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  1. SeaAndSky

    SeaAndSky Senior Registered

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    Hi Ken,

    I really like your post above. It mirrors many of the things I have found in my research. The ancient meaning of various words used in NT Greek have shifted (or been "shifted" either deliberately or by clumsy mistranslation) to something that would have been unrecognizable IMO to their original authors. With this, there came some very radical misunderstandings of the messages being conveyed. Years ago, after I had become a very thorough Calvinist, I realized I could no longer read the Bible without seeing it through the grid of my thoroughly inculcated theological paradigm. (This same affliction is common from what I can tell, and not just in re Christians and/or in re theology). It then took me years to try to break the grip of that particular way of looking at things so that I could look at scripture in a new way. However, even here I am continuing to struggle with understanding the implications of what was really being said. I can say, however, that it seems to me that despite what appear to be some pretty gross misunderstandings and egregious dualist/gnostic errors in a variety of areas, the ancient Cathars were probably more-or-less on point in terms of the overall nature of the "salvation" being promoted in scripture, as were the theological descendants of Origen (though I'm not so certain about Origen himself). Since you like to read interesting books, a very good summary of some of the things I am finding to be true in terms of scripture was written up by a Rev. Katsunoff in the last century: https://www.levir.com.br/theosophy/ReincBible.htm. This is only about 50 pages long and is also available for download as a pdf on the web at multiple sites. Like most books there is some "filler" to wade through, but I found it very worth the effort. BTW--Like you, I recognize that it is a tangled path and a very difficult task. But I believe it is extremely worthwhile! ALSO, I think it is cool that you get that "deja vu" reaction to some of the things that John says. No tingle of ancient memories for me. If I go back that far, I don't think it was in Ancient Egypt. Nonetheless, I continue to find what John conveys very interesting.

    Hi John,

    I envy you your no-pressure opportunity to talk to these two clergy-men. I'd definitely like to find some guys like that I could interact with outside of the types of environments and expectations that tend to confine the nature of conversation to the strictly orthodox and conventional. Frankly, I'd have a lot of ideas to discuss. As always, looking forward to what you have to share next!

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  2. John Tat

    John Tat Senior Registered

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    I wanted to post about my memories of slaves in Ancient Egypt.. whether we.. Ancient Egyptians had slaves or not
    Different to others on this forum many (not all) of my memories are not complete memories... they are bits and pieces.. as I have described them before many are just small snapshots..As I have also said before.. I have no clues who the physical entities were I was occupying when the memories were recorded.. I don't even know if they are from one incarnation or from many incarnations I had into Ancient Egypt.. they are not in any sort of order.. they are completely random.. they are just memories
    With a complex subject such as slaves in Ancient Egypt I now understand the memories I do have cannot be taken as an accurate account. On the other hand individual memories are accurate and are interesting
    I remember talking to I think the council about workers walking away from major projects.. after being sent there to work on them.. I now understand we kept no records... in fact it was impossible for us to keep records on each and every worker .. who they were and where they had come from.. so they could walk away whenever they wanted... there were no roll calls to see who was there and who wasn't
    that's not exactly slavery...They would leave properly because they did not like the work they were doing and would go and work someplace else... The best way to keep them on these projects was to give them greater rewards for there work than they could get someplace else.. All workers were treated the same.. Egyptians and those who came from other lands.. there was no discrimination.. many workers came from other lands for a better life in Egypt.. to call those workers slaves to manipulate points of views is wrong
    I have no memories of individual groups (communities) of workers.. This memory is important with the writings of the Israelite's in Egypt I know it appears that I'm always looking for ways to discriminate
    against the Jewish and Christian religions.. but I'n not... all I'm doing is talking about how I remember things were way back then..
    There is no physical proof of any exodus from Egypt
    Why? Probably because there never was one
    Lets look at things from the reality of how I remember things were.. Many communities including the Israelite's live in Egypt for many generations.. so lets just talk about the Israelite"s even though it also applies to the other communities..but as I said I have no memories of people living in communities.. its just a term I'm using..over these many generations they became Egyptians.. most prayed to Egyptian gods .. there probably wasn't many "pure blood" Israelite's left after generations of of mingling.. marrying and having children to Egyptians and other communities..so why would they leave?.. Egypt was there home and had been for many generations... if there was an exodus I don't know who left..they had become a part of Egyptians and Egypt.. after so many generations they were Egyptians not Israelite's none of it adds up especially when you consider who would have to have left to be part of the exodus.. Egyptians would never have left Egypt for a god they did not believe in
    I have memories of being in foreign lands and watching with pride as some people from those lands begged our military to take them back to Egypt.. to a better life..Ancient Egypt had fabulous wealth so its reasonable to assume our workers were much better off than those in some other lands.. its also possible that these people taken back to Egypt as workers at there own request later on could be interpreted as slaves
    The easiest way for a worker to improve there living standards was to give themselves up to work for those of wealth and privilege.. voluntary and again not exactly slavery
    The following is interesting to me.. it's my conclusions from numerous memories
    Facts were not always important to us... keeping the quid pro quo was....quid pro quo was both a very powerful and influential force in Ancient Egypt.. that is never talked about or more likely not know about
    There is plenty more I could talk about.. that,s enough for now its difficult for me to write it down so its makes some sense.. so I can only do a little at any one time
     
  3. KenJ

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    John, I have no personal knowledge about slavery in Egypt, but I do know something about human behavior. I thought that this link might be of interest to you.
     
