Proof That Reincarnation is Biblical

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    SeaAndSky Senior Registered

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    Hi Base12:

    As to Post 19 -- You will not be banned here for talking about reincarnation. There is a list of rules that you should read, but really the most important ones are: (1) don't get political; (2) don't preach (as opposed to discuss); and (3) keep it kid friendly. Kid friendly means stay nice and avoid "adult" language and graphic descriptions involving sex/violence/etc. There are also some topics that are discouraged to varying degrees, such as PLs on other planets, but you will get guidance and warnings before you're banned and it would have to be pretty blatant and repeated stuff to get hammered. So, I think you can relax and enjoy yourself.

    As to Post 20 -- I lost you at "If Christ had children . . . ." But I will look at it again to see if I can follow your reasoning. I think I understand where you are going with this, but I don't think I agree.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    I forgot to mention something very important...

    Jonah and the Whale.

    The children's version of the story is what most are familiar with. A man gets thrown into the sea, is swallowed by a whale, then is vomited onto land.

    The adult interpretation, I believe, has to do with reincarnation. Let's take a look...

    Jonah 1:15
    "So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging"


    The sea in this case can be looked at as the Lake of Fire. Jonah is representative of one who is thrown in.

    Next...

    Jonah 1:17
    "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"


    As I mentioned previously, those thrown into the Lake of Fire pass through it. They go to an entity called Moloch which I believe is representative of the womb of reincarnation. A new mom so to speak.

    Likewise, we see Jonah in the 'belly' of a whale. The whale represents the womb of the new mother. Jonah represents the male seed or perhaps the child inside.

    Here is where things get interesting...

    Jonah 2:2
    "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice"


    Hell is being likened to a Belly.

    Let's try Young's again...

    Jonah 2:2 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "And he saith: I called, because of my distress, to Jehovah, And He doth answer me, From the belly of sheol I have cried, Thou hast heard my voice"


    Is sheol really just the grave or is there more to the story? The answer is in the word 'Belly'...

    Strong's 990: Beten
    Definition: belly, body, womb


    "From an unused root probably meaning to be hollow; the belly, especially the womb; also the bosom or body of anything -- belly, body, + as they be born, + within, womb"

    Belly is translated as Womb many times in the Bible...

    https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_990.htm

    Thus, Jonah was in the 'Womb of Hell'.

    And although Jonah was in a whale, look what he says...

    Jonah 2:6
    "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God"


    Now we are back to the Lowest Parts of the Earth where babies are made...

    Psalms 139:15
    "My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"


    And if that wasn't enough, look at this verse...

    Matthew 12:40
    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"


    Again we have the whale's belly being compared to the Heart of the Earth.

    Think of a baby inside the mother. If the womb is the Earth, then the Heart of the Earth is the heart of the baby.

    Jesus went into the hearts of the babies to preach to them in the womb to give them gifts of prophecy etc.

    1 Peter 3:19
    "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"


    Jonah mentioned Earth with her 'bars'... prison bars.

    Ironically, sermons about Jonah and the Whale are often titled 'God of Second Chances'... reincarnation...

     
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    Thanks Sea and Sky. I plan on commenting more on your list tonight or tomorrow.

    I don't believe Christ had children. That would be very unBiblical. However, speaking theoretically of course, if he did I believe they would be the same as described in Genesis. The Mighty Men of Renown.

    Some folks with big egos claim to be a descendant like in that movie Da Vinci Code. I don't believe them.
     
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    Hi Base12,

    You're going too fast for me. You may have been thinking and working on these ideas for a while, but for me this is all very recent, and there is a lot of conceptual readjustment that needs to take place. However, having said that, I still think you may be engaged in some over-reach. The Womb/Tomb (or heart of the earth/womb and birth) connections seem clear, but fire language in the Bible brings in other issues (persecution/purification) as does prison language and a variety of other passages you are bringing into the equation.

