Getting it Right

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by fiziwig, Dec 21, 2002.

  1. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    A great older thread - with food for thought. I miss Fiziwig.:tongue:
     
  2. Nightrain

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    I miss Fiz very much, as well. In many ways I completely share his thoughts on the necessity of making sure that we don't get carried away by our fantasies and misconceptions about Reincarnation lest we end up totally missing the point of why we came back to this world. And, while I grow somewhat weary of those who come to this Forum for quick fixes and superficial support, only to disappear, I also remember how my own interest in the subject grew from a passive and superficial interest to a deeper understanding.


    When I was a choir boy at a local Parrish church in Detroit, we were invited to sing with the Vienna Boys Choir at the main Cathedral. Instead of looking forward to hearing how well a "real" choir could sing, I was certain that we would show them how much better we were. Of course this arrogance didn't end when I witnessed the astounding quality of that famous group; and the only effect was to cause me to loose interest in singing. The same thing happened to other endeavors and interests including music, art and science. There was always someone much better and I lost interest. It took me a long time to realize the difference between being motivated by ego versus being motivated by actual love for the subject.


    As in all things we must all begin our paths at the beginning, which is strewn by pitfalls and obstructions along the way. Of course the belief in Reincarnation implies that we have already begun our path long ago, and that we must come into this world with some measure of skill in some subject or another. If we are focused on ourselves, we will seek those skills in order to show the rest of the world how we have advanced. If, on the other hand, we are focused on what we can do for others, we will advance our skills and add new ones regardless of whoever is better than us. We won't care what others think about us, and we won't let anything discourage our interest.


    In this light I expect that most of us will come here seeking answers that are motivated largely by what we think of ourselves. Our interest must start someplace, and if it begins with fantasy and ego fulfillment, then I suppose it is at least a beginning. After all, I can remember being in the same place. Eventually, if we continue to pursue answers, we will find that the information gained along the way will apply itself to the truth, and our motivations will change gradually over a period of time.
     
  3. Red Night

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    I.... actually have a question. I feel like I get a lot of misinformation from having an overactive imagination, so I have a difficult time discerning fact from fiction. This causes me a lot of problems, because with each "life" I think I'm remembering a part of my personality is altered. But the thing is, I don't want that to happen, I want to be ME and not someone else! Yet, I can't stop wondering about who I was because it seems to have become such a big part of my life and I get a lot of "homesickness". It isn't something I can just stop thinking about, despite realizing that what's important is who am right now, not then.


    Does anyone have any advice on how to help this? It'd be much appreciated.


    I can't seem to relax my mind enough to truly and fully meditate, so I doubt I'd be able to be hypnotized. Would it be better to have a reading done? Or is that sort of risky considering not everyone can be relied upon. I had one done once but was able to disprove the information.


    Also, I thought I should just post this here instead of starting a new thread, but I don't want to take this one over, so I can make one if that would be preferred.
     
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    This thread is quite old, and the topic is about trying to focus on getting it right; so I see no problem with you bringing up your question here. I personally feel that it is important to do whatever is necessary to find a good regression therapist who can guide your subconscious without interference from your imagination. We are all prone to trying to fill in the gaps with false information that is prompted by our conscious need for recognition and self-worth. It may be that you are impervious to hypnosis, but a well-trained professional therapist would still know how to ask the right questions, which can reveal significant information. Even if you don't find success the first time, you will at least be more comfortable with the process so that the second or third visit could be very successful.
     
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    Thanks for the advice, Nightrain! I guess I'll have to definitely take that into consideration. I know there's been plenty of people who say they can't by hypnotized and were proved wrong, so hopefully I'm one of them!
     
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    I share in the very common problem of not being able to relax enough to be hypnotized, and I know that it stems from issues of control that sometimes evolve from Post Traumatic Stress, abuse and other causes which instill a deep-seated need to be hyper-vigilant. While it is said that most people can be hypnotized, I think it is because most people are naturally trusting. However, some of us who can't be hypnotized view such people as naive and overly credulous, prone to being fooled, lied to, tricked and abused. So,when it comes to us being put into a comfortable chair and being told by a stranger to relax and think only of our breathing, we are still keeping our attention focused on our surroundings, ever vigilant of unforeseen danger.


    Hypnosis comes hard for us, but it is not impossible. Like learning a new skill, learning to relax, trust and meditate takes a lot of practice and constant exercise. It doesn't just happen by plopping oneself down on the couch with a stranger who's charging by the hour. So, I recommend that anyone considering a past life regression should first practice relaxation and meditation techniques by themselves before going to a professional. This will make it much more rewarding for the professional as well as oneself.
     
