Recieving information from a source

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  1. John Tat

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    Hi Native Son and Ken... First of all I think you have drawn some conclusions that are not completely accurate.. Yes I did say I was 16 before I had a complete understanding of the memory but I wasn't saying that is a standard I believed should be for everyone... If you do not have first hand experiences of how this all happens its difficult to draw accurate conclusions from what you read about the experiences of others.. you really do need to have lived the experience to have a proper understanding.. I'm sure you would both agree with that... That's why you could never really understand the problem and what it feels like of having these memories and not understanding them.. Something I have talked about before and I think its very relative to this discussion...I have memories gong back to when I was around three years old maybe even earlier ... I would say to my parents in general conversation .. remember when we were... someplace and remember when we went outside did and did this.. My mother especially would say... I cannot believe you remember that... I doubt you would have been three years old when we did that.. I can remember in vivid detail being being pushed along in my stroller and being memorialized by a thread of cotton waving in the breeze right in front of me hanging from the the hood that was shading me ... maybe I was three but that is the oldest..I can remember being really pissed when my mother would load up the stroller with shopping and made it uncomfortable for me I have many memories of that happening.. I have many such memories of a being a very young child.. This is also why I have real understandings of not understanding things around me... We had a dog called Pete.. I remember him well.. he was never dog to me he was this thing that ran around who made me laugh and I liked being with him.. he made me happy.. I understood who Pete was but a dog no.. That's why I said a young child cannot really comprehend who is parents really are... that was my first hand experience... so this not comprehending and understanding objects and things goes far deeper with me than just the memory.. My experiences tells me a young child cannot escape the restrictions of an undeveloped human brain.. its impossible.. Yes I'm sure some do develop quicker than others but we need to be realistic.. we are talking the real world here... not science fiction where the impossible happens.. Children do have previous incarnation memories I have experienced that.. all I'm saying is we need to be very careful of what to believe and what not to believe especially about how they are interrupted.
     
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    I cannot speak for KenJ, but for myself I can tell you that it's not a matter of having drawn some wrong conclusions. Because when we, specifically, apply our own opinions as the standard, the results will always be a misunderstanding on others' part when they don't agree. It's the old problem of subjectivity. Not that there are never any exceptions, but rarely can we see ourselves as others see us. And since my previous posts addressing you on this thread were, in a nutshell, that we all need to be careful on what we should believe, we agree there. Only that I included ourselves as sources to be cafeful on, meaning our own perceptions and experiences should be even more scrutinized than others'. And early childhood memories of this current lifetime are very common for all, but not early chilhood memories of a previous life, as this latter is very rare. And the proof of its rarity is rather obvious. But you seem to be too concerned with the physical aspect of the brain and the scientific data, as it addresses counsciouness, as memories are nonphysical, if they are related to a previous life. But not current life memories, which can be attributed to the physical brain, and which everyone will agree to that. However if memories of a previous life can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt, it stands to reason that memories are not a physical part of the current-life brain, therefore indipendent of the brain at any stage of its physical development. Perhaps there is an easy explanation for this apparent shortfall that you have pointed out, but what could that be?

    We ask, why the child's memory is incomplete for its previous life? Why did we not have the young James fly a similar WW2 plane, besides describing it? That surely would have made quite a few belivers in reincarnation, right? Boy! would we love such knock your socks off type of proof, right? And if only the reincarnation of Plato's soul would manifest in a young child today, and lead us to pinpoint the great Atlantis, then we would not need anyone to write trilogies or anything else, would we?
     
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    John, I agree with what you are saying about critical thinking, that is what both Native Son and I are talking about. You have more early memories than I do, my memories prior to four-years-old are of only two or three things that I now recall seventy-six years later, none of which are applicable to the topic of reincarnation.

    We are all "victims" of early influences in shaping our beliefs, that is the object of groups wrestling for control of the "education" system in the USA at this time, in my opinion anyway. None of us are immune to this form of influence, that is why the things that are related by the Leiningers is so interesting to me, young James did so many things that demonstrate the connection to the "other world" that help me to weigh the probability of one version of reality compared to another. Another example of what young James did was to name his three GI-Joes the names, complete with characteristics, of James Huston's friends that predeceased him and reportedly met/welcomed him after he died. Those are the kinds of things that are beyond the realm of childhood influences that I am interested in finding.