    I will need to go slower as I seek to assimilate and apply the base concept. However, my initial impression is that you are making the mistake summarized in the old adage: When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I think you have discovered a very, very fine tool (the "hammer") and am also eager to explore all of its possibilities. However, I am not sure that it can be usefully applied in as many contexts as you now seek to apply it. I may come to your conclusion with time, but for the moment I'm still considering.

    In any case, feel free to keep moving forward with your thoughts and posts. I will catch up in due course. But it may take me a while to evaluate and comment. So, hang in there, and I will try to give more meaningful comment when I get the chance.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Something I should mention here is that my research tends to focus mainly on rare or never before explored areas of Bible Study. Not only do I feel that there is no need to post information that is readily available with a quick web search, but I just don't have the time. Linking Vesta with the Eternal Flame is a good example of something that hardly anyone knows about. With a bit of research however, the connections may be found...

    A Hebrew and English Lexicon, Without Points - John Parkhurst - 1823

    https://archive.org/details/hebrewenglishlex00parkuoft/page/569

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    But for the sake of those not familiar with the Bible, I will post some common info...

    When it comes to context regarding foreign gods and goddesses, the entire Bible is the context. There are numerous references to other gods and goddesses in the Bible. The Authors were very well aware of them as idol worship was not only a big problem at the time, but one of the most important themes of Christianity...

    Acts 19:27
    "So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth"

    1 Kings 11:33
    "Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father"

    Acts 28:4 (NIV)
    When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, "This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, the goddess Justice has not allowed him to live."

    2 Chronicles 31:1 (NIV)
    "When all this had ended, the Israelites who were there went out to the towns of Judah, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. They destroyed the high places and the altars throughout Judah and Benjamin and in Ephraim and Manasseh. After they had destroyed all of them, the Israelites returned to their own towns and to their own property"


    The most blatant, modern day example of goddess worship has to do with the worshiping of Mary as the "Queen of Heaven". Queen of Heaven is a very well known title for Hathor and for Isis...

    Jeremiah 7:18
    "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger"


    Most researchers agree that the worship of Mary is comparable to the worship of Isis. A quick image search reveals how prevalent it is. Queen of Heaven is also the title for Mystery Babylon... the great Earth Mother...

    Revelation 17:5
    "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH"


    By the way...

    The Bible teaches that *WE* the Human Race are the 'Harlots and Abominations' she gives birth to. Most Christians will never admit to this as they are full of pride and ego. In other words, it is Mystery Babylon that ultimately represents the Lake of Fire and the path to reincarnation.

    The Bible also teaches that our Earthly Father is the Devil...

    John 8:44
    "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it"


    The above verse is literal and applies to all Human Beings. Again, only those that have humbled themselves and studied the Bible with an honest heart will see it.

    One need look no further than the story of Adam and Eve and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil to understand. The Forbidden Fruit has everything in the world to do with reincarnation. I plan on going into great detail on what the Forbidden Fruit is. Prepare to be shocked... lol.

    Let's just say that Hathor (Mystery Babylon) is the Lady of the Sycamore Fig Tree and assisting in Rebirth was one of her specialties. The Serpent... aka... the Devil was her 'partner' so to speak. The Human Race is their offspring via the mechanism of reincarnation called 'Mystery of Iniquity', by eating and drinking her... (to be continued).

    Mystery of Iniquity is one of the Biblical terms for reincarnation...

    2 Thessalonians 2:7
    "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way"


    2 Thessalonians 2:7 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "for the secret of the lawlessness doth already work, only he who is keeping down now will hinder -- till he may be out of the way"


    Note that there is a 'He' that is holding something back. This 'Restrainer' as it is sometimes called, is the mechanism by which our past and or future life memories are 'erased' (for the most part). Because most Christians don't believe in reincarnation, they have no idea in the world who the Restrainer is and what it means. One day this 'memory wipe algorithm' will be turned off and both children and adults will begin to remember the past and future with vivid detail...

    Acts 2:17
    "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams"


    Also... the Holy Ghost is NOT the restrainer that is taken away from people (as is usually taught), it is in fact poured out as the verse clearly states.

