Human perspective vs. Spirit perspective?

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  1. TheDivineOne

    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    So apparently in the time and space between death and birth, our spirits have this greater, broader perspective that we don't otherwise have while we're in our human form... and use this perspective to plan for our next human/Earthy life. I been told quite a few times on and off this site that while we may want something in and/or for our next life, our spirit, when it's time to reincarnate, might not feel the same way, due to having access to that broader perspective...

    But what if I'm dead-set on something? What if I don't care in the slightest about some "broader perspective"? Because I really don't! There's just one little aspect about my next life and it is immeasurable how much it means and matters to me. If I'm being egotistical or closed-minded then so be it! In fact, I kind of like being told things like "it's just my ego" or "I'm not being open-minded" so-on and so-fourth just for the satisfaction i get out of emphasizing how important that thing is to me... in such a sense that I don't even care if there's something "better" or even "more to my liking" than what I want.

    This one little detail is more important to me than life itself and it always will... and I didn't open this thread looking for reassurances or for people to coddle me. But I just have to know something: is it even remotely possible that if i feel very strongly about something will it really override whatever broader-spirit perspective has to over? Even if nobody knows I hope to beyond the Heavens that it does.
     
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    You might have read my thoughts, TheDivineOne.

    But what I'm afraid of is not my own broader-spirit perspective influence, but the influence of other higher rank souls (call them spiritual guides, advanced souls or whatever) or forces - all those who have a say in the final decision. Even if I don't want to be re-born as Napoleon or Caesar or something of the kind, they might interfere and ban my scheme. Or just offer me to choose among 3-4 other options, neither of which I fancy.
     
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    This is a can of worms that it can be a big issue should we want the wrong things should it all end up doing more harm than good, that all said there is probably room to want new experiences and general improvements. I really do want to turn the page so to speak and go onto something new in the next life even if it means going to another world so I understand.
     
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    My perspective on where we stand vs. our essences (spirits, higher selves, souls, ...) is that we, here on Earth, are like dream characters for our essences. How much do we care about what we-from-our-dreams want? How much does it matter for us if we do bad things in our dreams?

    When I experienced death during life-between-lives regressions, it felt like I was waking up to another me, that didn't care much about what I left behind, what I did, who I was. I didn't experience anything close to what others describe. Surely, I may be the odd out, but at the same time it is known that during regressions expectations and beliefs play a major role, both those of the subject, and those of the facilitator. Even more, if there are others witnessing the sessions, their expectations and beliefs have an influence too.

    When we get hypnotized, dream, have obe, or lucid dream, we normally project on our own quasi-private slices of an imagination plane, where we unwillingly materialize whatever objective inputs we get into subjective forms according to our beliefs, thoughts, and emotions. On the non-imaginary non-physical planes there are no humanoid forms, there are no earthly forms.

    I think it's better for us that, while we're alive here on Earth, to concentrate in making the most of this experience. Most of us don't know what we have to do, neither our individual purpose, nor our common purpose, so we overwhelmingly end up wasting this opportunity (as we waste the opportunities our dreams offer to us). To me, the most worthwhile goal for a human is to get credible answers to the above questions, then act accordingly.

    I don't think that wishing something about our next incarnations, however strongly, matters at all. But, obviously, this is just my belief, I'm wiling to share it, but have no intention to try imposing it on others. :)
     
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    Hi, baro-san:

    What I can't understand is why are we sent (or re-incarnated) onto the Earth with no accompanying instructions for use (not even on a subconscious level), which only the most advanced of us and very few can later discover (by meditation, self-hypnosis etc.) and apply. Is it done so by design or by management? Having those instructions would greatly simplify our missions and help us to avoid wasting our opportunities here.
     
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    Very good question, which will lead us to the concept of free will. Who would not ask for the instructions wether he should go with the blond or to wait for something better to come?
     
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    You are exagerating. I din't mean such a detailed level. And besides, whether to go with a blonde or with a brunette is already programmed on a genetic level.
    As I understand it, baro-san meant instructions on a mission scale.
     
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    KenJ Assistant Archivist and Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    For me, this is where the 'test' part of my belief comes into play. We would all like a 'cheat-sheet' or something to help us when facing a test or feeling of failure. It seems to me that a life that is explained before we live it would be quite boring, which sounds a bit weird coming from someone my age who is still trying to glimpse some answerso_O.
     
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    Nothing wrong with wanting to know the answers and we all need some help here or there these days, some are quick to admit it while others will go to great lengths to hide it but it is what it is. Personally I am pretty much drained and tired so getting on with it from one day to the next hasn't been easy.
     
  10. TheDivineOne

    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    What compelled me to open this thread was me being reminded of the ideology that we as spirits make necessary arrangements for our next life with a perspective so much greater than that during our Earth life that something we want for our next life might not be all that important after all when looking at it from that bigger perspective, particularly in this post. I just hope that's not the case for me in terms of my gender. If i have to somehow "imprint" this desire into my soul or spirit to override any greater perspective the death-to-birth realm has to over, then so be it, and I hope there's a way! In fact:
    See the below piece of dialogue analogy that paints a perfect picture of how I feel about the sex of the body my spirit occupies in my next life and just how much it means to me.

