Preschooler's past life recall

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  1. Crescent1

    Crescent1 Senior Member

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    I’ve been absent from the forum for some time after having two children. I used to post on the old forum under a similar name, though who knows where those posts have gotten to! My oldest son is now almost 4. He’s a bright, loquacious boy with a pretty broad vocabulary for such a little guy. As my son became more fluent, I remained open to the possibility that he might begin to speak of past life memories, and alerted my husband (an agnostic when it comes to reincarnation) in case he heard anything from our son. I did want to pop back on to share a few stories with folks who are interested in anecdotal evidence of reincarnation (as I know I am). I am aware, of course, that it is common for children to spontaneously recollect past lives. In this case, my son recalls people and events without any associated distress, behavioral or sleep disturbances, or unusual phobias.

    Approximately one year ago, my son began speaking of people, places, and events that appear to be from another life. He first spoke of this life at bedtime one evening. I read him “Harold and the Purple Crayon.” This is a midcentury children’s classic. Our version is a very small boardbook. After we finished, he said that he had the book “before,” but that it was bigger and made of paper. He described a bookshelf in a yellow house with cats where “the father” lived, and a shelf full of toys for the cats. He was very animated during this recollection and spoke at length. He also mentioned that either he or the father drove a truck. I didn’t ask too many questions, although the way he was speaking immediately caught my attention. It did not seem to be a usual flight of imagination, more like he was describing something that actually happened. The only detail I doubt has to do with the truck, since he loves trucks and often incorporates them into his play.

    Every few days after that, he spoke of this past life, usually at bedtime or when driving in the car, but also during playtime. He speaks spontaneously and rarely answers simple, non-leading questions. His recollections are occasionally punctuated with the statement “when I was old” or “when I was bigger.” The main characters in his recollection are “the Father” and “my boy.” He once or twice mentioned “my boy and the girls.” I once asked if there was a mommy, and he pet my hair and said “she has brown hair like you.”

    Over the months, I’ve gleaned a fair amount of information about this lifetime. He told me that he was a painter (like a workman, not an artist.) He told me “I miss paining.” The father built a treehouse. The father had a beard, and when he “got very old” his hair turned “white and crinkly.”

    He speaks often of the yellow house, noting on one occasion that “my boy’s yellow house is so far away.” With respect to “the boy,” he’s said that “there were holly trees at my boy’s house, but a truck came and pulled them up. Now they’re all gone.” He said the father used to put out a skeleton for Halloween, but the boy was afraid of it. His boy used to use solder in a workshop. His boy had a big Christmas tree with lots of lights. He sadly noted, on one occasion, “I can’t go to my boy’s yellow house anymore.” Confusingly, he sometimes acted as though his boy lives in our neighborhood, almost as though he's jumbling up his memories and his current environment.

    He also talked about these memories with my husband, to the extent that my skeptical husband has become a bit of a believer. Apparently, my husband was explaining daylight savings and mentioned Chicago to my son. My son then offered: “My boy told me Chicago is dangerous. It’s a bad town.” My husband found this statement quite bizarre, both in substance and in the way my son spoke.

    It’s always apparent when he’s speaking of this life because of “my boy,” “the father,” and “the yellow house.” I still can’t determine the relationship between my son, the father, and “his” boy. I’ve also never been able to get a name or identifying features. After three or four months of regular recollections, his memories subsided for a time.

    Then, about six months later, he began speaking of different characters, specifically a girl named “Cynthia”. I couldn’t tell if these memories were related to the earlier ones or if they were connected to a different lifetime altogether. Since his language skills continue to improve, he was able to share more complex stories. He also seemed to distinguish a bit more clearly between his current life and his past life. For example, he often prefaced his more recent memories with “when I was older” or “when I was a big boy.” He has told me that Cynthia had a baby, but she didn’t have any of the equipment we use with our own baby. He wanted to give some of our baby’s old toys “to Cynthia because she needs it for her baby.” He tried to explain to me a game played with bales of hay.

    Another time, we were playing in the yard and apropos of nothing he told me: "“When I was older, when I was a big boy, I walked to school by myself and I saw a green wall with a green tree growing on it. I thought it was growing on the wall, but it was actually behind the wall. The wall was green and the tree was green.” For some reason, he thought this was very funny. He also mentioned Cynthia.