    Anyhow, since the Isralites spent many years in Egypt, they were very familiar with who Hathor was. Some researchers believe that Mount Sinai, where Moses recieved the Ten Commandments, was none other than Serabit el-Khadim or the Temple of Hathor...

    "In her book A History of Sinai, Lina Eckenstein theorized that Serabit el-Khadim was the historical site of Mt. Sinai where Moses received the 10 commandments. This theory comes in no small part to the site containing a temple of Hathor which is believed to be the Golden Calf idol constructed by the Hebrews while Moses was on the mountain top"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serabit_el-Khadim

    I happen to agree with the above. In fact, the plans for the Tabernacle in the Wilderness were received at Mt Sinai, thus I believe the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is linked to Hathor and our very own Cell Biology...

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    We are built according to the Temple of Hathor. Our bodies are the Temple...

    1 Corinthians 6:19
    "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"


    I know... too much information. Sorry.

    :D

    Even Hollywood depicts the Golden Calf as Hathor...

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    One final note on Hathor and reincarnation...

    The Bible describes two Mothers:

    1) Sarah
    2) Hagar

    Sarah represents the Heavenly Mother and something called New Jerusalem...

    Galatians 4:26
    "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all"


    New Jerusalem is the Heavenly Womb by which the saved are Born Again into a new immortal body.

    Hagar represents the Earthly Mother, the Earthly Womb and reincarnation...

    Galatians 4:25
    "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children"


    She also represents Mount Sinai and the Temple of Hathor. In fact the name Agar can be linked to Hathor, but I don't have time for that now.

    Hagar is the 'Egyptian Woman'...

    Genesis 16:1
    "Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar"


    For some reason, the Bible keeps linking Hagar with Egypt...

    Genesis 21:9
    "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking"


    I believe this is done to make crystal clear that Hagar represents Hathor and Isis as well as Mt Sinai and the earthly ways of the Old Testament. She represents the Law. She represents Bondage. She represents the cycle of rebirth and reincarnation. She represents being a Prisoner on this planet.

    "...the earth with her bars was about me for ever..."

    :(
     
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    I should probably mention that Hestia, who is synonymous with Vesta, is the sister of Hades...

    "She was the eldest daughter of the Titans Rhea and Cronus, and sister to Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter, Hera, and Hades"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hestia

    Hades of course is thrown into the Lake of Fire...

    Revelation 20:14 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death"


    Hestia's Family Tree includes Apollo, who some say is the Apollyon of Revelation...

    Revelation 9:11 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "and they have over them a king -- the messenger of the abyss -- a name is to him in Hebrew, Abaddon, and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon"

    Also worth mentioning is that Hestia is the eldest daughter of Cronus, which is synonymous with Saturn.

    This leads us back to the Saitic Isis, who claims the same birth-rite...

    “I am Isis, Queen of this country. I was instructed by Mercury. No one can destroy the laws which I have established. I am the eldest daughter of Saturn, most ancient of the Gods”
     
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    Hi Base12,

    I was not familiar with the title "Saitic" Isis (which connects the well known goddess to a particular Egyptian city and, I assume, cult). The reference led me very quickly to Higgins and "Anacalypsis". This work in turn dates to the same era as the Parkhurst Lexicon you previously cited.

    Higgins was a person looking for common threads leading back to a single origin in terms of religion. This is OK by me, but leads me to suspect that you are drawing from a particular stream of thought in terms of some or much of what you have introduced. (Obviously Vegi-Tales and Hollywood's version of the Golden Calf post-date this--but I'm OK with both of those as well). However, if you are drawing from particular sources related to a particular stream of scholarship and thought, I would appreciate references to specific chapters/sections of the works in question so that I can (hopefully) read them online. That will help me to better understand where you are coming from and the bases of the concepts put forth.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    My research covers a lot of ground and reincarnation is but a small part of it. If I were to sum it all up, this is all basically just a hobby of mine to link Science and Biology with Scripture. It's just something I find fascinating and so I like to share what I find with others with the hopes that it will help us all discover Truth one day.

    The Tabernacle vs. Cell Biology graphics are a typical example of what I've uncovered over the years.

