I don't want to reincarnate

Discussion in 'Reincarnation Questions' started by larali, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. nlytnd1

    nlytnd1 New Member

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    I definitely don’t want to reincarnate and hopefully we have a say in the matter.

    I’ve been into the realm of eastern philosophy (Buddhism/Taoism, etc.) for the last 25 years. Essentially believing that there is some purpose behind this whole thing… a learning process, in which we grow/gain wisdom with every new life and eventually attain enlightenment at which point the reincarnation cycle ends. This outlook has helped me embrace my negative experiences and even helped me become a better human being, however I no longer buy into the notion that there is a logical/beneficial purpose to this reincarnation cycle which will make sense when I get to the other side.. It wasn’t so much an awareness of the many scams associated with this experience, it was a greater awareness of the degree of these various scams… and then observing the vast vast vast majority of the populace being unable to recognize them. As frustrating as it is, how can I blame them. Human beings are forced into government indoctrination camps K-12… essentially memorizing and regurgitating info and led to believe that such a process is education when in fact it’s programming. How could the meaning of this life be about experience and growth when we are programmed like robots and stripped of a genuine experience? It makes no sense. Whatever beings are responsible for putting us here almost certainly don’t have our best interest in mind. Positive energy and good times travel fast while negative energy and sad times travel slow. The cards are pretty stacked, who would want to endure this place only to get a programmed experience. And what’s the purpose of an animals life… meat and experiments?

    I do keep the possibility of one positive outlook open… we all experience individual realities in which our thoughts manifest the reality we experience, so I’m ultimately shaping this negative experience and at the end of the day, no other people or animals were hurt in the process… however I see this possibility as a long shot.

    I just came across this link and was really impressed. This lady breaks down what I'm attempting to explain perfectly… Much more thorough and nicely written in comparison to my jargon.

    https://medium.com/@lotussupernovallc/say-no-to-reincarnation-and-remember-who-you-are-26646bfd78d3
     
  2. Polaris8

    Polaris8 Senior Member

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    Nlytnd1, Your post was an interesting viewpoint on the whole process of reincarnation. I myself would never believed in reincarnation before since I was raised Baptist as a child. I questioned everything including the church. Which finally at 13 I left the Baptist religion which shock my family. For awhile I was an agnostics during the rest of my teens years. However all that changed when I had an NDE as an adult many, many, years ago. During that experience I had what you might term cosmic consciousness briefly. In that moment everything made senses to me including the process of reincarnation as I became aware that I had lived before many on this earth as well as the rest of humanity. For lack of a better term it is the process of the evolution of consciousness (the soul if you will) itself. All life in the cosmos is apart of this process and the physicals universe is only one of many dimensions of reality where consciousness can have experience in. There are more evolved souls that do help those that are at a younger stage of soul consciousness chose or pick the next lifetime that best suits our spiritual evolution. However as we evolve in soul consciousness we have more of a say in that process as we are more mature in making those kinds of decisions at that point. You are correct in that once we achieve enlightenment we can cycle off the physical plane all together. However there are cycles of reincarnation on the astral and mental planes as well. But that's another topic. In any case we can at that point chose any number of realities to exist in.

    Some souls choose to come back to the physical as spiritual teachers, avatars, ect.. to uplift and aid the consciousness of humanity on planet earth as it evolves over time. These souls are called transcendental souls and we have had many of them in the past. Christ, Buddha, the dalai lama to name a few. When we are incarnated and working thru the human consciousness thru the lower ego many of us would never choose to reincarnate back into the physical. However when we regain our soul consciousness after death which is on the six dimension we see things and understand things from a much broader viewpoint and understand why we feel the need to incarnate again here. One big reasons is that most of the growing and spiritual evolution occurs here. Because it is here where the challenges are at there greatest which causes us to change from within which in turn's transforms us from the inside out. This causes the soul to know itself by its own experiences.

    Anyway I look forward to viewing your link you gave. thanks for the post.

    Peace and love P.
     
  3. Jaimie

    Jaimie Senior Member

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    I can relate to the feeling of being trapped in a loop where same or similar things play over and over again from one life to the other. If one would have remembered the beautiful life in the upper realms it would be helpful but of course one don't....
    /Jaimie
     
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  4. There and back again

    There and back again Senior Member

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    Not mine but none the less it is spot on for some folks.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pastlives/comments/fvldg2/oldest_lifetime_youve_recalled/
     
  5. Polaris8

    Polaris8 Senior Member

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    There and back again, Life on the physical is truly for the brave and courageous of heart as most of our lessons and spiritual growing are done here. There are souls on the higher dimensions that have never been physical and never will. They have taken a far different line of soul evolution than that of man. So for them their lowest manifestation is the astral plane.

