Not political...personal

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  1. Jim78

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    Its hard to avoid political talk considering my current and past lives but I just want you all to know that the Irish Civil War has finally been healed. It has burdened me for years.

    Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have entered an historic coalition this week. They had their roots in the split that occurred between Anti Treaty and Pro Treaty factions that caused the Irish Civil War in 1922. A war I died in on the Pro Treaty side.

    That means that the current Irish government contains the original Sinn Fein that was elected to the First Dail ( Parliament ) in 1919 before the Civil War split them and they are currently being supported by the Green Party too.

    Seeing it happen has brought tears to my eyes. The true functioning Republic I envisioned in my immediate past life is one more step closer to being realised.

    The Civil War has been healed, my comrades and those of my opponents can now rest and our children can look forward to a brighter future, something I myself pushed for in 2013 and in the early twentieth century.

    They are talking about it all now on the news and its hard for me to write through the tears.

    I hope the mods realise this is very personal to me considering I was Commander In Chief of the Pro Treaty Free State Army.

    A century old wound has been healed. I'm so proud to be a patriot today.

    Thank you all.
     
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    Just to give other members context.

    The impetus of this new grand coalition was to keep the modern Sinn Fein out of office. In my opinion and based on their use of my tactics during the troubles they were murderers and judging by my life dealings with the IRA in my current life I would be killed for outing them so they retain political traction that the IRA is disbanded. ( Don't worry about me, apparently letters upon my death to the right people are more terrifying to the Provo's than a bullet ), some soldiers....pffft.

    My point of this post is that the evils of the modern political structure has resulted in a grand coalition of historically opposed parties.

    They've played politics for nearly 100 years and were left with no choice but to reconcile.

    That's EXACTLY what I planned in 1921.

    The reason this topic isn't political is because it talks to my own soul. The frustration I felt during the Civil War, fighting for a treaty I didn't believe in but that I knew would eventually give us the power to win a Republic, the sheer frustration of trying to convince others of how I saw it...has been justified.

    In this case the snake didn't eat its own tail, it came back on itself and saw the light.

    It only took a century
    Small change in reincarnation terms...but feck me....has it been exhausting.
     
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    Congratulations are in order then, Jim! :D *blows party streamers*

    Often some wars that ended decades ago, can on a spiritual plane, ‘not end’ for us until we have closure whether that be spiritually or physically...

    All the best,
    Eva x
     
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    Thanks Eva. My family doesn't understand why I'm so emotional about it. My brother just said "More of the same" referring to the grand coalition.

    From their perspective if those governing don't give out unicorns and rainbows then they are failures.

    Personally, having led, I recognise that more practical, prudent, grounded decisions are necessary. I don't expect the new cabinet to create magic but it has alleviated my fears these past nearly seven years that division would halt my vision for my country again as it did during the Civil War. Party streamers indeed.
     
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    Hi Jim,

    I'm glad you've lived to see it this time around! All the best!

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--It's also nice to hear/see some unabashed patriotism! It's a dirty word on this side of the pond.
     
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    Thanks for your words S&S. This was reported in the papers yesterday:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/micheal-m...valera-and-collins-portraits-5135491-Jun2020/

    Its profound to have Dev and Collins side by side in a Fianna Fail Taoiseachs office. Collins was always the opposing parties icon.

    Many people, including my family, drifted to Sinn Fein for great change. They don't realise the importance of last week.

    As for patriotism, I think many, in my country as well as yours, don't understand what patriotism is. That's why its a dirty word.

    As Collins I was forced into political positions as a necessary evil of the times but as Jim I had the freedom to take an apolitical stance on things. As in your country as well as mine patriotism is defined by what political position you take and every faction thinks they are right....that's not how it works IMO.

    Patriotism for me is a broader understanding of what ones country needs. Do you think an infantryman in Iraq, Vietnam etc took a political stance that served their needs? Many didn't. They simply served their country. It was the same for me in many of my lives.

    I didn't have to agree with my leaders, that's wasn't my job, my job was contributing to preserving the democratic ideals of my country even if that meant doing things I didn't agree with. That's something many of the millennial generation don't realise, its not about you, its not about the person leading in government, its about serving ones country and that means that one must be willing to sacrifice themselves for the democratically elected Chief. Their feelings don't enter into it.

    Now I know that many came home from war, particularly the Irish Civil War and Vietnam, with torn feelings between how they served and what they now believed, but that's not the point. The point is service and sacrifice for the greater good. Right or wrong an oath of allegiance to a democratically elected leader is an oath of allegiance to ones country. That's patriotcism IMO. One must put their personal feelings aside for the greater good.

