I don't want to reincarnate

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by larali, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. Angie Brown

    Angie Brown Senior Registered

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    A lot of the guidelines are sensible and entirely justifiable. Well, all of those are, in fact. What is odd is that whole crews have gone missing entirely, even in recent times, when they have ventured into a prohibited are yet my understanding is that at least one must remain on ship.

    Also, as briski mentioned, the reportedly 'shot on sight' rule. I don't know if that is just rumour or not, but there do seem to secrecies about the S Pole.

    Anyone seen the online Piri map of islands there from prior to it being covered with ice?

    Best wishes,

    Angie
     
  2. landsend

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    Just a question — how would anyone truly benefit from lying and deceiving folks about the Earth’s shape? It just boggles me that folks would believe otherwise.
     
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    And how do you think that people such as Galileo or Copernicus were just taking the word of experts? If you want to figure out the shape of the Earth for yourself, it is within your grasp. Lunar eclipses are fairly frequent, so you should be able to observe several, over a period of time. Look at the shadow cast on the Moon, by the Earth.


    These things are how you challenge authority. Make the observations yourself. Use your own telescope. Your own camera. Don't trust anyone. Anyone! Make your own observations and - after a period of time you will accumulate sufficient data to form your own conclusions, But trust no-one until you measure it yourself first.
     
  4. Angie Brown

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    Is this what you yourself have done?

    As for Copernicus etc., they never even went up as high as an airplane. August Piccard went that high in a covered balloon though and recorded "No obvious curvature".

    Added to which it is now known those 'photos' are composite, and many astrologers and scientists have stated that Earth is not a perfect globe as shown in those composites. The one thing we can all be certain of is that it isn't that perfect circular globe. It should be easy to find the scientists who state that by googling 'scientists say earth is shaped like?" and similar terms (as I once googled and found scientists saying different shapes. If they can't agree, who can? I believe they don't really know for sure either. If they knew, they would be agreed, wouldn't they?).

    Probably, Earth is as other solid planets and stars. An irregular shaped rock.


    Best wishes,

    Angie
     
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  5. landsend

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    One thing is to be an irregular shaped rock... another thing is to be flat. It’s the flat earth theory that is against all logic and knowledge.

    As for big chain shops. Take into account unlike small businesses they buy things in bulk, bulk = massively reduced costs. They have an overall bigger pot of money to dip into when opening a shop, and also more folks will frequent popular chains than your local shop. Although I don’t rule out tax avoidance and possible laundering of money, I know they wouldn’t keep a shop open if it wasn’t profitable. Big business guys are incredibly mean with money and for them every penny counts.
     
  6. landsend

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    And back on topic now of why we don’t want to reincarnate ...
     
  7. landsend

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    I guess I'm on the bandwagon of I don't want to reincarnate, but there seems to be an unavoidable compulsion to do so. I see this whole existence as a journey... this life is just another drop in the pond that is my existence in the whole ocean of life. When I'm in a good mood I think about giving it another go. It's a bit like having kids... you think 'God, why would you do it?' But then when you have them, in the good moments you think what would I do without them... (then they do things that make you wish you were permanently sterile).

    One of the things that excites me is the possibility of space travel. The old pilot in me gets excited about the thought I could be whizzing along the multi-verse in some sort of Star Wars epic in a future life. The sort of politics that a multi-verse with different intelligent species could create would put all our Earthly worries to shambles. Just my two cents.
     
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  8. inhaltslos

    inhaltslos Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Approximately 20 posts removed that derailed from the original topic and were political in nature, which is against forum guidelines. These posts could be cleaned up and put back, but until then do not start this off-topic conversation elsewhere in the forum.
     
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    I genuinely apologise, and shall be more careful to not be sidetracked in future.

    Best wishes, and have a good holiday season to those with time off work,

    Angie
     
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    Good call moderators. We all need to be careful not to bring politics too much into these safe spaces — very difficult at times.
     
