Poll: about your view of God

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Poll: about your view of God

  1. It is a man with white beard

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  2. It is a sexy woman a godess

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  3. It is a transcendental god, so it has no "looks"

    6 vote(s)
    42.9%
  4. There are many deities in my religion (so be more specific)

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    7.1%
  5. I do not believe in any god or higher power

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  6. I believe in Nature (or Universe) but that is.

    5 vote(s)
    35.7%
  1. AOSpare

    AOSpare Zos Kia Cultus

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    I assume that most folks here believe in some version of a higher power. There are two kind generally speaking - an external, anthropomorphic god or a transcendental god. The first one also called "personal god" and in out Judeo Christian world we are lead to believe that this is the one true god. The other more oblique transcendental god is not "outside of us" but truly within ALL that is and beyond. There are people on the fringe who still believe in godesses, multiple deities, minor and major ones.

    For me g-d is a principle, not a form or entity but infinity "personified". I believe that Nature, the Universe is finite but what is finite that is corruptible and perishable at the same time. Beyond our multiverses there is something we cannot fathom or understand. It has no sex (neither he or a she) - it does not interfere or drive Human affairs or smite nor punishes or loves us. It is just there, has no beginning nor end. Universes (or multiverses) come and go. The system is of balance of nature where physical, metaphysical laws apply. When we ascend we become one with this infinite g-d. (whether you think this is a good idea or not). I do not believe in Heaven or Hell. Existence such as this cannot be critiques or understood as we do not comprehend such a timeless existence as we cannot comprehend infinity. Anyway so much for my views. What is yours?
     
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    I think that the lord has created the world as a Natural Force that we may never know like what caused the big bang that created fire and gasses. The fire and gasses created rocks, gasses and minerals and through the mineral residue we evolved.


    The lord is a awesome lord who is patient and forgive no matter the wrongs we have committed or failed to do, he created us and brought us into this earth for a reason by means of life lessons from Astrology and/or Meditation.
     
  3. AOSpare

    AOSpare Zos Kia Cultus

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    Thanks for the post Twilight. It is interesting that how much we humans emphasize god's name that the ancients (Jews, Hindu's) were shunned from. What is in the name? Allah or Jehovah, or Vishnu? It is all supposed to be the same, isn't it? Was Jesus a g-d or was he the son of g-d? I do not buy any of that but it is a personal thing. I prefer the idea of "sun of god".


    Our interpretation and view is what is different.


    The reason why the Kaballah forbids using g-d's name because it was undesirable to try to interpret g-d for the reason I gave earlier. Of course what I am trying here by my post would have been a stone-able offense, in Biblical times. I use g-d as a reminder.

     
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    You're most welcome wine** it's all cool ^_^
     
  5. TheCuriousOne

    TheCuriousOne Always Searching...

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    I voted "Trandenscental God". I believe that nobody can really know what God looks like until after death. I've read many accounts of children remembering Heaven, and every one of them descibes God in a different way.


    Personally, I figure that God may be able to change His look depending on who/what you were when you died to make the whole process more comfortable. Example: If you were dark skinned, then God might appear dark skinned. If you were light skinned, God might appear light skinned. If you were a female, God might look female (a mother figure). If you were a male, God might look male (a father figure).
     
  6. AOSpare

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    How we perceive g-d in between reincarnations, after death? Indeed the image we use is what we envisioned while we were alive. For meditative practice, it is also beneficial to imagine what god would "look like" to us and meditate on that, then just let go....I always used fire as I was a one time student of Agni Yoga, and Agni means fire in Sanskrit but the Ocean, Sun, Moses would equally work.
     
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    I believe god can look to us however we want it to.
     