    Because of the things said in this thread, and other experiences of course, I have weighed and re-weighed the evidence pointing to various versions of "reality" from all of this simply being imagination or fantasy, through tapping a universal Consciousness (Carl Jung et al), spirit obsession (Churches [primarily Catholic I think] and Wickland's writings), Remembered lives from observation/instruction while in spirit form (Dolores Cannon et al), reincarnation (most folks here and my influences like Edgar Cayce et al), to shared memories from related Aspects of a common Over-Soul (Guy Needler et al). The only thing that my early experiences have on this is my firm belief in my essence being something that entered my body and at one point was free to vacate it and have a "life" of its own.

    The problem is that even the details of young James Leininger's story do not eliminate any of the possibilities I mentioned except perhaps the first one (fantasy/imagination). I am tempted to think that my inability to pin it down further is because it would somehow spoil the test that I am taking with this lifetime. Sometimes (actually, quite often) I wish to have experiences that would help me to eliminate some of those other possibilities, but then I fear that I would only then start being a promoter of some dogma that would get in the way of another person as well as my own.

    Edit: Native Son posted while I was composing this.
     
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    Hi Ken,

    As you may have noted, I have been spending less and less time on the board. This is largely because of the realization that there are numerous other explanations for much of what is touted as past life memories outside of the more facile and dismissive materialistic ones. Likewise, there are other approaches to "soul" evolution that make as much and perhaps even more sense to me as reincarnation. Consequently, I'm looking into a variety of other possibilities and really appreciate the openness to alternate explanations in your last post. There may be more in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in the materialist philosophy, but there is also more than is dreamed of by most folks seeking to "shoehorn" everything into a fairly strict reincarnationist paradigm.

    In the present case, I have long had concern that John was not in contact with his innermost self, but with an earthbound spirit obsessing his innermost self. That doesn't mean that many of these memories are not real, but that they are not all "his". As you know from Wickland and others, this is quite possible. However, this remains a very interesting case. There seems to be something "big" going on around and involving John. This is not merely another case of a "lost" soul obsessing a random victim. BB has seemingly been hanging around for millenia, as has John's source. Then there is the "lady in red" and the "Sungods" and plans to restore what was lost in Egypt. There is a big cast here, and I'll be darned if I know exactly what is going on. However, I remain concerned that John is merely a pawn on someone else's chess board, and that the things that are happening may ultimately work to his detriment.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--I don't see how everything fits together at the moment, but I do see some examples that I cannot explain as anything other than reincarnation, such as the case study in "Only Love is Real" by Weiss. That people can obtain "first person" memories from various sources seems to be very clear. But I cannot explain the counter-point of intermeshing memories existing in the couple described in that book in any other way than by reincarnation.
     
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    Good to see you posting again S&S, also glad that the storms did no major damage to your property. Like you, I recently had a smack-down after reading Dr. Wicklands book of nearly a hundred years ago. If I didn't respect Cayce so much I'd hold the reincarnation concept in a lower position in my thoughts. Have you read Wickland's book Thirty Years Among the Dead? It really made me question some of the views that I held close.

    It is interesting that you should post just now as I just watched this video that expresses my thinking about religion and the Church that I thought you might appreciate.

    And, I share your thinking and concerns about John.
     
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    Hi Ken,

    I think I understand what you mean by a "smack-down" in this context. I have read several excerpts from "Thirty Years Among the Dead", and also read my way through thousands of pages of classic spiritualist literature over the last few months as well as skimming some of the stuff in Wickland's "Gateway of Understanding" book. Basically, Wickland and the rest are pretty much all on the same page, and give very similar accounts of the afterlife and the way the whole process works. So, I can say that I am fairly knowledgeable at this point about the only paradigm that I know of that stands as a viable (and perhaps more than viable) alternative to what I am referring to as reincarnationism. I suppose I should be happier, as the alternative is easier to blend together with my basic Judeo-Christian Universalist worldview and scriptural context. However, I actually find myself somewhat deflated for reasons I can't quite pin down.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--I'll check out your link. Thanks.
     
