Have you ever heard of the "Mandela Effect?"

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  1. Jody

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    I've been really interested in this seemingly new phenomenon. It's when large numbers of people insist they remember different versions of history.
     
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    Hi Jody,

    I have heard of the Mandela Effect, but have come to no definite conclusion (though it seems like one of those things with a very low probability to me). However, I definitely can't dismiss what is going on in the article cited. I tend to think that there may be a more prosaic explanation out there than the Mandela Effect. Perhaps there is a legal tangle behind the whole thing, though it would be pretty remarkable for there to be no copy of this old video somewhere if it exists. Other than that one possibility . . . .

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Read the whole article. I am betting on false memories rather than timeline switching or anything else.
     
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    Cryscat: I've studied many proposed examples of the "Mandela Effect" (which got its name from the hundreds of people who independently believed Nelson Mandela died in prison and were surprised he died a free man after becoming president of South Africa). I think some proposed examples could be simple false memories, but some are more troubling. For example, there's a whole website dedicated to people who are really good spellers who totally remember "dilemma" being spelled as "dilemna" even though its not pronounced that way. The same is true for "Berenstein Bears." I remember it being pronounced as "Berenstain" but being spelled "Berenstein" making it a special case. Why would I remember these special cases along with thousands of other people? There's a mystery here! Anyway, here are a few more examples:
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    It is interesting, and some cases are hard to figure out. I was referring to what was in the first post though. As for dilemma vs dilemna, I too, was taught to spell it dilemna and was surprised to find that it really is spelled dilemma. As to the cause of this, the aberrant dilemna is almost certainly a hypercorrection; if common words like solemn, hymn, or autumn have a silent n, then surely this Greek philosophical term would as well. Like pluralizing octopus as octopi, saying between you and I, or pronouncing habanero with an ñ, the spelling is then perpetuated by well-meaning but mis-remembering teachers, editors, and so on. Its is , now, listed as a
    variant spelling. ((shrug))

    Let me think about the " Berenstain but being spelled Berenstein" thing. I am pretty sure there is a regional pronunciation variant as the source there. Its another interesting puzzle as I have always pronounced it "stein" and not "stain."

    Stuff like "stain vs stein" really shouldn't be a mystery. Spoken language is very flexible. I do remember that the northeast tends to flip the long e into an a, so that may be the source. Also if you say "berenstein" a number of time, you can flip "e "into "a" easily. Might be a possible "Great Vowl shift #2" in process and freaking a number of people out.
     
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    Hi Cryscat,

    I think your point is well taken regarding most of the items cited. Actually, I find the movie example the thread began with the most interesting, and hardest to explain. A local aberration in spelling or teaching spelling, false impressions about the way something is spelled or pronounced based on past (internalized) ideas about the way it should be spelled, etc. are adequate explanations for most of these. Likewise, in terms of Mandela, I seem to remember articles predicting his death in prison, so I can imagine that many would have internalized that as a fact just from the articles. So, that type of thing doesn't add up to much to me. But the example given re "Shazaam", and the number of people who independently remember this non-existent movie, as well as (apparently) independently remembering the nature of its alleged case, star, plot, characters, etc., just seems a bit too much to fall within the usual ambit of human error, false impressions, mistake and etc.

    It is just a bit weird. Its like a slight glitch in the woven fabric of reality, a bit like some interfering deity made a clumsy job of pruning something from existence, leaving a lot of loose ends dangling . . . .

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--Actually, the whole thing makes me think of the kind of thing one used to see on the "Twilight Zone". I can almost hear Rod Serling narrating in the background.
     
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    Here's a new one that just blew me away ... does anyone remember Ed McMahon (Johnny Carson's sidekick) handing out big checks for Publisher's Clearing House? Because apparently he never did ...
     
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    Read a little bit for the first time glace. I will read it whole later.
     
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    McMahon did the Jerry Lewis Telethon... maybe some people are crossing that with Publisher's Clearing House, somehow.
     
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    Is this Mandela effect an American problem?

    I mean, it is commonly known that he became president of South Africa (for many years), and this thing with American movies and series and movie stars... means nothing to me as a European
    ;)
     
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    fireflydancing: according to this website (dedicated to the seemingly new spelling of "dilemma") "From the hundreds of comments received here it seems that the Dilemna with an 'N' spelling spreads across many generations from 15 to 90+ year olds and right across the world - every English speaking nation seems affected!
    This site alone attracts visitors from over 50 different countries. "
     
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    Hi Thread

    I still spell "dilemna" , and it is the first i have heard of it being spelt different.