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    I went for believing in Nature, because that is what most closely describes how I tend to see things (Pantheist), that the Universe and 'God' are one-and-the-same, that Nature and Divinity are synonymous. The way I see it 'God' is the life force or energy behind, within and throughout the physical Universe, the infinite Light behind, within and throughout all things, from which everything comes and everything eventually returns. The term 'God' is our way of describing this infinite force of energy, the whole of the Universe, that which is greater than ourselves, a way of trying to comprehend it in a way that we can understand. In describing it this way though, I could have gone for a transcendental god also, the two ways of seeing have a lot of overlap.
     
  9. NirvanaGirl

    NirvanaGirl Light Up The Darkness

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    I beleive in one god. Who he may be to you is your choice, but i think he / she is one & the same 'person' form or whatever you may call it. Looks wise again i feel it will be whatever reasonates with each person, not even necesarily in human form, but once passed you'll know exactly who & what he is. I like to think he is ultimate love, the unconditional best feeling ever, and you know your home and with him :) )
     
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    I believe Humans are all incarnations of the Elhim(Great Mighty Ones).
    "The Elhim are the Assembly of El(Mighty One); El judges among the Elhim. How long will you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in foolishness: all the foundations of the earth are shaken. I have declared that all of you are Elhim, the children of Elyon. But you shall die as Edam(Humankind), and fall as but only princes. Wake up, Elhim judge the earth: for you shall have the possess of all the earth." said by El Elyon but recorded by King David, this is the Canaanite version of the Psalms 82
     
  11. Looking Backwards

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    Mostly, I think we can't really know.

    In a larger sense, I believe in something similar to the traditional Christian concept of Trinity, but not exactly spot on. I think God exists as both a sort of force of nature and as a true being. Sometimes I am inclined to believe that one Being is Jesus, who became such after Being born human, but I am not really sure. I don't think that one Being can control all, although sometimes things have happened that make me think intervention is possible. But it also might be the natural force that can either be drawn to making things happen for us, or making things happen against us. I think the natural force is really just nature, but that nature has a mystical component.


    So to keep it simpler... at heart, I have primarily Judeo-Christian beliefs, but I also believe that all faiths have some basis in truth, and I don't think it works exactly how Christianity has traditionally portrayed God. Mostly, I don't think we can really know for sure.
     
  12. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    As a Gnostic Christian, and perpetual seeker of God, defined as the best rules and laws to live by, I am closet to agnostics which the old translation tie to Gnosis, and we follow more the Buddhist saying that if you meet God on the road, kill him.

    Regards
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  13. Nikki B

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    This is a super fascinating topic! I honestly am not sure where I lie in this belief. My ideas about God are changing because of my experiences and my soul growth. I do believe in a all powerful God, but I think that organized religion is really confused about many things and most of it is story telling....the old testament is just a series of stories like folklore. The new testament seems like it has more to offer. That being said I don't believe in theological study or organized religion, I think there are soooo many things that we as mere mortals will not know the truth of until we reach the next plain of enlightenment. I do have a strong belief in reincarnation because I feel it in my soul and I know I have been here many times. I am a firm believer that I am here to experience soul growth so that I may advance in enlightenment and serve a higher purpose. I vibrate on a higher level than the average person and I am working to learn more about this, even though I don't really understand it all yet (if it is possible). I do think that if i desire something I can achieve it without a doubt, I have control over my spirit and it is quite powerful. Right now I am seeking information about reincarnation because I am being flooded with all kinds of experiences and would like to make some sense of them. Please, tell me where I fall into such a category. I am pretty loose in my interpretation, but I know there is good and evil! Please comment and enlighten me with your thoughts and opinions :) Nikki
     
  14. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    I cannot on reincarnation but can give you something to ponder on the evils we must do to evolve.

    Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

    It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

    1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

    This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

    If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

    God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

    This then begs the question.

    What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

    Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

    The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

    One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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    Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

    That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

    But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

    If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

    Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

    Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

    Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

    Consider.

    First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

    Evil then is only human to human.

    As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

    Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

    Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

    This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

    Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

    There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

    Regards
    DL

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    Evolutionary theology.

