who believe that their leader is God and the intellectuals in my country who declare that our president is the Devil and wonder how much reality I am truly aware of myself. The current sexual abuse portion of "abuse of power" is being exploited in an attempt by these intellectuals without seeing how vulnerable they are to their own professed positions, a shallowness similar to the first part of the continuum I spoke of earlier. To think that a person can get stuck somewhere along that continuum and trying to "perfect" that particular position, thinking that it is the intended destination, perhaps for their lifetime.

    I become frightened when I see young intellectuals advocate the greatness of socialism without a clue of the inevitable outcome that is easily seen in cities, states, and countries in nearly every period in history. I fear that our fragile Republic can be lost to them through our structure that has our votes having equal weight and realize that they see me as a racist bigot because of the color of my skin or the area of the country I live in. What I'm getting at is that these same fears that can be aroused between people because of unfamiliarity, or new understanding, can occur within a single person when they realize something outside of what is familiar to them. Your recognition that perfecting your "combat skills" might not be the direction for the greatest good is a step in the right direction in my opinion, despite the feelings you have yet to resolve. As for Patton, maybe we need a relic to remind us of the difference between an objective and a direction, he is very good at playing that particular character at different times when it is appropriate in history as the grand theatrical performance unfolds.

    An aside: I've spent a bit of time thinking about this today which led me to some interesting memories. I recalled my time in the National Guard as a teenager sixty some years ago where I played with war-toys. I guess that the conversation about war, wolves, and sheepdogs led me there. I always considered myself a sheepdog, but I wonder...
     
  9. Jim78

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    Well I hope I can change Ken. I do look at my past behaviour as foolishness. I had the intellect and the intelligence to act effectively, but I hadn't acquired the wisdom I have now. The judge just didn't want to lose control of her court, she knew a threat was just going to inflame me. I don't know how to forgive myself but, even worse, part of me still thrives on conflict in spite of everything I've learned.

    Part of what I did with the powerful was unmask what everyone thought was evil. I discovered that they were actually innocents, so countries are being run by neither God nor the devil. They are only run by people whom the majority of the world completely misunderstand their nature. If I had continued fighting evil men like them would have been backed into a corner and you can guess what happens when boy's with nuclear toy's feel threatened. That's why I downed guns even though it meant I was forgoing fame, wealth and love. I did it for the greater good. That was the first step on the road to this higher wisdom that I've acquired. It make's sense. I couldn't foresee my creating great evil in my past live's because the prospect of war wasn't so absolutely destructive. That was a good decision I think, but it's almost impossible to change my thinking in general.

    I used to feel dismayed at peoples directions or shifting viewpoints, but nowadays I stay out of life's way. I actually spent years before I fought evil staying out of life's way. The only reason I engaged with it was because I was in love. I'd had enough of fighting evil's done to me in my youth. I'd just relaxed into work and family. Yet when conflict came my way I went on the offensive. Even now I go on the offensive in my mind, I just don't act on it anymore. Patton didn't feel the need to change but maybe Patton and myself can't change. If that's true I'm screwed, what with my new perspective.

    Victory in conflict can be so satisfying Ken. I'm not as old as you but I remember my victories and still get an adrenaline rush out of them even though I know they were wrong. There's a fascination in conflict just as you were fascinated by the weaponry you used. That's why I'm in conflict with myself. I'm aware that I need to change but I don't know how to change. Nobody wants to be the wolf do they?
     

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