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    Hi Red Night. Charles Richardson in his book Soul Journeys doesn't use hypnosis. In fact - there are several things to keep in mind:


    Hypnosis stems from a Greek word meaning to go to sleep, or to loose consciousness. Indeed the term alone carries with it a stigma of control and manipulation.


    Regression includes inductions, and simple suggestions, leading a person to find understanding in an altered state through the subconscious mind.


    Selective awareness is an altered state of mind that is natural and happens for everyone. The mind is alert and concentrated on a particular focus. This can be a focus in physical waking life, like jogging, or washing dishes. Or a deeper focus in meditation which includes the surfacing of inner thoughts, feelings and emotions regarding events in the past, even in past lives.


    Hope this helps.
     
  8. Red Night

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    Nightrain,


    I agree with you that I should practice before actually going to a regressionist. I have to swallow my pride and ego sometimes and let myself realize that I'm still young and not everything is just going to come to me. For some it does, but those are the lucky few. I'm sure I have plenty of time and when I'm ready, I'll know. (Or at least I hope so!)


    Deborah,


    Thank you for those descriptions! I didn't really know that before, so it's nice to have. :)
     
  9. Jim78

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    I also find a lot in the reincarnation community that I find to be too far out there for my tastes but then I'm reminded of my own experiences with reincarnation. My eyes were opened to reincarnation in a very intense way. So intense that I initially told my sister about it seeking support. As someone else said she reacted negatively to my having given her too much information too fast that were contrary to her own belief systems. I've spent most of my adult life as a realist and a humanist. The notion of reincarnation was for the tin foil hat brigade to me until it happened to me. When I went to my sister with it I naively thought that since I was so grounded and down to earth in all other aspects of my life that my new found belief in reincarnation would gain traction with the uninitiated.

    That wasn't the case. I just felt crazy. Although I'm glad to be aware of more than I was aware of before I knew about reincarnation I also resent it. I resent it because the new reality I'm living doesn't allow room for the down to earth Jim of old in people like my sister's eyes. Now I'm marginalised, alone and have no support. All I can do is cast my net over the internet and hope that someone can relate to my experiences but when I read things like 'I was an alien in my past life' my heart sinks. I realise I'm now part of the tin foil hat brigade whether I like it or not. I'm living the trauma of living in the ( for me ) new reality of reincarnation but to the majority of people in my country I may as well be talking about reptilian shape shifters and other such nonsense. Reincarnation is an out there enough concept to most people on it's own. All this clutter that goes along with it hinders my own ability to integrate my reincarnation experiences into my life. I think that is also reflected in the wider reincarnation community where the clutter hinders reincarnations acceptance into the mainstream.
     
  10. KenJ

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    Jim, I can relate to what you are saying. I meet for lunch with some high school (1956) classmates each month in warmer weather where I'd love to share my views. My wife knows my thoughts, but no doubt sees a tinfoil hat upon my balding noggin. Only my father, now long dead, had thoughts similar to the ones I have while some of each of ours would stretch the minds of the other. I could never really share my understandings with my sister as they contradicted her strong religious beliefs - so I also truly feel alone in my small little circles of humanity questioning the reality of my interpretations of my experiences.

    I do not know how much time you have to read, but there is a wealth of material concerning Consciousness in the universe that goes well beyond earthly human incarnations, that goes well beyond what fits within both what is generally accepted and within this forum's guidelines. With quantum physics hinting at consciousness being at a particle-level, I find that I need to open myself to the possibility of what is now unimaginable for me.
     
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    I feel the burden of the weight of my past lives on my shoulders Ken and I wish I could share it with my friends and family. At least one of my past lives is world famous but that's not the one that annoyed my friend I mentioned it to and my sister. It merely cemented for them that I had lost my marbles. The life that I mentioned that most annoyed them was my immediate previous life who, although not really known worldwide, is honoured as a great patriot in my country ( although some consider him a traitor ). This is my clutter I have to deal with. I've been known to sit, trembling, remembering all of the blood on my hands and thinking about all the wrongs I did and I can't talk about it. Being revered by others has nothing to do with it but it's all people can see. They can't see beyond that to my own suffering. I guess it's karma though. I did bring this all on myself. No one I know believes in reincarnation so I also feel alone with it. I doubt a lot of things but I don't doubt my past lives. I asked to be confronted with the reality of who I am and I got it. It just wasn't what I was expecting it to be. This notion that I'm going around deluded into thinking I was reincarnated when in reality I lie curled up in the fetal position shaking under the weight of my experiences is very offensive to me. I didn't ask to be who I am but I am who I am. I made my own bed and now I'm laying in it. There's a difference in knowing an historical figure and being an historical figure. When someone claims an historical figure as a past life others feel ownership of that figure and buck against the notion. That doesn't change who I am however. Although it's nice to just get drunk once in a while and forget about it.