    The earth is not a place to suffer per say but a school if you will for the soul to challenge and experiences the duality of existence itself. The reason we are all here is so that the soul may know itself by it's own experience. This process takes many, many lifetimes with various themes, life lessons, limitations ect.. to over come, while learning to deal with the lower ego and how the higher self must learn to master it's own reality. There are lifetimes where the soul will have a pleasant easy life as it has earned it from experiences from past life actions created from within. However one must remember that gold chains bind one just as well as iron ones do. In fact more so because the soul does not want to leave its prison. This is part of the illusion of Maya of this world. This keeps souls trapped in the cycles of birth and death in the lower worlds of duality. However when the soul becomes tried of all this it starts to seek the deeper meaning to life and the nature of existence. This is when the soul starts its path towards enlightenment. Only when the soul reach's enlightenment while in the flesh does it end the cycles of birth and death. At least in the physical worlds anyway. As we do have cycles of lifetimes lived on the astral and mental planes in between physical incarnations as well.

    I have been told by some spiritual teachers that when you come to a place within your self where you are at total peace of where you are at in life, and that you enjoy being physical are you are ready to cycle off the wheel of life.

    Peace and love always. P.
     
  6. nlytnd1

    nlytnd1 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply PolarisB,
    What you describe is exactly what I used to believe. Back in the day I read a bunch of books in that realm (Journey of Souls was one of the more interesting ones). I've also had pleasant experiences on DMT as well and the energies I interacted with made me feel at peace to put it simply. But approx 3 or so years ago I found out certain truths pertaining to this human experience... as cliche' as this example is, it was/is just like the red bill, blue pill analogy in the Matrix... red pill you get the truth and upon knowing that truth one can't ever go back. This truth that I speak of is weird because it's extremely obvious once you snap out of your trance and it's overwhelmingly observable/prooveable and nearly everyone who becomes aware of this truth initially thinks that they will easily wake up others on the matter, because it's so blantaly obvious... however it's only blatantly obvious if one can put aside their programming, while analyzing the information... otherwise yourbrain will not even allow for the posability, since it goes against a lifetime of programming that has ben imbedded in our heads on a daily basis to the contrary... of course afterwards your free to weigh in your programming as much as you like. When one awakens to this I don't know of a single person ever who has reverted back to their programming. It's just not possible since their are few if any truths that are so testable, observable, provable, etc, while the programming requires the release of all logic/reason/commonsense, which is literally more far fethced than every other far fetched element in society combined. What this is is irrelevant and I've found that one can only find out this truth on their own and when they are ready. This awakening for me at least, demonstrated teh degree in which humans are asleep. Humans aren't really given a chance, we're thrown into manditory k-12 government indoctorination camps where we are limited to merely memorizing the information they give us and parroting it and this process we are brainwashed into believing that that such a process is education with the best memorizers deemed as smart... when in fact one can't be deemed as anything at that point. The memorized info is just a potential tool that one can then begin the processing of information from... the educational system stops short of this process. The powers that be obviously want an obediant non thinking populace to follow orders. To finally jump to my point... given that the vast majority of society, 95+% falls into this trap, who ultimately reincarnates to Earth only to get the zombie experience... with no free will just the illusion of freewill.
    I used to carry the optimistic assumption that we somehow carry pieces of previous lives into each new life... however if challenged it becomes very suspect, since we have no knowledge of previous lives and virtually everyone in society in this life gets sucked into the non human zombie program. Then and existence of. pain, suffering, sadness is astronomically more extreme than necessary for one to get an authentic experience. Oh yeah and lets make this experience have a food chain going on during the process where life feeds on other life to survivie. Lower lifeforms will be manipulated and tortured through animal experiments.
    I appreciate your optimism, but when added up this is nothing but a robbed human experience, replaced with an uneccesary and overhwhelming level of suffering and trauma. Whatever being/s are responsible for putting us here they almost certianly have sinnister intentions against all forms of life. I would like to think that I get a bring a piece of me into the next life, however it requires a bit of blind faith, especially since the pieces don't appear to add up in that direction.
     
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  7. Polaris8

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    "nlytnd1, I read your reply. (by the way just an observation try to break up your posts with paragraphs next time. It will help with reading your responses. Weather you remember or not we all bring with us everything we ever are in our PL into the present. This process is the evolution of consciousness itself. Most people on earth today don't remember their PL for a reason. In order for your conscious mind and present personality to handle the information give one needs to build up spiritual stamina and maturity to handle it. Because once one does start to become slightly aware of other PL lived it can be very distrubing and upsetting to us at first as we tend to judge things from our human consciousness rather than from a soul level. This is why nature pulls over the veil of memory for the vast majority of soul here. The karma that we have created will still go forward into the next life allowing the soul to unfold and work off it's karmic debit and evolve ect…..