    One day, we had the most incredible conversation. He spontaneously told me that “Cynthia’s not a kid. She’s a grown up. I don’t know where her house is anymore. It’s far far away.” From our past conversations, I had the impression that he often remembered Cynthia as a little girl, so I asked if Cynthia grew up. He said, “She was a little girl, then she was a woman when she grew up. She got older and older and older. She got very old and sick. Then she was dead. Cynthia died. I was there. I was very sad. I don’t know if I can see her again.” I asked him why not. “She got buried,” he said, “She would be all yucky.”

    For the first time, he did seem to be a bit disturbed by his memories. Perhaps he had not remembered that the people in his memories were dead prior to this moment. Up to this point, I’d simply listened to his stories, expressed interest in hearing them, and very very occasionally attempted an open-ended question (he usually stopped talking if I asked questions, so generally I refrained and just let him say whatever he wanted to say.) Given his distress, I thought it appropriate to tell him that there was always a chance he would meet Cynthia again, but she wouldn’t be the same. She would be a new person with a new mommy and daddy, just like he was himself and lived in our family now. If he ever met her again, she would have a new body that wouldn’t be the same as the one that had been buried. This seemed to comfort him.

    After a few minutes of silence, he had more to say. He told me that he “was Cynthia’s daddy.” He told me he worked in a workshop. He also told me “you used to be small.” I asked if I was there when he was with Cynthia, but he said no. Since his recollection seemed so strong, I decided to push a little and ask him who “the father” was. He repeated that he was Cynthia’s daddy, but I still can’t tell if that’s the same person as “the father.” I asked who “his boy” was, and he said, “Well, I used to be a boy, then I got bigger. When I grew up I was a man.” It was wild stuff.

    After a few months of frequent memories involving Cynthia, he stopped talking about that life altogether. Interestingly, last week I mentioned that a plant had died, and he asked me what dead means. I found this a bit odd given our conversation months earlier about Cynthia. I explained how living things die, and my son found it quite surprising and upsetting to learn that people also die. This made me wonder if he's in a bit of an altered state when he recalls his past lives since he seems to have an understanding of concepts that he doesn't possess normally. I've heard that children be "trance-like" when they have their memories, but for some reason I expected him to at least remember what he said!

    I’ll be curious to see if we go through another few rounds of memories over the coming years. He’ll be turning 4 this autumn. Obviously I'm writing everything down and keeping my ears open. Everyone he spends time with is open-minded and knows how to handle potential memories without pushing. I'm just grateful that it seems to be part of a natural process and (so far) hasn't been associated with any significant trauma.

    One final sweet observation which may or may not be related to past lives: for the first six months or so after my baby was born, my older son greeted him each morning with the exclamation "[Name]! I'm so happy I found you!" An odd turn of phrase, but I'm not convinced it's past-life related. Regardless, it always brought a smile to my face.
     
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    Thank you for your update Crescent1.
     
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    I so enjoyed your wonderful post, Crescent1
     
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    Crescent1 Senior Member

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    Just wanted to post an update on my son's recollections. Ever since he was about 3, my son has put on little "performances" for us. He finds a table to stand on, says "Hi! My name is Joey!" and proceeds to serenade us. Of course, his name is not Joey, and the songs are...a little out of tune (to put it charitably). This is something he only does for me and his father--he's not generally much of a performer. It always used to crack us up because he came up with the name "Joey" out of thin air and he would put on a whole routine (improvised microphone, dance moves, patter between songs, the works.) We have no idea where this game came from, but we told our parents about it because it was so cute and silly.

    My son is now almost 5. He was recently driving with my father and he seemed to get into a bit of a thoughtful state. My dad asked him what he wants to be when he grows up. (By my dad's account) he said, "do you know something sad, Grandpa? I can't be a singer this time. I used to go to New York City and people would come and listen to me sing. I had a voice! Now I can't be a singer anymore and I really miss it." My dad was pretty flabbergasted. He didn't know what to say in the moment, but he told me about it as soon as he could since it struck him so strangely. In particular, the idiomatic phrase "had a voice" seemed peculiar and rather mature.