  4. John Tat

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    Hi Ken Yes that is an interesting link.. As it said it all depends on what you call slaves I was surprised at how little evidence there was that we.. Ancient Egyptians had salves.. The numbers talked about are very low..It talked about some of those found guilty of criminal acts being forced into some form of slavery.. that is hardly surprising.. not much different to today.. Prisoners of wars being forced into some form of forced labor (slavery).. again not much different today.. but as I talked about many people wanted to come to Ancient Egypt from other placers for a better life style.. and later on they could have been looked upon as slaves... As I said the link was talking about a very small number of people.. if this is all there is about slaves in Ancient Egypt from thousands of years of Ancient Egyptian history then it adds up to almost nothing
    What I was trying to pass on from being there... being an eye witness .. (not the theories and notions of partisan scholars).... I was telling as best as I could how it really was ... not defending the occasional bad acts that did occur...

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  5. John Tat

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    I'm putting together just one more post on slaves in Ancient Egypt..One of the important facts about all of this we.. Ancient Egyptians had no word for slaves.. So how did all of this talk and speculation begin that we talked about slaves.. that is obviously impossible because we had no such word.. The experts and scholars talk gibberish about the word servant... that we had a word.. servant.. and from that word they have perceptions that when we talked about servants we actually meant slaves.. That is perception as is not backed up by any facts.. there problems do not end there.. that the word they thought meant servant may not even mean servant.. so its likely they have nothing.. Nobody can possibly know what I know from being there.. My next post will have some more memories of what I actually witnessed and most goes against the written history of slavery in Ancient Egypt
     
  6. John Tat

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    I'm not good at doing long posts.. so this is the first of three on this subject
    I believe its important to bring some sanity into that has been both written and talked about slavery in Ancient Egypt
    To begin with lets look at what the word slavery-- slaves is defined as
    Collins online...A civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls life liberty and fortube
    Oxford online...A person who works very hard without proper remuneration and appreciation
    So the problems begin in defining who were slaves in Ancient Egypt and who are slaves today
    I believe its important to compare as best I can from my memories of being there of slavery in Ancient Egypt and similar situations today and how the scholars have defined slavery in Ancient Egypt through there own perceptions and bias
    Its only through these comparisons can there be any logical conclusions made about slavery in Ancient Egypt
    As I said I/BB my spiritual self are not defending the bad actions of some
    Also as I have said before its important to keep in mind that we had no word for slaves.. but we did have a word for servants.. which can be challenged.. but that's another story
    Its also important to keep in mind that we kept no records of who workers were and where they came from
    So lets assume that the word servant is accurate.. At the very best its nothing but guess work for the scholars and experts to decide when we wrote servants that they would decide when we meant servants and when we meant slaves... So lets talk about a couple of things that are claimed is proof we had slaves and compare them to day
    Its claimed at it is true that we did list some servants as assets .. lets compare that to today...
    Most business's admit there greatest asset are there workers.. those who work for them
    It's claimed we sold slaves..I have no memories of slave markets.. I don't think there were any.. so who sold servants and how were they sold?
    Yes we did sell servants.. they were sold on a regular bases... all the time.. I have memories of how and why they were sold.. I off course do not remember them all .. I will give one example which gives a good insight to how and why it happened
    Lets say you were a person of wealth and privilege and you went to another persons place of the same social standing.. and you were served food while you were there... and the food you were served was excellent.. much better than was being prepared for you at your place.. you could ask your friend.. what would you require from me to allow your servant to come and work for me... and between you you would negotiate a deal.. and the servant goes and works for you.. The fact that it was a business deal cannot be hidden.. As far as the experts and scholars are concerned that servants statues changed from servant to slave after the transaction... The thing is.. none of the servants rights changed... they were still rewarded for there work (probably more as a reward) .. they came and went as they did before and there connections to there family and friends remained the same... nothing changed except who they were working for
    Lets compare that to today....When a business is being sold all of the assets of that business including the worker asset are examined by the people buying the business.. Nobody would argue that the value of the worker asset in not a serious consideration when the price the business is to be sold for is being negotiated..After a price is agreed upon the business is sold to its new owners ..assets are sold along with the worker asset... Workers are sold today at a level never seen before
    Everyday sports people are sold from one team to another
    In almost all cases whether they were in Ancient Egypt or today most people after they have been sold to new owners there circumstances remain the same.. The only thing that did and still does happen is wondering how your new owner/owners will treat you
    I will continue in a week or so
     