    I know that there may be stories that I think are out there that may actually be true and I'm aware of quantum physics. There is much that remains a mystery but I do draw a line at reptilian shape shifters. Sometimes the best explanations are the most simple. I don't buy into someone incarnating as an alien anymore than I buy them incarnating as a dog. It's just not something I've experienced. I've always been human to the best of my knowledge and moreso...I can see with whats occurred in my lives why I probably needed the human experience.
     
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    The Jim in this lifetime has no "responsibility" for what transpired in a previous lifetime - that would lead back to the tit-for-tat thinking that equates to karma being retribution. What you are expressing seems to be similar to the embarrassment someone would feel after doing something "stupid" in front of a vast audience. To let an incident, or past lifetime, continuously affect a person's subsequent thoughts and actions beyond "lesson-learned" reduces their openness to new experiences and understandings. There are times when you must let go of things so that you can move on. It is very important to have learned the lessons that we have had, but there is probably no need to become a specialist in maintaining the feelings one particular lesson brought about, you are much larger than that. I believe that you know and understand what I've said but you are having a hard time doing it just as I have had a hard time letting go of things that I've had happen in this lifetime of mine that I still cling to - part of "me" (ego) yet not really a part of the "I Am" (essence).
     
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    I know God has forgiven me for my past lives but I only remembered them a few years ago. I'm not so forgiving as God. I've always been a hard taskmaster and I was never hard on other people without first being hard on myself Ken. I'm also a perfectionist, I chastise myself something fierce when I get something wrong. I'm ruthless by nature but now that I've learned this lesson I'm ruthless with no one now but myself.

    It's true that I feel embarrassment for my past lives. On this side of the veil people hero worship them but I know that when everyone reaches the other side and they are opened up to a higher morality they will see the folly of my actions. It was all for nought.

    It started with my fighting evil in my current life. I knew I was doing what others perceive as brave, amazing, heroic things but I was focused on the mission at hand. I felt that fighting 'evil' didn't define me. It was just something I was good at when the times demanded it. It was a unique experience for a soul on this one shot deal of life.

    Then I remembered reincarnation and I realised it wasn't a one shot deal. I'd been here many times before and I'd been defined by conflict every time that I can remember. It was a HUGE shock to me to realise who I'd been in my past lives. First I went around dazed and stunned, then I had ego problems because I researched them and saw that everyone thought that I was a great fella altogether.

    Then I was confronted with the truth through the unwitting evil I myself was doing. It was all wrong. I did hold onto my 18th century life as being something noble initially. This is a link about that life:

    http://theunitedirishman.blogspot.ie/2013/11/wolfe-tones-speech-from-dock.html

    I remember laying in the cell. I remember the men standing over me as I lingered. I looked at that from my modern vantage point as being a truely noble death. It was the one thing in my past lives I was happy with. Then I realised that even in that life I incited other men to violence. I realised that I committed evil on myself because my need to rebel created the situation where evil was done to me. I realised that I hadn't even been right in that life.

    This all reverberated down into my current life where I also incited other men ( and women ) to commit evil. My conscience has been awakened in my current life and I feel the trauma and anguish of all those times I just swallowed my balls and got on with it. I feel how wrong I was right up until October 2015. That's a mere two years I've been living with the realisation that for millenia I've been wrong. When I think about my destroying other men it rattles me now. It's almost like doing something in anger and regretting it later. My regrets go back millenia. I have PTSD from everythings that's happened to me. It's an involuntary reflex to triggers that throw my current life's past and my past lives into sharp relief.

    I know what your saying and I do have a hard time dropping my guilt, shame and embarrassment. Maybe part of that is because I don't know who I'm supposed to be anymore. I've been defined by conflict for so long that I don't know how to be any other way.
     
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    You are at a point of understanding beyond what most of us have experienced, it is a "heavy" blessing. We share a lot of similarities as I'm noted as being a "perfectionist" and a bit hard on myself. I differ from you in that I do not recall a prior lifetime, just snapshots and minor "strange" abilities that seem to only manifest as if it is associated with the individual where the ability occured. After witnessing the problems that you and some others talk about, I'm a bit reluctant to push harder to experience a prior physical existence for fear that I might experience what is menacing you.

