agog?tanguerra said:You are very welcome Apop. Best wishes to you. Share new thoughts at will. I for one am agog.
Dear apop,apop4523 said:Since the posts have died down on my thread I just want to say thank you guys for talking to me and giving me advice and making me feel more in my skin. If anyone wants to talk about this more with me, just message or email me. I also have iChat/AIM: antipop4523 and Skype: hellozepp11. It's been great. I'll be posting more on other threads and maybe start another. Thanks so much! headbang.gif
Let's say you are here for a reason.apop4523 said:Azure,
Thank you so much. I'm taking that to heart. I want to improve everything abut my life, but I feel some of these things are just inevitable. I am very sensitive and artistic and so on and I carry so many of his traits.
I'm not so sure this is 'the' rule. I agree if you left things undone you will somehow once be confronted with it until things are cleared whatever they might be. But in some cases I think a soul isn't able to immediately return. Because there's a lot of healing to do first. The afterlife provides healing at first. I'm also not sure the afterlife regards suicides as absolutely not done. It should not be, I agree with that, but I don't really believe you are punished in either way, be it sent back or put on the punishment bank in the after life :laugh:.Azure said:If you kill yourself, God will put you back in the flesh immediately.
Thank you! I feel the near-death experiences and past-life memories suppelement each other. I found here via NDERF.Overseas said:Hi Azure,
Nice to read your thoughts and comment on this forum. It seems like you know what you are saying.
It must be always remembered that time is a property of material existence. It may sound weird, but there is no time in Heaven. Time is merely the gradient of entropy; it exists only here on Earth. This sounds weird, but it is confirmed by quantum physics. It is also a phenomenon which is encountered time and time again on NDEs.I'm not so sure this is 'the' rule. I agree if you left things undone you will somehow once be confronted with it until things are cleared whatever they might be. But in some cases I think a soul isn't able to immediately return. Because there's a lot of healing to do first. The afterlife provides healing at first.
It is NOT a punishment. It is merely another mandatory chance. Having to renew a class, an examination, a test is not a punishment as itself; it is rather a new chance.I'm also not sure the afterlife regards suicides as absolutely not done. It should not be, I agree with that, but I don't really believe you are punished in either way, be it sent back or put on the punishment bank in the after life :laugh:.
Remember there is no time in Heaven. One second earthly life may be hundreds of years in Heaven.Now about Kurt, in one of my posts I wrote that it would somehow be logical that he'd be in a happier environment this time around, holding in mind we always return in a better state. But when I gave this a deeper thought it somehow conflicts with the state of mind Kurt was in when he died. He would've needed more time to heal because the mental state is a slow healer. His self-hatred might take a lot of time to heal or even to leave no more trace in a next life. Maybe it even can take hundreds of years.
One big difference is that Kurt Cobain was a divorce child. Apop has grown in a healthy family. That makes a vast difference. Loving yourself and loving your neighbour are two mirror images. It is utterly difficult to love yourself if you don't experience love - and vice versa.Apop when I look at you on the picture I don't see no traces of for example self-hatred. Some of his symptoms may have been triggered by his physical condition, but the whole of psycho-physical symptoms Kurt showed were imo symptoms of a vicious circle. Could it be that Kurt shows no more of these symptoms in his new incarnation and so quick? Or did you have some of these symptoms Apop as a kid because you look happy enough to me on the recent picture?
Apop, if you inspect Kurt Cobain's bio, you might find familiarities here. It is that very few things happen at chance, and everything is for purpose.apop4523 said:This is to both of you since you guys don't know me too well. Well... at all. I just don't know how you guys assumed all that stuff.. I def did not have an easy childhood. My dad has always been an extremely difficult person (which is why my parents are getting divorced now). He used to beat me when I was little and my parents were separated for 2 and a half years. Now it is eight year later and they are just getting divorced.
That sounds very Cobain-ish. He was just like that.My mom has always been supportive though... well mostly. I am extremely artistic and stand for what I think is right. I don't like people getting beat up because of what I went through... I don't like hearing about rape and violence it just ****** me off. I've used music as an outlet for that. But also music is just a thing I do. Not all the songs are about stuff like that. But then again I guess they do sound a bit angsty.