    I'm not sure what kind of schools of thought I can relate any of this to. Maybe Apologetics?

    All I do is read the Bible until I see something that relates to Science, Technology and Biology and I document it for others to look into. They are often highly theoretical, so a lot of it is new and not found on the web or in books etc.

    As an Engineer, I can see that the Bible is written much like a set of Blueprints and Bills of Materials. One of my skills is 'Reverse Engineering', which is what I spend most of my time doing with the ancient texts.

    I've uncovered a LOT of highly advanced information that has been 'encoded' into Scripture. This information has no business being in a book that old, other than to prove that there is an intelligence far superior to ours and to give us a basic outline of how the bodies of the Saved will be constructed.

    It even gets down to the Quantum Particle scale. The High Priest's Breastplate represents the Twelve Particles of Matter in the Standard Model...

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    The Holy Trinity or Godhead was always meant to Illuminate Mankind by teaching us about the generic construct of the Atom, but the world remains in ignorance...

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    BTW... this is what Ezekiel was given a vision of. Atomic Construct and how it operates...

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    The Four Living Creatures are the Four Forces of Nature.

    What's really astonishing is that there is even Genetic Code embedded within the Bible's pages. In fact, my User Name reflects this fact. This Genetic Code is comprised of twelve unique Nucleobases. We Humans only have four... Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine and Thymine. Five if we count Uracil. My suspicion is that the Bible is showing us what the Glorified Body 'upgrade' will look like so we can make an educated decision as to whether we want that or not for our next incarnation.

    It's funny...

    A previous poster was wondering why bother discussing all of this. Well, if anyone wants to take a 'sneak peak' at what this Angelic DNA consists of, the Bible is the place to look!

    I'm still treading lightly here as I'm so used to folks freaking out over the topics I bring up in other forums. Cognitive Dissonance is a real thing and something I encounter constantly.

    Perhaps I should just tell everyone how I came to believe that reincarnation is Biblical.

    I Reversed Engineered it.:D

    After spending months linking the Tabernacle in the Wilderness with Eukaryotic Cell Biology, I began to notice the 'blueprints' I mentioned earlier.

    For example: The Ark of the Covenant is the Nucleolus of the Cell. The Cherubim are DNA. Many Pastors teach that Lucifer was one or both of those Cherubim...

    Ezekiel 28:14
    "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire"


    Lucifer is another name for Phosphorus, which forms the Serpent Strands of our DNA. The Stones of Fire are another reference to Phosphorus. Lucifer was decorated with Precious Stones...

    Ezekiel 28:13
    "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created"


    I learned that the Precious Stones were Nucleobases. As we can see in the above verse, Lucifer had several more Nucleobases than our four, making him much more advanced genetically.

    When I tried to teach people about how the Bible was predicting that Mankind would someday create new letters to the Genetic Code, they of course laughed and mocked me. :mad:

    Years later, Scientists began to create life forms with more than four Nucleobases...

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    I started getting emails from people thinking I was Elijah... haha!

    Anyhow, it was this next verse that I finally realized what I was looking at...

    Isaiah 14:15
    "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit"

    Isaiah 14:15 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "Only -- unto Sheol thou art brought down, Unto the sides of the pit"


    I already knew that the Pit meant the Womb, but why was Lucifer, a picture of DNA, being put there?

    REINCARNATION!

    Lucifer/DNA/Seed going to the Pit was a picture of Conception.

    The Bible was describing how Lucifer was going to be reincarnated again. A Fundamental Christian such as myself would call this reincarnated being The AntiChrist.

    I later concluded that this same mechanism applied for all of Human Life. The 'Sides of the Pit' are the ovaries. This is where the Seed/DNA went.

    When I began researching the above subject matter, I ran into Alchemy. I now know that many Alchemical paintings and artwork reflect this Biblical reincarnation mechanism, but with a twist...

    They more or less depict attempts at coming back from the dead with a form of Glorified Body by the work of their own hands. In other words, Man saving Man without a Savior. I'm sure you are familiar with this concept. It's called "The Great Work". Apparently they will be successful one day... soon.