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    I agree - politics is a divisive subject, and heaven knows, we need each other on-side here in respect and peace, above all.
     
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    I don’t want to continue to go off-topic, but I wanted to add that, when tempted to get political on a thread here, keep in mind that political convos only serve up division. There are plenty of places to voice these opinions, and we all have them, but *this* is not the place. I personally have cut ties with ppl I’ve known my whole life over the current political climate. I’d hate to see connections here broken in the same way. Concentrate on the idea that there’s more we have in common than not
     
  13. snowflake

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    I’m currently reading Destiny of souls by Michael Kant. Supposedly we have option of not reincarnating. I would love to know opinions of those of you who have read it. There are some things which I like and some which I don’t and I’m hardly ready to accept it.
    Can’t believe we are this imperfect that we keep reincarnating for thousands of years!
    Maybe we should start a new discussions on the book? I’m not sure however if this topic is allowed.
     
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  14. GreyReynard

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    I have stated in another thread my disinterest in coming back. I would go so far as to say I don’t really care about an afterlife either. I feel as though my very soul is weary.

    What I gather from my intuition while meditating or ruminating on this subject makes me think that the idea of wanting to cease to exist both physically and spiritually when we die is abhorrent to our guides, creator, etc.

    But, I think I could reincarnate perpetually for eternity and not get it “right”. I have looked a lot into what “enlightenment “ is supposed to consist of. It’s simply getting to the point of moving past the suffering of existence usually by no longer being concerned with it. Seems actually selfish because it only benefits you. So even getting everything right seems wrong to me.
     
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  15. landsend

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    The more I live the more I realise there is no magic solution. No golden path to enlightenment. Just there is this, that’s all there is and all there ever will be. I think if you can move beyond your own suffering you become more inclined to help others.
     
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  16. There and back again

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    This year thus far has been a bad sign that things are going to get worse especially for those who value quality of life and the sentiment of not wanting to return is only going to get stronger. Never have I've seen an age where things have deteriorated quickly as they have in so short a time without there being a war or some other calamity.
     
  17. Ceridwen2

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    I would certainly agree with that Thereandbackagain. I'm in Britain - so we've not been deemed to be "at war" in my 60 odd years of this lifetime to date - but that's a bit of a misnomer. We have had the Falklands War, the Iraq war, etc during that time and I can't recall what it's like to live in a time where the warmongerers weren't "banging their drums" and have just had to count myself fortunate that my country hasn't been involved in a "Major" war in that time. Add in all the other stuff of our population steadily growing at a fast rate (including many coming into our country illicitly - and many of our own people encouraging/allowing this) and the way the jobs market is (which I'm only too thankful to be retired from now personally - rather than being on the receiving end of the gig economy). It certainly feels to me like a lot worse "atmosphere" in my country than it was and I do look back to the "easier" atmosphere of the 1960's up to, say, the 1980's inclusive. The time before nationalism started rearing its head trying to split Britain up into constituent parts and that mirror image of some people wanting to tear down our exterior borders. Then we have climate change and I wouldn't like to pronounce on how much (if any) of that is human-made - but it is happening and it ain't pretty. We have the possible introduction of 5G (with all its attendant health hazards and with the fact that it apparently even includes the technology to spy inside our own homes) and generally I can see we are on the verge of technology that can even read our thoughts and emotions (now that would be the biggest infringement of our privacy the human race has ever had to our knowledge - assuming there weren't more technologically-advanced civilisations than ours on Earth before now). I have always regarded my own thoughts and emotions as totally private to me and thought "Whatever else Life is like - I am free to think and feel whatever I decide and no-one can know what that is unless I tell them. I have that level of privacy" - but I don't think we'll have it for much longer. It would help if people at least "got on with each other" in the same sort of more harmonious way I've been used to - but so many issues seem to start up major divisions between people at a personal level in my country now (eg Brexit) and one witnesses friends and families falling out with each other about a "personal opinion" for goodness sake. Whatever happened to the core British value of "agreeing to disagree" and just regarding a personal opinion as just a personal opinion and not falling out with each other if someone we knew had a different personal opinion to ourselves???
     