     
  15. Nikki B

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    I cannot on reincarnation but can give you something to ponder on the evils we must do to evolve.
    I do believe what you are saying here....

    Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

    It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

    1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

    This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

    If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Agreed

    Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

    God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

    This then begs the question.

    What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

    Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who. Sounds like a man to me.....

    The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

    One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men. I also agree

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    Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

    That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy." He's a Narcissist?

    But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem. Okay, I see your point

    If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. Absolutely! If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

    Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

    Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility. Is it? I never thought of it that way, but it does make sense.

    Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

    Consider.

    First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created. I don't think natural disasters are evil.....I think they were meant to be.

    Evil then is only human to human.

    As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

    Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times. I am not sure how to define that really. You mean that if I never sin I am cooperating? OF COURSE everyone sins.

    Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct. This is accurate.

    This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

    Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. I don't know what I believe anymore. I operate from my gut and I can't ignore those things that I experience which come from another place. I can't make sense of it, but I know that I don't like to be preached to from a book that has been written by men (not God). There is no archeological proof of some of the cities from the bible events (etc.), there are just so many holes. I can't trust all of it's teachings. I feel that there must be some truth to parts of it, but how do I know which parts? haha .

    There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition. Yes, that is inevitable!

    I guess I should add that I am experiencing many deep thoughts at this time and some are too much to handle because my spirit is fighting with my mind. I go with spirit because it makes me feel more complete and brings me a sense of joy that I can't reach using my intellect. I still say that we will never REALLY know the answers to any of these "questions" since its sources are at times questionable. This shall be a good place for me to explore my thoughts I guess. My intuition tells me to believe what I feel and what I am shown versus what I read. I am not saying it is right or wrong it is just how I feel. I will definitely read more about what it means to be an Gnostic Christian Naturalist. Thank you for your post :) Nikki


    Regards
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  16. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    Gnosis.



    Most of what the bible says meant to be read as allegory or from an esoteric POV.
    It is about what happens in your own mind. Almost none of it should be read literally.

    I do not see that as a good idea.

    What you see is insight, wisdom and Gnosis and mental treasures, so to speak. Here is what Gnostic Christianity has to say on that.

    Gnostic Jesus was questioned as to what sees the vision?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/mary.html

    The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...'

    For where the mind is, there is the treasure.

    Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    The treasure is in you and all you know enters you through your mind and consciousness.

    Answers can be known if the question speaks of reality.

    You mentioned looking into Gnostic Christianity.

    I suggest starting by naming your Goddess.

    Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

    You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

    The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

    In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

    That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

    Here is the real way Jesus taught.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.



    Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.



    The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    I can’t speak to most of this because right now I don’t have time to read it. What I don’t know that I like is the level of righteousness in what you say. I appreciate your thoughts and opinions and when I have time to read them completely maybe I will agree. However there is a sense of superiority and arrogance in all that you post. I don’t care for that because of what you say my thoughts are mine and my believes are mine to have. I feel like I’m being judged and that’s not something I think has a place here.

    I’ll definitely follow up as I am interested. Thank you again for taking the time to look at my message.

    Nikki
     
  18. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    My assertiveness, born from Gnosis and assuredness, does likely read as arrogance. When one thinks and speaks his mind, there is always the chance of insulting. I assume I am speaking to a mind equal to mine that can get past that.

    Have you ever seen two scientists speaking together, they often call each others ideas stupid but ignore it and end amicably. I find your early judgement premature.

    Regards
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    Not a believer in deity at this time. Nature yes - "Universe" yes - angels and guides, maybe. Deity, no.
     
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    The intelligent position.

    As a Gnostic Christian, I too favor nature. I have used the following analogy when speaking to the believers in a supernatural God. God to me is what most see as an ideal.

    The ideal God or guide for an ant, is an ant.
    The ideal God or guide for a lion, is a lion.
    The ideal God or guide for a man, is a man.

    To think otherwise, to me, is rather dumb.

    Regards
    DL
     

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