    If possible I think that it would be helpful if you could have a chat with your spirit guide, I'd love to be present and have that happen.
     
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    I'm at the hardest point in my existence that I can remember Ken. Everyone agrees doing evil is wrong but when your oppressed and you fight back your hailed as a hero. I realise now that in Gods eyes it doesn't matter why you committed evil, it's still wrong. When I was linking that Star Trek video in another thread the other day I heard a Picard quote that literally jumped out at me. I felt like I'd just been dressed down.

    The quote was:

    "You think brutalising someone because you think it is connected to a higher purpose is justifiable? Do you think that makes you appear courageous? Because it does not."

    Isn't that it in a nutshell? It's just plain wrong.

    Besides...how heroic am I? In my earliest two lives that I remember I was a conqueror. I know I thought I had the power to change things and I always felt like I had destiny on my side. Also I was wrapped up in my life's narrative during my lives...I couldn't see beyond my own beliefs. Besides...life in the past is the same as life now in one way...it's about the people in it. But still...heroic deeds in one life is unique, to most people it's even admirable. But what about me? I did it over and over again...there's definately something wrong there. I was a bloody fantasist. I thought I was righteous every time. I always had to take the power back to me. That's why I excelled on the battlefield. I could envision weak points instantaneously. It all just came to me like inspiration. Nowadays that ability has become a curse. I find myself in a constant battle with my instincts and I am disgusted by my mind being geared towards finding the best possible angles to win. I pull the reins back on myself and then ask if I'm a negative person. Envisioning conflict immediately. I dunno how to change my thinking and it frustrates me. I feel like an idiot. Spreading evil and thinking I was doing good. I was delusional.

    I assumed everyone on here had memories. I wish I didn't know about reincarnation. I see my tactics being copied all over the world...I see young men being inspired by my lives...I see this vast spiral of perpetual evil that I contributed much to. It's overwhelming at time's. It was never my goal in any of my lives to be on the side of evil. I always thought that I was on the side of good. It's bloody awful to realise that I wasn't. But saying that...since I know now that I was wrong I'm glad that my perspective seems to be more in line with what God want's from me. Still though...it's hard to practice my new understanding all of the time. I miss when I was just Jim, they were simpler time's, but I was an extremely ignorant person before I remembered past lives. It's a double edged sword.

    I don't know anything about spirit guide's. I'm just an average bloke whose had a very weird decade. I wouldn't know what to do or how to do it. I've had enough answer's for one lifetime anyway.
     
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    LOL, that's about the only thing that I've had from the "other side" even though it was one-sided. My intent was that you might benefit from a regression where you might be able to find out why you have experienced what you have, and get a better understanding so that you can get beyond your current stuck-point. Also, I hope you are following S&S's posts about General Patton.

    I don't recall where you reside, but here in the US we are currently in a craze about abuse of power (mainly coming from people who voted for people who were, in my opinion, the worst) so it seems to be quite common, in fact I would have difficulty naming more than a hand full of very powerful people that did not abuse their position. I've come to accept the comparison of life-scripts as parts in a theatrical presentation where we are simply playing a part that has a broad meaning with enough flexibility to allow for our free-will and exit-points along with plenty of opportunities to experience the lessons we had hoped to have while in this cycle. To over-play the part would be more of a fault of the ego than of the spirit, so beating yourself for being a strong character would seem totally unnecessary in my opinion.
     
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    I forced these answers on myself Ken...through sheer force of will. I thought I was helping people and naively thought that I only had one life. I wanted to do Gods' will but when He didn't give me a direct answer ( obviously ) I rebelled against Him. It was a couple of days after that that I started to get past life flashbacks. So not only am I running in fear from myself, I'm in fear that I got these answers at the price of my immortal soul. I tried to pull the same crap with God I pulled with everyone else and, unsurprisingly, He outflanked me. That's how I see it anyway. I'm completely blindsided. I'd love to know why I've experienced what I did. The rest of my family don't have to deal with reincarnation and they never had intense, game changing experiences with the powerful either. I mean, I know I was destined to have those encounters because some of them were soul group members and it had to be me that had them because of who I've been in past lives...but the actual reason for why I had to go through it eludes me. I read the opening post in the Patton thread but not the rest. I'll check it out. I've always had an affinity for Patton.

    I'm Irish. I was also from Ireland in my last two remembered incarnations and my tenth century life. All four of those lives seem to be linked to uniting the Irish people. With Brexit and, to a small degree, the manner in which I served my country in my current life that may be a possibility in the future now. But if it is I do wonder what the cost of success is.