  7. John Tat

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    Hi S&S Good to hear from you.. May I suggest why you may be feeling somewhat deflated...The same as so many of this forum you are searching for the truth from... here.. there.. and everywhere not only that you are restricted from where you can go by your religious beliefs... no wonder you feel somewhat deflated.. you want to know the truth but the more you search the more confused you become
    As I said to a young girl on the forum awhile back when she was searching for the truth... All of the truths you are searching for are within your spiritual self...he has seen it all .. you ... your spiritual self already knows the truth... S&S the physical entity desperately wants to know the truth .. the only way I know that can happen is if you develop strong techniques of meditation and contact your spiritual self.... Forget about searching here there and everywhere As I said before I'm not sure what techniques and/or standards you and others who are avid students of this use to choose what to believe and what not to believe... as I said its more than likely you all choose what best suits your own beliefs... not exactly the right approach

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    Hi Native Son As you know I have trouble understanding complicated writings... so I do have some problems understanding some of the things you write about... sorry for that... In your post you said...it stands to reason past life memories are not part of the current life physical brain therefore they are independent of the physical brain at any stage of its development
    The only explanation I can think off if that is correct is...You believe its possible that a young child who has these memories is in some ways possessed by something that can have direct influence on the child and its brain... and the child's speech is also controlled by what the child is possessed by...as I said I have difficulty understanding things so I may be wrong... if I am wrong what other explanation is there for what you said?

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    Hi John,

    That's a good guess and a topic you have brought up before. However, it's not correct in this case. The real reason is something that I have basically dissed in the past to some degree or another when other people have brought it up, either because I thought rebirth was inevitable or that their focus on the next life evidenced a more . . . hmm . . . earthbound attitude I suppose. Now I find that the attitude I dissed was always mine, I just didn't have to go there because I thought reincarnation was inevitable. The truth is that I want to come back. When it comes down to it, I really want another shot at earthly life, a "do-over", a chance to be, see and do the things that I didn't in this life. Actually, when push comes to shove, I find that I am like DO and a variety of other folks. Despite the risks of things being worse on another go-round, I actually wanted to try it another time, and maybe "get it right". I dunno. There's a lot of confused feelings there, but you get the picture.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  10. Native Son

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    What exactly is "complicated" writing to you? Give a good example or two! I need to understand what you mean by it, if I'm to measure my words when communicating with you. For example, if we were discussing math, and I was writing to you about quadratic equations, you would respond that you did not understand me because when I tried to explain the rules/formulas about quadratic equations, you stated that it was complicated, but did not further define "complicated." In this example I need to understand your level of understanding in math, in general. Do you understand the basics like, addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division? Do you understand fractions and how to apply the rules of the 4 previously mentioned basic operation to them, as well as whole numbers? Do you understand square roots? Do you understand geometry? Do you understand vectors, negative numbers, and the x-y coordinates? Do you know how to plot points on the x-y graph, which are the visual results of a quadratic operation? Do you understand algebra, trigonometry, calculus, abstract math, etc?

    Although with writing and reading the distinction is not as clear as with math, when it comes to establishing levels of "complicated", because knowing the letters, just like knowing numbers, what one can do with letters is entirely a different process than easily establishing and branching them in a particular field distinct from any other, as in math. If your idea of complicated writing is not understanding the definition of words, it's one thing, but if you do not understand the ideas that the words, together in a group, and inline with the grammatical rules, are attempting to communicate to you, than it is altogether another thing. Again, if you do not understand what a bicycle is and does, then it is unreasonable that someone discusses motorcycles with you. Again, someone attempting to teach you how to run, before teaching you how to stand first, and how to walk next, is not a good source for you, to be teaching you the complicated secrets of an afterlife/forelife, and how they relate to this very physical, and perhaps even more complicated, earthly life.
     
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    Hi S&S I understand and can relate to everything you talked about...I'm sure many of this forum want another "crack" at trying to not so much getting it right... but doing it better...I don't think any of us knows what doing it right really means.. In my opinion you can only have control or some form of control over next time is by establishing a close relationship with your spiritual self who will return... make no mistake you your spiritual self will return... My understanding of this is its complete madness not to at least try to establish a relationship with yourself if you want to improve next time....BB ... my spiritual self gives you some concerns... Yours and Ken belief he or my source are earth bound spirits is not right.. it could not be more wrong As you know he comes from pre history Egypt and had many incarnations into Egypt.. He is not earth bound but I believe he has the ability to return and occupy another physical entity when he choose's .. I skill he learnt during his incarnations into Egypt..So in that respect you are half way right when you think he is earth bound.. As you know next time is very important to BB