    Person 1: "I didn't get to go on that 2-week trip to the St. Croix that everyone else was invited to! I just really want to go because it's unfair that I didn't get to go to when I should've been able to go to St. Croix! I don't care if I was left out for a "good reason" or if something very bad would've happened to me if I would've gone! I was screwed out of a very nice 2-week vacation. I will do absolutely anything necessary to go on that trip to St. Croix, even if I have to pay for it myself! There's nothing I want more than to be on St. Lucia for two weeks!"
    Person 2: "I think you'll like Hawaii a whole lot better. The people are much friendlier in Hawaii than they are in St. Croix and it's nowhere as expensive as St. Croix. Also, did I mention the weather is much more comfortable? In fact, financing will not be an issue at all because I will fully pay for you to spent a WHOLE MONTH in Hawaii! But if you're still dead-set on two weeks in St. Croix, well... you can pay for that yourself. But if you want to go to Hawaii for a month, it'll be free... for you anyway!"
    Person 1: "NO! I don't care about you paying for a month-long trip to Hawaii! My two-week trip to St. Croix is what I should've had! That's where I belong! I don't care if Hawaii is better than St. Croix or that you're paying for it! I want what I was screwed out of and will fight to go to St. Croix if absolutely necessary! Don't try and talk me out of this."
    Person 2: "Fine. Your choice, your loss; but why are you being so closed-minded?"
    Person 1: "I also don't care if you think I'm being closed-minded; getting the very thing I was screwed out of is all that matters to me."

    See? Now... while I personally refuse to subscribe to the "everything happens for a reason" or the "[negative situation or circumstance here] happened to you for a good reason" prophecies, I do however subscribe to my personal belief that the things we want seem to always come true in life anyway... eventually... for me anyway. Even in a life like this, it just seems that the things I really want in life seem to eventually find its way into my life one way or another, be it Divine Intervention or me doing something to actually get that thing that I want. It may not always come quickly, instantly, or even as easily as I would like... but they do come at some point in time. I don't even want to say "I hope" it happens because for me "hoping" for something has the negative connotation to me that is really wanting for something to happen but being in a state of despair believing or knowing that it will not. But I am reasonably certain this big desire of mine will be realized by me in the long run.

    Lastly, I really do apologize for blabbering on about wanting to be female in my next life in countless threads but the need for answers on certain aspects of reincarnation in that particular basis seems to never cease for me, and if inquiring about it and getting answers on it will give me the peace of mind I need then I guess I will be making countless more threads on it!
     
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    I believe that we don't remember more because we can't, we aren't able to remember, as we don't remember who we are while dreaming. As we occasionally become lucid while dreaming, so we could become lucid while being awake. That's what I call getting "enlightened'.

    All this information is stored in our subconscious, which normally we don't consciously access.

    There is nobody who purposefully prevents us from "having those instructions".
     
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    I believe we have free will. At every moment there are probabilities for things to happen, and they continuously adjust as we walk our path. You can foresee the probable future and you can change it.
     
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    I believe that each one of us is the creator of his/her reality, as we are the creators of our dreams. As I wrote, we can do anything in this life, with no real consequences for our essence (spirit, higher self, soul, ...), as we do anything while dreaming, with no real consequence (maybe just a hangover after an agitated sleep). We don't want to have nightmares, but most of us can't control our dreams because we aren't lucid. Similarly, our essence doesn't want to have nightmarish lives, but can't avoid them because it doesn't become lucid while incarnated.

    The main source of problems are our emotions, which we, as humans, can't master yet. We just grew to mostly master our instincts, developed some intellect, and have glimpses of intuition. Our essence has still a long way to grow.
     
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    I think that I understand your strong need. I just wanted to point out that as for none of our past incarnations didn't matter who we are now, so it doesn't matter for us to know who we'll be in our next lives. But, if you find comfort in those thoughts, it might even be good for you, as long as that doesn't prevent you from focusing on your essence, and your current life.
     
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    Following on this line of thought, I'd say a major source of our problems is that we don't recognise our creative power, though we use it all the time. Much of society is built upon materialistic precepts and we are taught to not believe in our own capabilities. Thus we may more or less blindly be creating stuff all around ourselves without realising we are doing it. Yes, emotions play a part, they may drive us in one direction or another too, but if we were powerless they wouldn't have so much significance, it is the creative force which gives them impact.

    All in my opinion of course, and to some extent my ideas around these matters are somewhat fluid, not fixed.
     
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    It DOES matter for me who I'll be in my next life. Or maybe you refer to the fact that it will NOT matter to me when I'm between lives, so I'll meekly accept any option (for my next life) that will be offered me there?
     
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    Do you mean non-materialistic (super-natural) capabilities?
     
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    Let me clarify ... What I meant by "it doesn't matter" is that our future lives have no direct impact on our current lives, excepting if one subscribes to "time is an illusion", with the meaning that thought-forms created in future lives are present during our current lives. I don't subscribe to the idea that "time is an illusion" with that interpretation, as I don't subscribe to the idea of "parallel universes", with the meaning that there are distinct universes for each one of the possible decisions each one of us might take.
     
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    Yes, I see. It's understanding time in the traditional way, post ergo propter and so on.

    Thank you, baro-san.

    But, what if I want to pass my next life as an Italian Marine, could there be any objections to this from somewhere, on some level, or even from my own indifference when between lives (as TheDivineOne described it in her first post in this thread)? Karma and all that sort of things.
     
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    I don't believe there is anybody, or anything, objecting to any incarnated path. I also believe there is free will at human level, so even if one's probable future, at birth, is to become an Italian Marine, that person may change that willingly, or unwillingly, with his/her free will. When there is a strong probability for something to happen, it may take out of ordinary events to change the outcome.

    Regarding karma ... Your thinking about wanting to be an Italian Marine creates thought-forms that may be strong enough to influence not only your current life, but future lives too, until those thought-forms get balanced, and fade out. The thought-forms we create don't get destroyed when we pass away, and the more we think about something, and the more emotion we put into those thoughts, the stronger those thought-forms become, and the more they affect our lives.

    You might end up being an Italian Marine in one of your next lives, in spite of that next-you not liking it, and not wishing it :)
     
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