    Not only did the Ancient Alchemists see the same Genetic Blueprints that I'm seeing, they were actually able to illustrate some of it long before DNA was even discovered!!!

    One of the most blatant examples of this can be seen in the following image called "Hermetic Triumph", which comes straight out the Bible...

    https://archive.org/details/b30774627/page/n2?q=Hermetic+Triumph

    Be sure and use the Zoom tool to see the finer details.

    Here is a smaller version...

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    Note that every symbol in the above image can be traced to a verse in the Bible.

    For example:

    Serpents = Lucifer
    Hills = Sides of the Pit
    Paths = Crooked Paths
    Sun/Moon = Father/Mother
    Triangle = Sulphur i.e. Brimstone
    Constellations = Mazzaroth
    Arch = Vault of Heaven
    Crowns = Kings/Royalty/Power etc.


    and of course...

    The Lake and Fire Portal/Tunnel = Lake of Fire

    These symbols then match Human Anatomy. Specifically, the Womb.

    In other words, the Hermetic Triumph depicts a Womb at the Moment of Conception...

    Serpents = RNA/DNA (Seed)
    Hills/Sides of the Pit = Ovaries

    Crooked Paths = Fallopian Tubes
    Sun/Moon = Father/Mother
    Constellations/Mazzaroth = Birth Month (Set to Taurus/Hathor)
    Lake = Amniotic Sac
    Fire Tunnel = Mouth of the Womb


    Notice the connections to this verse...

    Proverbs 30:16 (Douay-Rheims Bible)
    "Hell, and the mouth of the womb, and the earth which is not satisfied with water: and the fire never saith: It is enough"


    So imagine my shock when I came across that artwork after all of the previous research I already had under my belt. It pretty much confirmed everything I suspected.

    Now how did that information get encoded into a book thousands of years old?

    And how do I explain all of this to a Christian without being stoned to death?

    Now THAT would be a "Great Work"... LOL! :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi Base12,

    I am a patent attorney (physics undergrad), so I have often worked with engineers over the years. Hence, we are rooted, so to speak, in the same ground. From that standpoint, I approach the Bible as the data set, with the understanding that theology (though claims are made to inspiration) is a theoretical construct based on the available data. It is not the data, but a way of understanding/approaching the data. From that standpoint, it is a "tradition of men" and not entitled to the same type of adherence as the scripture (data) itself. It is, likewise, subject to challenge and change just like physical theories are subject to challenge and change to better fit the data.

    Reformed and always reforming was, at one time, the motto of the Reformation. However, in practice it actually means (for most that I know) that little tweaks around the edges might be possible, but don't touch anything major. Hence, Protestantism, after adopting some initial doctrinal changes, has become as set in its ways as the ossified Church it reacted against. The only changes seem to come from Theological liberals, who are more interested in ditching scripture where it doesn't suit their "enlightened" viewpoint than doing the hard work of reworking theology within the letter of scripture.

    I'm not interested in smashing a stained glass window here, nor in destroying almost 2000 years of careful work by dedicated and sincere theologians. However, it is clear to me that Christian eschatology took a wrong turn very early on (otherwise I wouldn't be on this board). In any case, I am not surprised to see a variety of things come out of scripture of the type you have mentioned in other subject areas. However, my primary interest at this point is in Eschatology and reincarnation within a Christian context. Some of the other things you have brought up also are of great interest, but might be better covered in new threads dedicated to what is disclosed.

    Thanks for the additions on the eschatological front! And, I will look into the rest more thoroughly in due course.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Thanks for commenting Sea and Sky.

    While we are on the subject of Alchemy and how it relates to reincarnation and the Lake of Fire, I wanted to share one of my favorite Alchemy images...

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    It is called the 'Hand of the Philosopher' or 'Hand of Mysteries'...

    http://atrightanglestoreality.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hand-of-philosophers-by-john-isaac.html

    It basically has the same theme as Hermetic Triumph, complete with the Lake of Fire, but drawn in a very different way. Again, it's a picture of Biblical reincarnation told via symbolism. Gnostics would see this as Apotheosis.

