Since you seem to be a Joni Mitchell fan, I figure I should respond to your request. Quickly I'll share my opinion that Joni is a Platonist, or better still, a Neo-Platonist, since I sense the mysticism in the artistic expression of her music. Take, in this case, as point in question for this thread, her song; Both Sides Now, and her album, Clouds. Carefully taking into perspective much of the posts on this thread, and then considering the lyrics of Both Sides Now, a keen mind should be able to see the connection and how they cover the discussion here. And we need to keep in mind the term "Clouds," both for the lyrics of the song, and also for the title of the Album, and place it along side with an ancient Greek comedy; Aristophanes' Clouds. Although Joni gave the public a different take for her inspiration on the song, if one were to press her, I think that she would reveal her inspiration came from Socrates' take on reincarnation, the spiritual world, and both sides merely allude to the physical and the spiritual world of Plato's Cave Allegory. And her conclusion was that she really does not know, either life, or love, or reality, in general, although she thought she did when merely looking at it from only one side, the physical. Rows and flows of angel hair And ice cream castles in the air And feather canyons everywhere I've looked at clouds that way But now they only block the sun They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way I've looked at clouds from both sides now From up and down, and still somehow It's cloud illusions I recall I really don't know clouds at all Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As every fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way But now it's just another show You leave 'em laughing when you go And if you care, don't let them know Don't give yourself away I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all Tears and fears and feeling proud To say "I love you" right out loud Dreams and schemes and circus crowds I've looked at life that way But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed Well something's lost, but something's gained In living every day I've looked at life from both sides now From win and lose and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all I've looked at life from both sides now From up and down and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all. Without seeming rude or completely disregarding any plausibility to what some are claiming here, especially by Dking 777, everyone expressing their paranormal "experiences" are mainly taken as truth on the basis of the claimant, without any reflection and constructive criticism. What I note is that everyone seems to have an unspoken code; you accept my experiences and I will accept yours, no questions asked. Well nearly no questions, as one or two here have raised some very polite-put expressions of doubt. Now, considering that there are few on this forum bragging about logic and how it is applied by them, I fail to see this logic being applied to the head-question; what is reality? Reality cannot be subjective, as related by perceived personal experiences, at least for those that are not a result of self-delusion, or just "daydreaming" accounts, or possibly even hoaxes. Reality is objective, and the standard, if one can can be applied, has to be objective, and one consistent with repeatability/reproduceability.