    As Collins I didn't want to negotiate a treaty but that was my mandate, I was a soldier following orders. I saw a bigger picture than my feelings on it. That's what many soldiers do. That's what many young civilians nowadays don't understand.

    Its a shame really.
     
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    Also that doesn't mean blindly following ones leaders over a cliff, its about following the will of the nation and the nation IS the people.

    As I said to a powerful individual of higher office than me who had overstepped his mandate in 2013 "You're supposed to be a public servant ye little shyte ye....elected BY the people FOR the people....well I AM the people and I'm telling ye now! Pick up your rattle and get back in your pram."
     
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    Hi Jim,

    Good stuff, but I can't respond here. I'll send you a PM.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    That's cool S&S. I can see how this conversation could go beyond the patriotic and towards the political. I'll look forward to reading your PM.
     
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    450px-First_dail_restoration3.jpg

    Ireland's first Dail. I'm in the front row, second from left with my arms folded.

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    Ireland's new Cabinet. All socially distanced of course. My fight between 2013/2014 seems worth it now. I'd chastised myself for it for years but here's hoping some positives come out of it.
     
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    I was talking to my neighbour last night. He supports an unproven in government TD. I pointed out that leadership is also about compromise. I compromised on a Republic in favour of a Free State in 1921 because I knew it was the best deal we could get.

    The idealists said that wasn't what they fought for, branded me a traitor to the Republic and split the Dail. But the treaty got a majority in the Dail and was supported by the majority of the country. That's the point. In democracy majority rules....yet the Anti Treaty faction justified it with "The treaty was got under duress from the British so 1922 views don't count, only the Dail of 1919 counts." Ridiculous. Public opinion is fluid. If the treaty hadn't been accepted I would have supported that but it was so I had my mandate.

    What's the point of sectionalizing in 2020? Both parties who have their roots in the Civil War have coelesced.

    I read an article that said no one cares about the coalition of opposing parties since 1973 because that generation is dead. Well...I care being the only living witness to a remembered Civil war. Also what happens in the Dail trickles down to the populace so the healing of the rift is very important to the modern Irish people whether they realise it or not IMO.
     
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...eave-portrait-in-taoiseach-s-office-1.4302466

    I think its interesting that my grandniece knows I appreciate the coalition between these parties whereas Devs' descendant is intractable and backward, or at least static, thinking. ( although Dev was also slippery, he didn't want to be the one bringing the treaty home even though he was the Chief. )

    It almost feels like ghosts of the past still influence family down through the decades. Is this nature or nurture? What does it mean in reincarnation terms given that familial bonds are severed after each life and most of us find ourselves in a new family with new attitudes and influences while having a bad bout of amnesia?
     
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    I just watched the funeral of John Hume, the only person to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, Martin Luther King Peace Prize and Ghandi Peace Prize. He also beat Michael Collins in being considered Ireland's greatest in 2010.

    My daughter comforted my tears as I remembered the Troubles and what Hume did.
     
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    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/michael-collins-many-faces

    Its funny. I also used anonymity to give me great power in my current life. Without anonymity I couldnt have done what I did. Yet people are incredulous at this.

    I ask why?

    Anonymity gives one the power to cripple the powerful. It was the greatest weapon in my not to insubstantial arsenal both as Collins and as myself.

    Also, a side note....I was in Mountjoy Prison in my current life and didn't have a mugshot taken there.
     
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    You know, I really miss those good days when the Irish were standing up for justice in this world. Even in my childhood in the 1980s I was looking up to the Irish freedom fighters, showing the whole world the way. And those hunger strikers were real heroes! Whatever happend to the Irish nowadays... You all suddenly became so comform and silent.
     
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    Hi Jim,

    A terrible tragedy Jim. My thoughts are with you on a day when tyranny reigned against helpless people with tragic results.

    Unfocused violence by governmental authorities against innocent civilians as revenge/reprisal for acts by combatants can never be justified IMO. As far as I can tell, this is not a case of "collateral damage" or even one where the ones they wanted were hiding among the civilians. It was just murder.

    S&S
     
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    Hi Stewardess Ester Osz, you aren't aware but you've insulted me and on a day where it was unwarranted.

    While its true that Northern Irish Catholics had to push against injustices from the late sixties what the Provisional IRA did was unconscionable.

    I've had many arguments with Sinn Feinners over the years over the actions of the PIRA.