    The link above provides clues and partial interpretations by the original artist.

    For example...

    The Fish

    "The sixth secret sign is the FISH.. It stands in the middle of the Hand and signifies Mercury, for without Mercury or the fish, nothing can be done, He is the beginning, the middle and the end, and he is the priest who must marry everything. And he is the male and the seed; he is the water out of which all metals have originated; and he is the principal (factor) of all Arts, and the greatest of all secrets"

    So, according to the author...

    *) The Fish is Mercury
    *) It is also the Male Seed (DNA)

    The Biblical counterpart would be Jonah as Mercury inside the belly of the Great Fish...

    Jonah 1:17
    "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"


    The Palm

    "The seventh sign of the philosophers is FIRE. By this Sulphur is indicated. It is the earth and beginning of all metals. It is the female who brings forth the fruit. For no seed can grow unless it be first thrown into fertile soil. Then beautiful fruit will come from it"

    So, according to the author...

    *) The Lake in the Palm burns with Fire and Sulphur
    *) This 'Lake of Fire' is also the Earth
    *) At the same time it is the Female who brings forth Fruit
    *) In other words, the Lake of Fire is a portal to the Womb and reincarnation

    The Biblical counterpart would be of course the Lake of Fire burning with Sulphur...

    Revelation 21:8 (English Standard Version)
    "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death”


    Thus, Jonah is the Mercury (Caduceus) which is the DNA/Seed placed in the Lake of Fire (Amniotic Sac) inside the Earth (Womb).

    The Fish could also be looked at as the Fascinus that manifests with Vesta. I'll let you folks work out the finer details... lol. :p

    If we look at the rest of the symbols on the Hand of the Philosopher, we can link those to Revelation as well.

    We have a Star and a Key to the Bottomless Pit...

    Revelation 9:1
    "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit"


    We have a Crown for perhaps a King...

    Revelation 9:11
    "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon"


    Etc. etc.

    Note that the book this came from is called 'The Book of Seven Seals'...

    Revelation 5:5
    "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof"
     
  11. Base12

    Base12 Active Member

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    Post #12 dealt with the Bottomless Pit in Revelation. I also see this as the Underworld and Abyss.

    Here is another verse linking the Pit to a Woman...

    Proverbs 23:27 (Young's Literal Translation)
    "For a harlot is a deep ditch, And a strange woman is a strait pit"

    I've spent a lot of time looking into the physics of the Bottomless Pit... specifically what life is like before conception, before we enter the womb.

    From what I see being described in the Bible, the Bottomless Pit is another way of saying 2D or Two Dimensions. It neither has a top, nor does it have a bottom. Top and Bottom are 3D or Three Dimensional constructs.

    We exist in 3D (or 4D if we add time). Thus, a world of 2D would be 'beneath' us, hence the 'Underworld'. It is the world of the Flatlanders...



    Conversely, New Jerusalem is built 'Foursquare', which is a picture of a Tesseract. In other words, New Jerusalem is the Spiritual Womb leading to Higher Dimensions for those looking for a more 'advanced' future incarnation...

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    We are but a 2D 'Shadow' of higher dimensions...

    Hebrews 8:5
    "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount"


    Remember that the Bible teaches that our bodies are the Tabernacle. We started life as a single cell at the moment of conception...

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    Again, we are but a 2D 'shadow' of the higher dimensional Heavenly Body called New Jerusalem.

    BTW... just like Earthly Women have a 'monthly cycle', She, New Jerusalem, has a monthly cycle as well...

    Revelation 22:2
    "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations"


    Those 'fruit' are the Spiritual Ovums in which the saved partake to become Born Again. The Tree of Life is Sarah who is the opposite of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil... aka... Hagar the Egyptian Woman (Hathor).

    The Two Trees in the Garden of Eden are Two Woman in which we choose to be birthed from. We chose Hagar to be born here. Born of the Law. Born under bondage.