    There are theories that the internet is changing history.

    I have purchased 2 old sets of encyclopedias to have a Hard Copy of the worlds history.

    If the Mandela Effect is true, my friends say it will change in my hard copies to, . . . . light bulb moment, i will check the encyclopedias for dilemna, brb


    . . . hmmmmm . . . . . 1959, spelt "Dilemma", . . . . 1988, spelt "Dilemma"

    TBH, i didn't expect that, sooooooooo, is it the Mandala Effect

    @fireflydancing , great find on the 'dilemma' website.

    As with all strange occurrences, it is always comforting to know it is "not just me" and there are others who believe.


    christopher :)
     
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    Well, it wasn't me about the website about the word dilemma, but I still think it's a cultural thing. In my language, we also use the word dilemma and we don't mix it the wrong way.
     
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    I don't believe in it honestly. The biggest cited thing about the effect is the covers of the Bernstain bears. There were actually several independent publishers who published the book as Bernstein, believing it to be a misspelling.

    I think it's a common "effect" of its own to associate unfamiliar words, incorrectly, with familiar ones. My favorite instance is the fantasy rock band camp episode of the Simpsons.

    Homer: Mr Seltzer!

    Brian Setzer: It's Setzer.

    Homer: no, I believe it's pronounced Seltzer.

    Brian Setzer: I know my own name Homer!!

    I found it hilarious because I was also one of those people that heard "seltzer".

    A new "effect" everyone is citing is also the black tom attack on the statue of liberty. I visited the statue back in the 80's and 90's a couple times and we were always told the torch was closed due to a fire. Now, anyone can google black tom and read that it was closed due to damage from a German attack. A little more googling shows that this wasn't common knowledge until the 100th anniversary of the attack.

    My guess? The investigation during the war was classified and it was unclassified years later, to little fan fare. The 100th anniversary hit and it re entered the public consciousness. I didn't even hear about it myself, until I saw a post on facebook about the effect. I personally don't put much faith into it myself.
     
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    Hi fireflydancing

    I read and re-read your reply, then it sunk in,




    the reference to the website is the earlier post below yours, hence my confusion as to where the individual posts start and stop, ooops, sorry :):)


    christopher :)
     
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    I started this thread and since then I've written quite a bit on it. The most recent "discovery" I've encountered is how many people whose names I thought were "Gary" are actually "Garry" ... Garry Trudeau, Garry Kasparov, Garry Marshal, Garry Shandling ...
    Here's what I wrote on the Mandela Effect on my website: https://jpaulson.blogspot.com/search?q=mandela+effect
     
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    I experienced this once in a video game when I was about 6. The first time I played it, very early in the game there was a dialogue option that involved a yes/no choice. The second time I started a new game a few years later, it wasn't there anymore, and I wondered what happened to it. Turns out some other players had the exact same experience and a thread appeared on the game's discussion board about it, a dialogue option that only existed in the first playthrough. They described it exactly as I saw it. This thread ended unresolved, because many players never saw the dialogue option in the first place, but the subject never really faded away until someone hacked the code to look for it and found that this dialogue option was never in the game at all. I know I'm remembering correctly, it is my favorite game of all time and I'd never forget the first time I picked it up, and I never had any other idea about that dialogue sequence until I replayed the game, so I have no explanation for this except Mandela effect. It definitely used to be there in some version of reality.
     
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    Programmers change coding quite often with accidental inclusions and omissions being part of the process - without any record of when the changes were made unfortunately - been there, done that.
     
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    My last tribute to this subject. I think it's impossible to call me a skeptic as my life contains the weirdest experiences (much more than I've ever written down in this forum) but although I am not a skeptic, I don't lack brain cells and at least some common sense. This whole 'Mandela effect' is in my opinion B.S. and I really don't understand why so many people even consider to take it seriously. It's composed by shared ignorance, shared stupidity, shared cultural biases, shared dyslexia, shared cultural mistakes... and so on...
    The English speaking nations consist of millions and millions of people, easy to find a few hundred (even thousands) who make the same mistake in spelling or thinking or remembering.

    By the way, it was Steve Biko who died in prison, not Nelson Mandela. Which might mean
    1. lack of good quality journalism in some countries
    2. no real interest in international news by people and just mixing names and blame it on parallel universes
    3. people just love to create stories and don't care about logical explanations

    the hundreds of people who independently believed Nelson Mandela died in prison
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Biko
     
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    I mean, seriously. Doesn't this look weird to you?
    Famous female artist who paints flowers: Georgia O'Keeffe
     

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