    This process takes many, many lifetime to unfold before we are ready to start to see the bigger picture. This physical dimension is from a soul level a spiritual school of sorts and this is kindergarten. The lessons here can and are harsh and extermely negative and heavy. However over time soul learns to master its reality where we start to create more refine realitys of helping, healing, and teacher others of higher spiritual truths that lie within the inner self. You just need to be open to it. Remember you are the master of your reality. The universe does not judge it just responds to your intent from within be it good or bad. However soul needs to expereince both ends of polarity of consciosuenss to understand the whole. So for now don't be too concern about remembering your past lives that will come in time when your ready. For now the most important life is the one you are living now. Make the best of it that you can and allow yourself to make mistakes along the way because we all do. Yet it is our mistakes where we learn the most from. Either way its all part of the process.

    Love and peace all always.

    P.
     
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    We are not reincarnating. There is a race of energy-based beings, called Souls, that install themselves manually in the womb into your nervous system, and ride you like a game until you die. Then they detach from you and go and tell their friends in the afterlife about the wonderful experience they had, while you rot in the ground. They're doing this without our knowledge and permission, and they've been doing it for thousands of years and numbering in the billions. Science has never proven the physical Human animals need for a soul, and yet we see evidence that we have a soul in US, therefore, they are Invaders. We should band together to send a message in to their afterlife to cease and desist until they explain their agenda.
     
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    cloud potato Senior Registered

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    spacely,
    what an intro. welcome to the forums. i wish you peace in this life, soul or no soul.
     
  10. Klaud

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    Do you have a source for that? Genuinely curious
     
  11. spacely

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    Source = Occam's razor

    If you are a sole unable to interact with any mass in the universe, but still desired to study every planet in the universe, you need to acquire a physical body to do so. They are learning how to control the human race, get us to become technically Advanced, so that we can go amongst the Stars and investigate everything with them inside us driving us like a car.
     
  12. Speedwell

    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    @spacely Your ideas are interesting. Nevertheless, making such assertions as though they are fact is not quite in the spirit of these forums. It would be preferable to state that this is your opinion, or it is an idea you are curious about.

    I'm also not convinced by the use of Occam's razor in this instance. Your idea introduces additional entities unnecessarily. It would be simpler to assume that the souls are our own.
     
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    The entirety of spirituality is an opinion on founded in scientific study. We see a thing but we don't know that we are the thing or need the thing. Do you remember the technical achievement of finding a human baby and attaching yourself to it so well that you stay attached for the life of the child? That's one heck of a skill set. I don't know how to do it I don't remember doing it none of us does. It's a science that's not in the human race but rather in a race of Souls. Again it's a manual process and not natural.
     
  14. There and back again

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    Can add another reason as to not come back watching the city of Minneapolis being looted and burnt down by mobs of thugs, in one stream it looks like some looters even tried the same to a Wells Fargo while there is plenty online of people looting Target. This world is a crazy and dark place to live.

    It is stuff like this why I don't want to come back.
     
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    Speedwell Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    "This world is a crazy and dark place to live" - crazy perhaps, but not always dark.

    I do recall rioting taking place in a city where I used to live. I was struck, deeply by a photograph which appeared in a newspaper report at the time. It was of a small woman, a Quaker I think, quietly praying and standing for peace in the midst of the mayhem. That image has stayed with me though it was forty or so years ago. That tranquillity in the midst of the storm is something which I feel this world needs. To bring that into the world, that could be a reason to be here, to want to return.
     
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    There are crazy things, and there are dark things, but it's important also to see the peaceful and the good. Whether or not we've got a balance is a matter of debate, and maybe also even a personal choice, I don't know. I console myself by thinking of all the beauty around us. There are other reasons I don't want to come back, but for now, it's ok. I have enough good things. It's never too late to spread kindness in this world.
     
  17. Petrichor

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    I can see I'm pretty late to this thread but I'd like to say that in my experience it's entirely possible to get tired or scared or overwhelmed of life here on Earth, and in that case it's okay to take a break. I did for many years, though it wasn't a decision I came to in my last incarnation but after I died, so I agree with everyone who says you might feel differently about it after your current life ended. And I don't think I viewed it as a "break", I probably thought I wasn't going to have another life on Earth, but eventually I was inspired to do that again. Personally I don't think we're ever so "Enlightened" that we couldn't choose to have another adventure with a more "limited" scope, another angle or another physical body again somewhere at some point, because no matter what form you take there are things you can't see. I view life more as going between different states, and I don't think that becoming one with the universe is necessarily the "end goal", it is merely another viewpoint or angle on life. I think we keep coming back to things we thought we understood and every time, we see deeper truths and things we didn't notice or undertstand before. So, I think we should boldly choose whatever it is we need or want at the moment, and not worry about whether it's gonna last or not, whether it's THE truth, because nothing is merely a stepping stone to a "higher level of consciousness", every experience holds something in and of itself. And I think this can be applied to life on Earth as well as beyond.
     

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