    When we chose to be born of the Earthly Mother, we all partook of the Forbidden Fruit which was the ovum of our Mothers.

    Yes... The Bible has a way of telling stories that we Adults must learn to comprehend.

    ;)

    Another reference to a world of 2D is this verse...

    Genesis 1:2
    "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"


    'Without form and void' is another way of saying 2D or perhaps even 1D or 0D for that matter.

    The 'Waters' that God moved upon was the original 'Plane of Existence' before 3D came into being, not the physical waters or oceans on Earth as we know. 3D was created much later in the Genesis account.

    Here is another reference to this 2D plane of existence...

    Revelation 6:14
    "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places"


    When a Scroll is laid flat, it represents a 2D concept. It is information (words) on a surface or Plane.

    Those that understand M-Theory can relate to this illustration...

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    The above is an illustration of the Abyss, The Deep, Chaos and the world of 2D in which we all existed before birth.

    The Bible describes this existence as sleep...

    Psalms 13:3
    "Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death"


    In other words, Sleep = Dreaming.

    The 2D Underworld is where dreams happen.

    Thus, in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, we see two types of 'Sleep' or 'Dream States' each person was having...



    Abraham's Bosom = Peaceful Dream
    Torments = Nightmare


    Just a reminder of what I said earlier in this thread, I believe that Lazarus and the Rich Man is a picture of a Beggar who saw his past life as the Rich Man and paid his Karmic Debt.

    Likewise, Sarah is looking at her past life as Hagar. They are the two trees in Eden.

    Yes, Jerusalem aka... Mystery Babylon... is resurrected and saved to become New Jerusalem!

    We can't have a New Jerusalem without and Old Jerusalem now can we?

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    One of the most blatant and obvious examples of reincarnation in the Bible comes from Jesus Himself...

    Matthew 17:12
    "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them"


    Who was this Elias fellow that came already?

    Matthew 17:13
    "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist"

    So according to Jesus, John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elias.

    He says it again...

    Matthew 11:14
    "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"


    Notice Jesus basically says "I know it's hard to believe, but...".

    Here Jesus is asking his very own Disciples who everyone thinks He is the reincarnation of...

    Mark 8:27
    "And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Cæsarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am?"


    Now why would Jesus ask such a heretical question if reincarnation was not True?

    Look at their answers...

    Mark 8:28
    "And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets"


    Some say you are the reincarnation of John the Baptist.

    Others say you are the reincarnation of Elias.

    Still others say you are the reincarnation of one of the Prophets.

    Now did Jesus rebuke them for such blasphemy? Of course not!

    He even asked the disciples themselves who they though he was the reincarnation of...

    Mark 8:29
    "And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ"


    It's unreal how much evidence there is, and yet the Church lies and hides this from everyone. They teach people that John the Baptist was merely 'role playing' and was just an 'actor' playing the part of Elijah. They will say things like "John was Elijah in a 'spiritual' sense, not in a 'literal' sense". In other words, what they are really teaching is that Jesus lied.

    The following video is one of the best I have found so far in support of reincarnation in the Bible...

     
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    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    Hi Base12,

    Since you are science based and are excited about the connections, possibilities and implications of the Bible as it relates to reincarnation, I have to ask. Have you read the books by Gregg Braden? Have you researched other religions to find the common thread that runs through them? KenJ is talking about the thread titled Dogma Bites Man in the Science section. It is a chapter about Christianity and the Bible out of her book.

    Also check out

    The God Code & DNA - my post # 4 . I have a lot of posts about Gregg Bradens work floating about. ENJOY!
     
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    Base12 Active Member

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    Hi Deborah, it's an honor to meet you. Thank you for allowing me to post my thoughts on the forum.

    I used to listen to Gregg on Coast to Coast when his God Code book came out. He was one of the researchers that got me interested in DNA as it relates to Prophecy. I haven't read his books though.

    I have researched other religions and have seen the connections. I know why they are there.

    I took another look at Dogma Bites Man and found it very interesting. I think I'll make a few comments in there.

    Cheers! :)
     

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