Have you read books on the afterlife that don't ring true?

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  1. KenJ

    KenJ Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I just completed Stoller's "My life after life" supposedly words and story coming from his deceased son. I am not an expert on any of this by any means, yet I would like to think that I can detect things that exceed the norms to the extent that they defy credibility. I think that this book is an example of that.

    The book starts out with a forward by Bernie Seigel which was awesome and had a fascinating first few chapters where I actually wanted to share some quotes here on the forum.

    Rather than saying more than that at this point, I would like to hear from anybody who has read this book to hear their opinion - I read the kindle version.
     
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    The amazon.com 1 star reviews seem to share your impressions about that book. Many books I read start great, but end up disappointing.

    I judge the credibility of the books about non-physical function of how much I find in them things that I experienced personally. I know this is very subjective, but I have no better criteria. I also take in consideration the vibe I get from that author.
     
  3. KenJ

    KenJ Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    OK, I want to finish what I started with my previous post here about this book. I started out wanting to say that it was a "Pretend" book about reincarnation, one that leads otherwise normal people to equate reincarnation believers with the tinfoil-hat crowd. I stopped short of doing that in my post for fear that I might offend a member here.

    The book has about a 70% five-star rating on Amazon and the author states that he plans on more books, similar to the Seth Books I presume. The book bothers me in various ways, it makes me have doubts about my ability to discern credible reporting, the credibility of those who praise the work, and the effect it all has on the credibility of all aspects of reincarnation moving forward. It is well written, but rings very untrue to me which is why I was hoping to hear from others who have read it. It is interesting to read, but it is totally different from what I've come to accept about what is part of the other side of the veil.

    The inclusion of the use of "worm holes" or portals to move about dimensions and universes, the many many references to Star-wars and Star trek characters, and the actual characters that are mentioned that are his teachers really are a stretch for me. I understand the idea that we will probably experience it in the way that we want/expect, but even this doesn't allow for my uneasy feelings.

    I did not want to lend credibility to the book by putting my post in the book section because of my feelings!
     
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    I make a practice of reading the three star reviews when I'm not sure about a book, because often they're more balanced with both a positive take and the downside. You're definitely not the only one.

    Once the reviews become more substantial (not just "wow! I'm inspired and awakened now!") there are quite a few readers who had the same impression you do. e.g. It starts out with some very good content, then takes a turn into fiction and daydreams.

    I've come across the title before and felt like it wasn't worth reading. It's not on kindle unlimited so I won't ignore that gut feeling to share my own thoughts on the matter.
     
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    This is probably an unpopular opinion, but "Many Lives, Many Masters". Everyone seems to love that book, including a couple of people I know who don't believe in reincarnation still found it interesting, but for me it just wasn't believable. Some of the claims were just too far-fetched in my opinion, especially the part where they became "Psycic". A lot of it just didn't seem true. No offence to anyone who likes or believes the book, I personally don't like it.
     
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    Books on the afterlife that don't ring true? The Divine Comedy?
    I have to admit that I haven't read the whole thing, not in this life. Gave up at page 30 or so.
    Still, first thing that came to mind when I read the title of this thread.
     
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    I believe that most of those authors are honest, and their subjects too. What they don't realize is that they unconsciously affect their perceptions with their judgment, beliefs, and emotions. Consequently, those subjects, channels, mediums access the same information, but have more or less different perceptions. The perception is affected both by the subject and by the facilitator and co-participants. This is why a regression facilitator tends to get the same kind of information from their subjects. It's difficult, maybe impossible, to keep a detached and neutral perspective, both in physical, and non-physical.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I have read a book one year ago thatwas strange to me. Problem: I did think the author was honest.
    The book is called Jonathan and Eron and I don’t think there is an English
    translation.
    Two people communicate to a medium (who knew them in real life) about their whereabouts in the afterlife. I don’t remember reincarnation was mentioned.
    The most disturbing thing was when one of them found back his son in some
    kind of isolatinary prison because he had taken his own life. Suicide was punished.
    This son had his own little house in some kind of compound and was not allowed to leave untill he had learned some lessons and at the end father and son switched places.
    I didn’t believe what I was reading. So many stories that didn’t resonate with me. In those worlds, they walk a lot, meet obstacles to overcome before they can continu the journey, they use books and devices and so on.

    But, who knows what is true? Perhaps my soul never went to those places. Perhaps they do exist for some people.
     