    I've always got insulted when powerful people abuse their power. From kicking my school principal up the rear for hitting my brother when I was 12 to destroying, through guerilla warfare tactics and media manipulation, a certain someone who was bent on destroying me when I was 35 I was always offended by abuses of power. Intensely incensed by it in fact and when I'm incensed with people you know what happens. As a result of what I did I had power in the palm of my hand in my current life. I used it wisely. I choose to down arms and not continue the fight. I'm disgusted with myself for what I did to others by fighting but I'm proud of the decision I made this time when confronted with the possibility of war. I choose not to fight evil for once. Then I found out that I was meant to be doing that all the time. Still though, I led men and women to the precipice and we stared victory in the face but instead of continuing I made a wise decision. I wasn't a great leader in my past lives but I think I was one in my current life. I talked them all out of fighting evil. It never entered my head to abuse my power but nowadays I leave the powerful to their own devices.

    LOL Am I overplaying the part Ken? Are you calling me a ham actor? I have thought about the possibility that I may be approaching my misery from a place of ego. I think "I'm not responsible for all the evils of this world so don't be too hard on myself. It's egotistical to take it all on". Then later on I think "Oh...so I'm enjoying my day after all the evil I've done? How dare me!" I am in a constant battle with myself. Part of me probably thinks as well that if I punish myself enough then God will forgive me for rebelling against Him. I'm still strong but I am lost at sea. I don't know how to be this peaceful, non confrontational person that I need to be to do Gods' will. It's just not the way I think. I'm battling to be that person even though I know that you don't battle to be that person. You just accept who you are and be at peace with yourself. That's when I know I will be a soldier of God instead of being a soldier of man.
     
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    The time period I had in mind when I made the comment was a few centuries ago when you were a bit more than a fighter than average.
     
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    I was a soldier Ken. My requesting to be shot like a soldier and not hung like a traitor was my attempt to wrestle my own destiny from my captors ( my remembering of reincarnation in my current life was the result of my trying to wrestle my destiny from God in a sense ). That's typical of my behaviour. It's actually probably something you could recognise in my tactics from all my lives. When I'm backed into a corner and in an unwinnable situation I give my opponent options. It's easy to do. You simply cap the option negative to you with a negative outcome for your opponent and the positive one with a positive result. In my tenth century life I used just such a tactic and subdued peaceably many a foe for years. In my Macedonian life I did the same on the battlefield. I presented the enemy with options. The best option for them resulted in the battles going the way I had planned for them to go. Of course unexpected stuff happened but I can play jazz. In my early twentieth century life I presented my enemy with options. Collaborate and die or roll over and live. In my current life I turned the powerful's reputations against themselves. Destroy me and be exposed. Roll over and no consequences. Obviously there's a spiders web of complications and obstacles on top of that but I can access them in my mind instantly,so that's not a problem for me.

    In the life which your referring to I was really screwed. I hadn't led men to victory in that life. I'd been scuppered. I was really backed into a corner. I knew I was doomed so I decided to take control of the situation. I couldn't present them with positive or negative outcomes for themselves because I was in defeat, but I surely could still present my opponent with an option. Shoot me or hang me. War is fought partly on hiding your reasons behind the options you create that you want the enemy discover and hiding from them the options you keep in your back pocket to win. A few hundred years ago the only option I could give in defeat was to show me the respect I felt I deserved or hang me like a traitor. Then I created an option for myself. My suicide was a two fingered salute to my captors powers. Defiant to the end as usual. I pulled the same crap with God in my current life as well and when I got no answer I decided to tell him to **** off. More fool me.
     
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    I'm actually reminded of my time in front of a judge in my current life Ken. I was brought before the judge and she remanded me for a week in custody, with no bail set, while I awaited sentencing. I shot back at her from the dock "Of course you will. We live in a democracy!". She looked at me from behind her glasses and I thought "Ah intimidating look number one. It's not going to work luv". I found it ridiculous that an old woman should be trying to intimidate me. I was waiting for her to threaten me with a three month sentence for contempt of court so that I could say "I only get three months for telling you what I think of you, your charge and you court? Sounds like a bargain to me luv". Then I was going to give her a piece of my mind. She saw the nonchalance and defiance in me though and let it slide. I went into custody happy with my little victory. In both lives, in court, I was prepared to take the punishment on my terms so long as I could say what I bloody well liked to them. When I read on reincarnation of people saying how much they've grown through their successive lives I do wonder if I'm a slow learner. I've been pulling the same stuff for a long time.
     

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