    First I thought most of their tactics where idiotic and incompetent. They targeted civilians, whether for sectarian reasons or on the British mainland. That's why as Jim and as Collins I never condoned such actions.

    I eliminated agents of the state, informers and such. They did what I refused to do, they targeted civilians, innocents, people out shopping or having a laugh in a pub over a pint. That's not war IMO that's murder. That's why I was always disgusted at Gerry Adams justifying everything as "It was war."

    Was war killing a mother and making her body vanish for instance? Was it pub bombings? Attacking civilians in London.

    Sure...I admire Bobby Sands convictions that led him to die of hunger but I can't condone his organisation.

    There were more effective, better and less destructive to citizens ways of conducting the troubles.

    That's why I never joined the PIRA. I would have no truck with outright murder.

    This romanticism you express for them disgusts me.

    With the Good Friday Agreement the Irish Island has been given an opportunity to heal. The Northern Irish people have the right to vote for reunification. Terrorism is unnecessary.

    What happened to the Irish is we healed. I myself risked taking a bullet for the Irish Republic but I didn't do it dismayed that my fellow Irishmen didn't follow my lead. I did it so they wouldn't have to.
     
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    Hi S&S.

    Thanks man. You know, in all my lives I've been a part of cruxifictions, mutilations, beheadings and so on but for some reason what happened in Croke Park on that day haunts me more than anything else. It puts blind horror in my eyes.

    The two young fellas, ten and eleven year old boys, were found to have turned around to look at their shooters as they were shot. That means that the shooters knew they were killing innocent children yet no one was brought to justice. It makes me weep as I wept that day.

    Your right, it was just murder. Yet I feel personally responsible for it as it was I, through the assassinations that day, that set the stage for blatant, unrestrained killing. I guess that's why it horrifies me. A young lady was buried the day of her planned wedding in her wedding dress, children died and such. Terrible. A hundred years and I still weep man...

    When I was a child in my current life my father would take me to Croke Park to watch the GAA games. I didn't like football but the excitement of the crowd, the joy of witnessing sport being played out and everyone united in seeing it was intoxicating. To think that kids, who climbed trees to watch a game or were in the care of their father's as I was, were brutally shot is very upsetting. Such things shouldn't be a part of a child's life.

    War is hell.
     
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    Jim,

    Just so you know, I was also disgusted by the terrorist acts I kept hearing about happening in Ireland. For some reason the one that still stands out in my memory was the assassination of Mountbatten. I just couldn't see the reason for this as I found him to be a rather heroic figure and thought the murder of him and other members of his family for nothing he had personally done was outrageous.

    Of course, this may have nothing to do with reality, but I took a solid dislike to the IRA at that point and kept it (and increased it) through the long years of murder that followed. I understand a bit better now the long oppression that preceded it, but still disdain the act and the others like it.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Hi Jim,

    there is a lot of suffering in this world, and we all got killed many times in the past. Some people may have heared of Holodomor and Gulags. And I dont quite remember the number of millions who were starved to death in those actions. Not to talk about the over 100 million abortions carried out world wide per year. They literally just tear one to pieces.

    I mean, we all die in so many horrible ways on this planet, you can't even tell - not to say be discusted by it.

    No, this world is obviously not healed. But I hope you get laid or something, and feel better.

    If somebody or a nation thinks they are, once and for all, done fighting evil and done with marthyrdom - well, then they are done, I belive.
     
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    Yes, I really agree with you. There are really many ways :(
     
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    Yes, but no; dont let it make you sad. Look at the beauty of sacrifice. And all the chances we have got, to make a difference in this world.
     
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    There may be many different ways that we can die, but there are many more ways to be grateful for having a life. Life is short indeed, so it's better to live our life to the fullest than worry about how it will end.
     
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    But can I ask how we could live life to the fullest if we happen to live:
    - in a totalitarian poitical dictature
    - in extream poverty in a slum
    - in modern poverty in a democratic free country in the West
    - as a disabled person
    - as a chronically severly ill person
    - as a persecuted person
    - as a hated and discriminated person
    - as an imprisoned person
    - as an extreamly traumatised and stressed person

    ?

    My point is that billions of people live under conditions that doesnt even aloud them to dream of spending their time having fun and doing interesting stuff.

    The main existential experience of the vast majority of people is that sometimes we experience some happieness, but most of the time we just have to hang in here, in theese bodies and lifes. Most of the time, life is someting we just need to hold out.

    And those people who want to "get the most out of life for their own sake", tend to be the worst egos. Such people are not sympathetic.
     
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