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    Hi Native Son on the maths you talked about all I understand is addition... subtraction... multiplication and division... I can work a calculator with my knowledge of those things that gets me by
    On this tread when you were talking about doctors patients hysterical behavior doctors slapping me on so on I had no clue what you were talking about
    In post #522 The sentence beginning.. Not that there any exceptions and ending should even be more scrutinized by others.. confused me... I sort of understood but not really if that makes any sense
    When you first joined as always with a new member I'm interested to see what you have to say.. I had no real clue what you were talking about in any of those posts...When I saw you talking about Socrates
    I wondered what that was... so I googled what is Socrates and then I discovered he was a person
    I hope that has helped

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    Hi John, Native Son's cerebral way of communication is indeed difficult to decipher at times yet he gives good examples of what is being discussed and on several levels. Take, for instance, his admired philosopher Socrates who claimed that reincarnation was real because of a series of cerebral gymnastics (mental manipulation of his observations with the tools of his knowledge) which was essentially a series of cycles and dichotomies (opposites) without including things that obviously do not repeat (like Nibiru colliding with Earth) or things that presumably have no beginning or end like the soul itself. As to what he spoke about being smacked by a Doctor, if I recall correctly, was just that we need to rise above the old reasoning that we are use to using and think about it in other ways - often this requires some strong stimulus like being "smacked up side the head". This last part is what both S&S and I have had happen this year, something has distracted us from our usual way of arranging our view of "reality" (it does not offer comfort to do this however, which is why we all of us are reluctant to do it I suppose).

    Using the Leiningers again as an example, James' father believed that reincarnation was a crazy idea and spent a lot of time and effort to "prove" that what his young son was saying was just his imagination. It was difficult for him to lift his vision of "reality" out of what was comfortable for him. However, even with all of the things that were discovered and the things that young James said, there are othjer ways of explaining it than reincarnation. Even though I am more comfortable with reincarnation than obsessing spirits, either explanation would explain the evidence that was in the book, or has been expressed by anyone on this forum for that matter. What is the difference between those that are so sure that they know what is real and James' Dad?
     
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    I was merely giving an example by using math as a subject, just to understand how to understand you and the relative term, complicated. I was not prying in knowing how well you get along with your math skills. The same basis was my using a simile of the doctor and the slapping of an hysterical patient, the point being that an hysterical patient was likened to someone who is not in touch with reality. At least the reality most common to what the world, in general observes. And the doctor slapping the patient, signifies the point at which the good doctor has to use drastic and unusual methods, a slap, because all of the known traditional methods in the medical field were exhausted, and the hysterical patient is at a point that by the persisting hysteria, the patient may cause himself unnecessary harm from the loss of touch of reality. In short, all our subjective experiences, real or only perceived, are subject to self-delusion, wishful thinking, and physiological disturbances of all kinds. Therefore, objective observations from objective sources are required to determine just how manifestly true are our subjective experiences, and this is the slap, in the simile. Because what you, and I, and some of the others here have expressed, in regards to our personal experiences with what the general public refers to as, supernatural phenomenon, is outside the reality that we can all agree on, and which is the reality of the five physical senses.

    But still, John, although now I understand what complicated would be to you as far as math, please try to give me the same with what you define as "complicated" writing, besides telling me what you do not understand in my writing. My own writing is at times not even understood by me, so do not let bother you, or make you feel not up to the task. The reason for my own non understanding of what I write, is because I too have an internal/external source driving me, and unconsciously I write down what my source wants, as my hands and mind are taken over by the "spiritual" source, much like Edgar Cayce was, if you know about Cayce, as he too was a man. Now, unlike you, I do not perceive that this spirit driving me, and educating me too at the same time, has anything to do with the physical me, or the soul within my physical body, nor what you define as your spiritual self. And therefore, you can see that my subjective information source is not the same type as your subjective source, and which means that both you and I have different sources. Your source is mostly ancient Egyptian, from the little that I have been able to understand from your posts, and mine is mostly ancient Greek, with a touch of a little Italian Renaissance. So we both need a slap here. However, I have already received several slaps by many formidable physicians, but I'm still hysterical, because my source is such a persistent entity, and will not quit until it has made me fully knowledgeable of the truth of reality, or as it informed me recently, willing to drive me complete mad in the process. And believe me, I'm already standing on that threshold, with one foot in and one foot out of the nearest asylum. And if I was not such a good homeopathic amateur physician, I would have gone completely mad already. And please, do not make me completely responsible for what my source dictates and makes me say and do, at times. Because, like you, in this particular, my source comes and goes as it pleases, whether I meditate or not. And is OM the word you use when mediating? I have tried it, but I don't quite understand how it works, even though I do get results at times. But perhaps my source did not want to give me the too complicated form of meditating just yet, and the only thing my source pointed out to me was music. Which I believe some here use it with success in entering a deep level of meditation.