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    Hi John,

    Why are you so interested in speaking to the topic of slavery (or lack of slavery) in Ancient Egypt? I don't disagree with anything you have said, and obviously, you are perfectly entitled to do so if you wish. But with all of the truly amazing and interesting things about Ancient Egypt that you could discuss, this seems way down the list of available topics. I can't speak for anyone else, but with the information you have to share on so many interesting topics, this definitely seems like a fairly dull sideline. Once again, I'm not meaning to disrespect you, its just that I truly believe you have far more engaging subjects in your memories.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  8. John Tat

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    Hi S&S .. BB my spiritual self wants me to talk about slaves in Ancient Egypt... The way things have evolved... painting a picture of slavery in Ancient Egypt that gives a false impression of how it really was really pisses BB off..He/we are trying to bring some reality to how it really was.. the best way to do that is to compare situations back then to equivalent situations today everything is relative to the times we live in..The way things have been twisted and misrepresented to suit narratives and peoples bias's is really bad.. I wonder about and question the ethics and motives of the so called experts and scholars .. not only about slavery in Ancient Egypt but also the history of Ancient Egypt
    You want memories.. I get more and more all the time.. most I will never share .. they have nothing to do with anyone.. they are Egyptian memories
    The following I will share... I have memories of leading men.. around 200 on missions into foreign lands.. there is one I have a clearer memory off than some of the others.. As I have said they are not complete memories.. I don't remember everything that happened but I do remember some important parts.
    I'm not sure which land I went to..that's probably not important.. Different to what you see in movies .. big battles involving thousands of men were rare.. very rare.. Around 200 was a realistic number to take to a foreign land to fly the flag and to send messages not to mess with us... I remember feeling excited.. like going on a hunting trip and anticipating there will be plenty of game to hunt
    That is basically what we did.. we hunted out groups who we knew were there who were stirring up trouble against us.. These groups snuck into Egypt and would do us damage.. so we went to there land seeking them out.. When we went to another land there were no rules...We would kill anyone we came across just because they were there.. if they had with them food and water that was a bonus .. I know that sounds bad but that's how it was
    It was hard dirty work.. we could go days sometimes a week or two without finding any of these groups.. Sometimes we found them and sometimes they found us
    When the fighting began.. I had my ways of doing things.. If we came across o group of around 50.. I would send in around 70 of my men to tackle them.. I never sent all of them at any one time
    After my men had killed around 40 of them I would call them off.. I wanted the others to go back and tell there leader what we had done.. it was good when this happened these groups carried plenty of food and water with them.. Those I allowed to live I told them to get on there knees in front of me and thank Egypt for the mercy I had shown them.. then I would kill one of them to make my point of what could have happened to them... I always carefully examined the weapons we took from them.. there weapons would tell me plenty about the group and who made the weapons and where they came from.. that was extremely valuable information
    Sometimes some of them asked me to take them back to Egypt with us.. If they looked like good fighters I would tell them if they proved they were worthy of Egypt they could. That meant they had to kill there own people when we fought them.. This was good because they replaced those men who had been killed
    I tried to stay away from villages and encampments..When I went there the men would rape the women and pillage there belongings.. On the other hand if we had been away from Egypt for sometime and the men were getting restless I would take them to a village and allow them to do what they wanted Also there were times it was necessary for me to go to villages .. there was always plenty of food stored in them ..feeding 200 men took a lot of food.. they never went hungry I saw to that.. the food we could not gather ourselves we took from the people
    All of the men kept count of how many they had killed .. it was a competition of sorts I invented this tactic.. it became a tactic that was used by all leaders who took men on missions such as this
    It made then eager to kill.. I used this tactic to keep there minds on the job over long periods of being away from home.. a competition that kept there minds on the job and to kill s many as they could was important.. The winner the man who killed more than anyone else I rewarded him with substantial rewards when we got home.. that was what they all wanted to win .
    Going home was always difficult.. by then the word had spread we were there and they knew the route we would take to go home.. well there were several options and they covered each option
    That's enough rambling

    Regards
     
  9. KenJ

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    John, that is very interesting and understandable; quite detailed memories. I have a question that I would like you to run by you and BB concerning the time period, and asking about their understanding of who had preceded them and built the pyramids and/or what remnants, if any, of their technology that could be recalled. I know that this takes you a bit off focus, but it is something that would perhaps help me to clarify some of my memories/imaginings that could have come from most anywhere huge stones were sculpted to fit tightly together and moved great distances. I'd love for these kinds of memories to help solve these types of questions.
     

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