Is the censorship of the promotion of hate a good idea? Is hate evil?

Welcome to the forum DL, I had not thought of hate speech and its association with reincarnation.

As for its restriction on this, and similar forums there are good reasons for restrictions in my opinion, something like someone painting graffiti on your house as far as the forum owners are concerned. Shouting "Fire" in a theater or similar situation where panic could easily create personal injury is another type of censorship that should be common sense to most people.

My personal opinion about obvious hate speech is that it shows the developmental level of the speaker, and/or their inflexibility. So, with respect to reincarnation, it would perhaps be an indication of what they need to work through in this lifetime. I'm surprised by your remarks if you are indeed the age you state in your profile, perhaps I need an example of an instance where it is "well applied" and appropriate.

Perhaps Masrk Zuckerberg's recent congressional testimony is the inspiration for your question in which case I would say that there is a difference between vigorous debate and hate speech.

 

What is hate? I don't know personally. As soon as I disagree too much with someone, I simply disconnect.
I hate stupid people but I don't hate them, I just disconnect so they cannot interfere with my life.

Recently I had flashes/memories/visions of a former life in which I was a person that had done 'bad' things and probably (not sure) to someone who is a close friend in this life. I was shocked (and depressed) but immediately she said: I don't care, whatever you've done to me in the past is the past, I forgive you all. I know who you are now, that's enough.

In this life, several people did things to me that are not ok (understatement) but I am not going to lose my energy in feelings of hate. I've been angry, of course, but hate seems to me the stagnation of anger. It brings you nowhere and makes you prisoner of your own mind.

 

Reincarnation is not the only topic allowed DL, it was just a little different to have the first post by someone being on a topic so unrelated. Usually the first few posts are responses to other posts or reincarnation-related. I've been too close to recipients of hate attacks to have much regard for it. An example is that a friend of mine was the Director of the Board of Elections in 2004 and received death threats from idiots from all over, she even was interviewed by a magazine which fueled additional hate emails. Another example was that one of my granddaughters did not have a date for her senior prom, the owner of a farm, where my granddaughter worked in their barn in trade for boarding her horse, treated her to a surprise be secretly arranging for her nephew to come visit from California and take her to the prom. The young man had done some bit parts in some movies so it was rather a big deal and worked out well (although he and my grandson hit it off a bit better). An article was written-up in news papers about a "girl being surprised with a Hollywood actor prom date" which brought about a rash of the most vile and ridiculous comments I had ever heard - those were my thoughts when you wrote "hate speech", and those are the experiences that lead me to move away from people that use it.

From your example, it would seem that you are drawing the line for hate speech a lot lower - into heated debate territory. The problems that I see are the demeaning of another person rather than a discussion of the issues - the creation of an atmosphere where each protagonist pushes the other more staunchly into their previously held position rather than finding understandings in each other's positions. I recall being confused by the "White Only" signs on drinking fountains, beaches, and doors while visiting the southern states in the 1940's, so I had a front-row seat during that period that current race-baiters still use to ignite fury and division yet today.

This discussion leads me to a post about the Civil War that I recently read.

Spoiler

Who is the greatest person that history has forgotten?

Adi Redzic

While it seems impossible to single out the “greatest person” from history, whether remembered or forgotten, I am quite fond of a seemingly “average” couple whose decision to do the right thing had an incredible impact on the world.

Meet Moses and Susan from Diamond, Missouri. Their single decision ended up saving two billion people from starvation.

Intrigued?

Moses and Susan were farmers who, in the 1860’s, lived in a slave state, but did not believe in slavery. Consequently, they were a target for bigots like Quantrill’s Raiders who terrorized the area.

One cold January night, the Raiders rode through their farm, burned the barn, shot several people, and kidnapped a woman named Mary Washington who refused to let go of her infant son, George. Although the Carvers technically owned Mary and her children, as was the case with many farmers in the South at that time, it’s reported that Susan was in fact friends with Mary. In the aftermath of this dark event, she worked tirelessly to contact nearby farms and neighboring cities in order to secure a meeting between Moses and the bandits.