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    Spot on, Ceridwen2. My view exactly of how things are in this country. I'm quite glad not to be young and face the future. And I don't want to reincarnate, either.
     
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    I've had these thoughts since I was a youngster, mostly because I don't belong 'here' in this body, in more sense than one. I literally can't take my life too seriously. My only consolation is to look beyond the narrow minded view of 'this piece of land is mine, that is yours' and start seeing all of humanity as a brotherhood whilst retaining cultural heritage in the sense of, you know, cultural heritage. That's gonna take a lot of fine tuning because we as a group of sentient beings don't yet honor differences, somehow we see differences as a threat. It's about honoring and respecting cultures. We also think we are better than others, whilst they over there probably think they are better than us. Sounds kinda like hippy trash, but that's essentially what we're going to have to do at some point. That is, if we don't nuke ourselves to oblivion in the mean time. Things will have a change heaps, and knowing us, its gonna cause a lot of pain in the process.

    Just gotta say, don't let it get to you. We're here for a blink of an eye, then we're in the next body before we know it. My experience has taught me that being reincarnated has nothing to do with want, but a lot to do with need. If we need to be here, we will, regardless of our want. That's pretty much how I've lived my life, too. I sure as hell didn't want to be here, born the wrong gender, wrong country and wrong era. Yet here I am! Chances are you're gonna reincarnate. So better make peace with that and how you can make your next stop here better for yourself (and others) than moaning over how crap it is to be here.

    All above is of my opinion so don't take it as gospel. I just say it as I see it.
     
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    Larali,

    Sorry you feel that way. However please remember that the desire to not reincarnate is coming from your human state of consciousness which is limited in our understanding and perspective of reality of the cosmos itself. When we are in between lifetimes and existing in full consciousness in the higher dimensions (heaven if you will) it is there that the soul will make the decision to reincarnate if it feels and understands the need for it to further it's spiritual evolution and growth.

    As far as retreating back to your Christian roots you can by all means. However do remember that In A.D. 325 the Roman emperor Constantine the Great, along with his mother, Helena, had deleted references to reincarnation contained in the New Testament. The Second Council of Constantinople meeting in A.D. 553, confirmed this action and declared the concept of reincarnation a heresy. Which is why the concept of reincarnation no longer exists anymore in the modern bible of today. Had it been perhaps Christianity today would have been a very different spiritual path. Each soul though has a right to choose what spiritual path best suites it for it's spiritual unfoldment.

    Just remember my dear that you are soul, you are eternal and always have been. And you are as soul, as unique and special as their are grains of sands along a sandy beach or stars among the heavens. And you and I and everyone else on this planet along with all life comes from Divine love from the source of all that is in the cosmos or what man terms as god. We don't come from sin we come from love. Yes we have lessons to learn while here. And we will make many mistakes along the way. After all we are human. However it is thru our mistakes were we tend to grow from the most. Our life here in the physical world if very brief compared to life on the other side of the veil of reality. But it is here where we grow and unfold the most. Why you may ask? We are here so that soul may know itself by it's own experiences. And this takes many lifetimes to achieve this.

    In time we will no longer need to reincarnate into the physical world anymore once we reach enlightenment. When that will be who knows? And even then we may come back to the earth plane as a transcendental soul much like Jesus did. A transcendental soul, is one who shows up upon the planet as a buoyant, balanced being with easy access to higher centers and states of consciousness. These teaching of the transcendental soul, whether verbal, by example, or by leading action, is centered on unconditional love and greater connectivity of the universe. Souls like this have been known throughout human history, Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi, Lao Tsu to name a few. Each of us has the potential to reach these states of awareness from within. And the process of reincarnation is how we get there.

    Love and peace to you always....

    P.
     
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