I think that is a good idea. Familiar places, things and milieu may help you on your task.A little while ago I decided that for my senior year of high school (i'll be 18) I'll be moving to Las Vegas with one of my friends. I'll be getting a job and finishing up high school. After that summer, I'll be moving to Olympia, WA. I really want to retrace some things. I want to visit these places to better understand everything.
*smile* I am an amateur musician myself, and I have a strange hobby - writing song parodies. I can distinguish between good lyrics and bad lyrics, and yours are good.Here's some lyrics if you're interested:
How can I picture this?Azure said:Time is merely the gradient of entropy
But from an earth point of view there could be intervals in a souls presence on earth, no? Or have our souls always been here immediately reincarnating?Azure said:Since there is no time in Heaven, the healing and recovery can happen "immediately" on Earthly time, while the soul itself may experience it taking centuries. But the karmic ties need to be tied here on Earth - before the time window will close. That is why the "immediate" (earthly time) reincarnation.
This doesn't make sense to me Azure. If there's no time in heaven how can it be hundreds of years then?Azure said:Remember there is no time in Heaven. One second earthly life may be hundreds of years in Heaven.
Apop, it was just my impression but with a question to you if I was right. So thanks for reacting. I'm glad you direct what lives inside you into the beautiful force music is. It suits you well.apop4523 said:This is to both of you since you guys don't know me too well. Well... at all. I just don't know how you guys assumed all that stuff.. I def did not have an easy childhood.
Entropy is a thermodynamical property of a set of particles. It describes the state of greater disorder. Time is the gradient of entropy - time goes in the direction where the entropy grows. In the present the entropy is greater than in the past, and in the future it will be greater than now.Overseas said:How can I picture this?
The former. There may well be intervals in souls reincarnating. They may be years, decades or even centuries. Only in exceptional cases the reincarnation is immediate - suicide may be one such.But from an earth point of view there could be intervals in a souls presence on earth, no? Or have our souls always been here immediately reincarnating?
It doesn't make sense in the frame of reference we experience here on Earth. It makes perfect sense in The Yonder - and it is confirmed both by the near-death experiences - and by thermodynamics. Time is merely a property of matter; likewise, in a system where there is no matter, there is no entropy and no time either. The time in such system is known as kairos - one single point where past, present and future are all simultaneously there. In such state the time can be stretched like bubble gum or spring. The NDErs say "they couldn't tell if they had been dead for seconds, months or centuries" while the time passed on Earth had been merely minutes before death and resuscitation.This doesn't make sense to me Azure. If there's no time in heaven how can it be hundreds of years then?
I'm quite familiar with NDEs as well, though I've not read anything that suggests suicide victims are required or made to reincarnate immediately after death. If the reports I've read are anything to go by, people who do this usually have to view the consequence of their actions from the earthbound realm; and of course without bodies, they are powerless to intervene, but are starkly aware of how their actions have affected others around them.Azure said:The former. There may well be intervals in souls reincarnating. They may be years, decades or even centuries. Only in exceptional cases the reincarnation is immediate - suicide may be one such.
Yes. Please see http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research13.html - that is an excellent description. And the healing may happen instantly on Earthly frame of reference, but may feel like centuries in kairos.Overseas said:Ok Azure, now it makes more sense to me, thx!
I like the concept of Kairos. So there our souls have no sense of time... And then the Kairos place can be an immediate healer if you take the case of Kurt?!
What comes my mind is that mission was not yet fulfilled, and that he had karma to settle - or he had a task to influence certain other people.Any thoughts on why he should be coming back immediately?
I attempted to find some kind of a riff and melody for your lyrics. You had done good work - the pacing was almost perfect for so-called "heavy metal gallop".apop4523 said:Glad to see there is an abundance of posts now ^_^ . Anywho. Wow, that's really cool to think about Azure. It might not be completely relevant to reincarnation, but you guys should watch I <3 Huckabees. It's one of my fave movies and it's an eye opener. You'll see why I brought it up.