Two days later, Moses rode off to meet with the bandits at a crossroad in Kansas, several hours north. At the arranged time, Moses met up with four of them, each carrying torches and with caps over their heads. At the meeting, the farmer traded the only horse they had left in exchange for a dirty sack and its contents. As the bandits took off, Moses fell on his knees and there, alone on that dark winter night, he pulled from the bag a naked, almost-dead baby boy. He quickly opened his coat and shirt and pressed the baby to his own skin. Covering him with his own clothes and relying on his body’s warmth, Moses began the journey home. He walked through the night and into the next day to get the child to Susan. There, they made a commitment to the child–and to each other–that they would care for him and make sure he receives an education, in memory of his mother Mary who was already dead.

They also gave the boy their name and from then on raised him as George Washington Carver.

Yes, THAT George Washington Carver, the so-called “Peanut Man”.

Okay, but how did they save two billion people?

Well, George Washington Carver grew up to love botany and, thanks to another teacher, Etta May Budd who fiercely fought against racism, ended up at Iowa State. At ISU, he had a Dairy Sciences professor who would allow his six-year old son to go on weekend botanical expeditions with Carver. By engaging him and sharing his passion, Carver instilled in the boy a love for botany and a powerful vision of what plants could do for humanity, effectively pointing his life in a particular direction.

This boy was Henry Wallace.

Wallace grew up to, among other things, become the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture and Vice President, under FDR. During a trip to Mexico, he saw the importance of corn for the diet of many Mexicans, but also their struggle to produce enough. This is when he decided to create a station in Mexico with a sole purpose of hybridizing corn and wheat for dry climates.

He hired Norman Borlaug, a talented young scientist from Iowa, to lead the charge on this project.

Soon after, Borlaug discovered a way to hybridize high-yield, disease-resistant corn and wheat for dry climates. His product flourished in the most remote and driest places on the earth, regenerating like no other. As a result, over the years, his discovery saved an estimated two billion people from starvation.

[Later, Borlaug won the 1970 Nobel Prize for Peace, and also the US Presidential Medal of Freedom for his contributions.]

But who really saved these two billion people?

Borlaug, who was given the opportunity by Wallace? Or Wallace, who developed the passion for and learned the potential of bio-innovation from Carver? Or Carver, who created hundreds of products out of sweet potato and peanut (although, not peanut butter), but whose very life was saved by Moses and Susan?

Or was it Moses and Susan, a couple of farmers from Missouri, who believed in doing the right thing even under difficult conditions?

What is more, how many lives have these two billion positively affected and, indeed, saved ever since?

Are you and I among those two billion?

Even though many of us struggle to see our value, or the concrete ways we contribute to the world, this story illustrates that each of us plays an enormous role in the universe. We might never see the effects of our labor or our decisions, but that doesn’t mean we are not changing the world ever day—for better or for worse.

History may never remember what we have said or done, but that doesn’t diminish the impact we make daily—in big and small ways—or the lives we will save long after we are gone!

Not really pertinent to the topic, but I thought it was interesting.

 

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I am sorry to say, but hate is not the Yang to my Yin. Probably because I do not consider myself 'good' although I make choices that I consider to be 'good'. Just choices. I know I can easily do bad things, done some I guess, no regrets.
And if someone would come between my husband and me... it's my husband to make the choices, I wouldn't hate the other person. Wouldn't even hate my husband.
Someone in this life tried to kill my child but still, I don't feel hate. I am glad everybody survived and of course, I've been angry and I did not forgive. But I disconnected because it's the past and I try to live in the Present.
And about love: love is not possessing someone. I do not own my lovers, I do not own my children. My self-worth is not in a relationship.

 

I noticed in another thread that you had a definite opinion of Edgar Cayce, how did you come about that strong feeling, did you know him in the past? My thoughts are that you have formed an opinion based on something other than reading about his life.

That is something that is very difficult for most people to comprehend, I appreciate your understanding of that. The possessiveness that accompanies most relationships is difficult for them to distinguish from some aspect of "love" rather than a fear of loss. We differ only in the area of forgiveness which is more difficult for most people - we would have to be in another's exact position and frame of mind to understand something well enough to be totally unforgiving IMO. It is like the saying "You can't have something until you let go of it" that takes a bit of living to truly understand.