  9. Cassie

    Cassie Kemetic-Shintoic Pagan

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    Reincarnation for me goes beyond the vanilla 'living on Earth multiple times', and sadly I'm not allowed to share those experiences here without my account being removed.
    But as a subject discussed, it's strange that the 'Alien' experience is far more a taboo than the 'God' experience, considering we have no proof of either at all, and there are are far more likely to be other races/species living in the Universe (given there are billions... trillons of stars/planets, than there are for there to be a God that fashions men out of clay, based solely on one book.

    I can see people's hangups when it comes to aliens, you only ever hear about them from hillbilly farmers who say they were abducted in their fields and probed relentlessly... which sounds more like a fetish than an actuality..
    But if the soul is as incredible, versatile and long ageing as we believe it is, who is to say that it has to be tied to Earth given how very many experiences there are out in the universe?
    I'm not saying the books you've all read are believable by any stretch, but I think to deny the possibility in other worlds, and a way to navigate to (and from them) limits out spiritual development greatly, and if I was to deny myself my experiences in that, I would be a lot less fulfilled than I am now.

    I just don't want people to discount the possibility of there being more than just this, because then I'd have to say I really don't belong here.. and that makes me kind of sad.
     
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    Hi Cassie,

    I think A Lot of people on this forum have knowledge of life in other places than this Earth. The reason why it is not discussed on this forum is actually very simple. The founders of this forum made this decision. Their goal was to create a safe place for parents of children with past life memories. First, the topic of reincarnation itself was not easy to be accepted by the public (in the US I guess, because in Europe it is not a problem to believe in reincarnation).
    So the decision was to stick to reincarnation on Earth to keep this place easy to enter by all kind of people (probably ‘religious’ people, but that’s my personal guess).
    Nobody denies other options with reincarnation. It’s just not mentioned for the reason above.
     
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    Cassie Kemetic-Shintoic Pagan

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    Firefly,
    I can understand that, my address is purely to those who would discount its possibility as a whole.
    I've already placed the things I'm not allowed to discuss on a far shelf, and I suppose that's just the way it is.
    If I can only focus on the less prominent lives, at least that's better than having outlet for none at all. Thanks.
     
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    Hi Ken. I don't read spirituality books but I do have experience with what I believe were wormholes.

    My pl memories always started with a tunneling effect, much like the tunnel many experience at death except a lot shorter. I believe I don't simply have pl memories. I believe that the tunneling effect was an Einstein Rosen bridge and that I was actually witnessing , in real time, events from my past. I call them flashbacks because its akin to being in the experience, not simply remembering it. I saw events unfold in my past lives, I didn't simply remember them. Wormholes may be a bridge to a place outside time in my experience.

    If I remember right you turned 80 a while back. Congratulations. You've made it further than I ever have to my knowledge.
     
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    Thank you Jim. I'm a lot older than I expected to be for a long time, no idea why I'm still in the physical.

    Life is strange, I had three people I've kept in my thoughts and prayers these past six months, an old girlfriend (80), A friend I made a decade ago (56), and the daughter of a person befriended here (18). My old girlfriend (two lung cancer surgeries and failing kidneys) is on a cruise, I'm told the youngster is doing well, and I'm going to the visitation of the 56 year old this evening.
     
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    I'm a lot older than I ever expected to be too Ken and I'm forty.

    Visitation? You mean a visit?
     
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    Visitation in as she died. Realizing that this is not appropriate or the place to say this, it seems important to speak about her. She was a sweet person, very down-to-earth. She and her husband loved being farmers and had a herd of dairy cows where we had a herd-share. She milked the cows by hand for about a hundred shareholders while her husband worked the farm plus was a construction foreman working full-time at that trade also in order to make a go of their love of farming. I'll miss her even though I only spoke with her occasionally.

    I've never seen so many people at a visitation, literally hundreds of people! How could that be? She wasn't a celebrity, author, or public servant - just a beautiful spirit doing what she loved while raising her children. I think about the visitors to this forum wishing for material things or bodily changes and am frustrated at their avoidance of living their lives that they helped design.
     
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    Oh. You mean like a wake. Some people touch many other souls lives without having been 'important' in terms of society. She probably led a much more fulfilling life than many of the 'high born' do.

    I often wonder about those seeking fame, glory and power myself Ken. It seems so shallow to me. I'm happy with my life in a material sense and I don't have any of those shallower material trappings myself.
     

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