    And I hope you understand music better than my writing, as this perhaps may help you understand about my source and the reference I was to have used for meditation purposes. Now, I will tell you that this was a long time ago for me too, as I'm only less than a decade your age, and my personal experiences with my source goes back to when I was just one year old, if my slight Alzheimer disease is not effecting my long term memories. And by long term I mean those of my previous lives, it is intended.

     
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    That is very interesting, I had all of those desires when I was young, had all kinds of accomplishments early in life, and have learned a few things from fairly large bumps in the road - at this point I have few desires that I feel need fulfilled. I've seen the problems created by too much beauty, money, intelligence, power, poverty, health, disease, and other characteristics and felt-needs. I was impressed by statements made by some members of this forum years ago who suggested that we reincarnate to have "fun" or get away for a "vacation" or the like and considered that to be a real possibility, but to think that I'd do any better with another try, to me, is just wishful thinking - I'd probably simply repeat most of the stupid things I've done in this lifetime.

    I guess that I'm content in being blessed with having "enough" of most everything in this lifetime. Perhaps the the "major" thing that I still feel that I lack understanding about is Love, not that I havn't felt and received it, quite the contrary, it's the abundance of it and the unlikely sources that have impressed me. I've learned about forgiveness, outlived all the people who have caused me distress (and unfortunately a lot of friends), not that I've reached perfection, more like "simply existing" too much at this point. Maybe it would be nice to come back after the wounds of all of the hatred and violence have healed, but to live again with this strife is not at all appealing.
     
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    You, KenJ, utter wise words, indeed! And life is surely a game...one hell of a game for some! But you never have to fear, you understand things. God is always with us, and He made us all immortal. Therefore what is the worst that can happen to any of us, die? Never a chance for that, otherwise these are not wise words. What wise words? These following, of course! Excerpt from Plato's Republic dialogue.

     
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    Hi I'm not sure who has read my post #508 that explains things about me and the problems I have..Native Son talks about a source and a soul (spirit) just as I have.. I'm not sure and there is no way of knowing who's source and who's spirit is more advanced than the other.. but on some levels its extremely important especially the level of controlling reincarnation
    Also having the abilities of communicating with the physical entity and what level that is ... the abilities of educating the physical entity in the ways of the spirit.. the journey we are on is the opposite to what everyone believes ..Its all about the spiritual becoming physical not the physical becoming spiritual...If you are a christian which I am not then I'm not sure when your god said "he made us in his image"... could be fully discounted he did not mean physical... the original sun gods who came from the light of the second sun to the tribes of the Nile were physical gods... they were not aliens they were born to mothers from the east and the south

    PS Native Son.... I'm interested in your reply to my question in post#528... It's important to how I understand how you perceive these things
     
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    But don't see how difficult that can be, if you do not understand me, nor the complicated writing of others? Tell me and make me understand just what in heaven, or on earth is complicated writing?

    But I can easily see that you misunderstand more than you do not comprehend. And you have misunderstood me to be a Christian....May Jesus forbid such a thing for me. Also I can hardly accept that my source is anything like yours, because I belive tbat my source has done a better job of training me better in understanding complicated writing. Mind you, I'm not an expert at it, but it would appear that, if you are not pulling my leg, or I yours, that my source is more advanced than yours in this respect. However when it comes to spiritual lessons, your guess is as good as mine as to which of our sources is more advanced, spiritually. But I can assure you that my source is eternal, but your source may be more advanced, it it were possible. And God only knows that much. But my source also feels that math, in general, and I'm including all those branches I mentioned before, and also astronomy, music, and gymnastics are those fields that have to be understood and utilized by my body and soul, before it will teach me any of tbe spirutual stuff .

