The number 8 can be looked upon as a symbol for infinity. Time, whether linear and also progressive in one direction, is argued by the majority to be non-existent in the spiritual world, and infinite in the physical world. Therefore how is age determined in the Astral World? I mean to ask about those arguments that state that there are old and new souls, and that the souls come Down to the physical world to learn and age in experience and knowledge. How is "age" determined up in those neck of the woods? And is there a spacial environment up There? I mean SPEED. Down here speed is a relationship between distance and time. Another thing is this concept that the souls come Down to the physical world to learn/progress in various areas and subjects. Why cannot the souls obtain this in the Astral World? What do the expert spiritualists or those that state to have visited the Astral World say about this? Some claim that we were never created and have always existed. OK, but if that is so, does not this admittance of having always existed present a difficulty when the same proponents are convinced that we are here to learn/experience things? If we could imagine how time relates to having always existed, it would be comparing that one single drop of water in an infinite ocean, where the whole of time is the drop of water, and always existing is the infinite ocean. And considering all that we can learn/experience in a single average human life span of say, 80 years, what is there to learn/experience that the soul has not already done so zillion and zillion upon zillion of times?