    I do wonder if this has to do with a past life and with the "Joey" game. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my son has "a voice" this time around--at least not yet! He's never expressed an interest in either singing or performing professionally to me, apart from the Joey stage routine. Just a small update, but I thought I'd share.
     
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    Thanks for the added story, it surely sounds like he was a performer in another lifetime. Davenie Johanna "Joey" Heatherton (born September 14, 1944)? Maybe she is still alive, although there is nothing about her since 1997.
     
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    Crescent1 Senior Member

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    Interesting, KenJ. For some reason, I never even considered that "Joey" could be a girl's name. It looks like Joey Heatherton is still alive (and quite a colorful character in her older age...) I was initially very excited by what I read of her. My son can be a bit of a drama queen--at almost 5, he sometimes says things that would sound more natural coming from a 14-year-old girl. Also, while doing the "Joey" routine one time, he did a very strange series of what can only be described as "pin-up poses" (leaning on arms with one leg kicked back, sitting with arms bent overhead, etc.) He was about 3.5 at the time. While I doubt he was Ms. Heatherton (discounting, for now, the possibility of simultaneous lives,) I will entertain myself with the possibility that he spent a past life as some sort of showgirl!
     
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    I have really enjoyed reading this story : )
     
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    Hi Crescent1. Thank you very much for sharing your story. It sounds like you are handling things well. You are articulate and observant narrative is very pleasing to read. I would suggest you maintain a journal of your observations and conversations. The journal would be good for you and your son, now, for processing the situation therapeutically, and later for when he is older and interested in the concept. I think you write beautifully and this certainly would be a benefit. Please let us know if you have any questions. Have you read Carol's books on children's past lives? They certainly would help you out if you haven't read them already. With kind regards, ~Tman
     
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    Hi Crescent,

    The name that popped into my mind was: Joey Bishop. He was a singer, comedian and acted in movies as well as being a member of the famous "Rat Pack" that included Dean Martin, Sinatra, etc.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Bishop

    Other famous Joeys can be checked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_(name)

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--You can check him out on Youtube.

    PPS--I am curious what would happen if you just happened to be playing some of his many videos on Youtube when your son came by.
     
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    Thank you all for the kind words and tips. I have read Carol's book and I am keeping a record of his statements. He's actually said many more things to me that seem to concern past lives, including a few isolated statements I'd almost forgotten until I went back to take a look at my notes. For example, our babysitter once overheard him and a friend quietly discussing the things they liked to do "when they were old women in Italy." I doubt he even knew what Italy was at time--he would have been about 3.5. Around age 3, he used to describe friends he knew and try to explain where they lived relative to "the yellow house"--I recorded the names "Keith" and "Vito"at the time (I don't think I even know anyone by those names, to say nothing of my son). There are many other examples.

    I will confess, I never did much research to try to determine who my son may have been, mostly because I have a sense that he's described at least two or three lives, and it's almost impossible to determine which tidbits pertain to which life. The life concerning "the father" and "the boy" has a strong American working-class vibe. I suppose if I was ever able to get a full name, I could track down official records, but otherwise I doubt there's much to be found. Indeed, I found it most compelling as evidence of reincarnation due to its very mundanity (this also jives with my own past life recollections, the overwhelming majority of which involve past lives as average individuals who would have never left much of a trace in the historical record). Likewise, my impression is that the life involving "Cynthia" (if it is a separate life) was also quite humble. It's possible that Joey could have been a singer of note...or a workaday performer of modest repute. Of course, I will continue to listen, but he speaks of these things less frequently now. I would love him to give me one last lucid burst so that, when I eventually give him my notes, he will have more to really grab onto. We'll see.
     
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    I think you have a great modest approach there, and one day your kid(s) will thank you for it, and for keeping those notes, too, which one day may be invaluable to your son. I wish my parents had done the same, apparently I used to sing a lot to myself about 'made up' songs -- but just imagine if my parents had written any of those songs down -- I'd be very grateful. Those were pre-internet days though, and my family never took what I said (or sang) seriously.
     
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