    Also, since I have not seen you before, neither body or soul, nor your spiritual self, I cannot say if you too were made in His image. But I do know that He is not just my God, although He is my Father, but I understand Him to be your God too. But I could be wrong, as I may not understand complicated writing, as well as I think I do.

    Now to me, complicated writing is usually what is written by God, but rewritten by man who do not understand God's natural handwriting. Therefore, I'm a loss understanding any and religious writing. This is, in a nutshell, my understanding of complicated writing, which I have trouble understanding.

    Do you understand what I want to understand from you about what you understand to be complicated writing, even if yo do not understand complicated writing? Hopefully this is not complicated writing for you, to understand what I want from you. But if it is, than I will still understand, but indirectly, what is complicated writing for you. I once saw the writing on a wall of a cave, and after many years, or us it many lifetimes, I finally understood it, once I recognized my own handwriting. Do you understand me? And it does not matter who the source is, what really matters is the truth. And when it comes to truth, all is fair in love and war, and all is well that ends well......etc. And understand this; truth is not subjective, it's totally objective. And I object, in general, on anything that is subjective, unless it us my own subjectivity.
     
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    Hi Native Son... complicated writing to me is as it has always been since I was at school.. if a read something and I don't understand what it is saying then its complicated to me learning at school from books was complicated if I did not understand what being written.. I cannot give you a check list of how it happens it just happens with complicate writings.. It is a combination of words I do not understand and the order the words are put in...My mind puts things in a different order that's why when I write things I need to go back over it and put it in its proper order.. For reasons I do not understand its not such I big problem when I speak,,, but I'm well used to people asking me "what do you say" then I have to think about how I will put it.. This could also be the reason I have no real understanding of maths.. You are an interesting person obviously of high intellect... I get the feeling (but I may be wrong) you are out of your depth with the spiritual side of things and the understandings of it. I search as best I can through what you write and I don't see anything that is not already known.. On another thread I asked you to share with all of us some of your spiritual experiences and what you learnt from them.. A basic question to those who post on this forum... but you didn't reply.. I'm very interested in why you may think children who have previous incarnation memories may be possessed or something like that... because you believe that where there previous incarnation memories come from are independent from the physical brain.. Your answer to that should be a good indication of where you are at in a spiritual sense
    I cannot debate you on an intellectual level of what is already known and out there.. But I believe I can debate you on a spiritual level...As I said you are an interesting man Native Son

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  20. Native Son

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    John.....you have understood some only. It's correct that, mostly, I discuss what is already known; I'm not an original thinker. However, you have incorrectly tagged me as an intellectual. But then, what is an intellectual? And you are also making a mistake if you think I'm here to debate, either you or any other. What is the purpose of debating? To prove something, I think. Without appearing to be proselytizing, only the one and only creator can prove anything, because to prove anything it has to be 100%. Anything less is not real proof. And as one real intellectual giant was always exclaming; only God knows!

    And I had previously posted why I was not going to openly share my personal "spiritual" experiences. But I have been giving some camouflaged tab bits here and there in my posts.

    Now, you have also misunderstood me in regards to children recollecting bits and pieces of their previous lives. I was not wanting to say as you think. These children are not possessed by external spirits, nor are their memories given to them by these spirits. The memories from any possible previous lives must be implanted in the soul, if souls exist. It follows that the physical brain does not preserve any previous lives memories, since it dicomposes at death, along with the other parts of the body. Therefore, if a previous life memory can be shown to be genuine and not implanted in the children's physical brain by their parents, or another person, as you suggested, then we have a very hign degree of probability that there is such a thing as reincarnation. And that there is also such a thing as a soul that retains these memories, if the soul is the real essence of a person, and that the soul takes on many different bodies, or possibly an infinite number of them, if the soul is really immortal, and we also agree that immortal equals eternal.

    And judging from your explanation of complicated writing, if I may suggest something. It sounds to me like you have some sort of a dyslectic issue when it comes to reading, but apparently not so when it comes to verbal speech. But perhaps it would explain your mistaking me for an intellectual, or even making me out to be a Christian, or even an interesting person. None of which I am. You must be the intellectual, at least when it comes to spirituality, and you are obviously willing to debate on it, to prove it. To prove that your source is more advanced than mine. I believe that is how you put it, dislectically, or not.

    http://dyslexia.yale.edu/Stu_whatisdyslexia.html
     

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