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  1. John Tat

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    Hi baro-scan I don't understand what you posted had any reference to my posts These are the types of things that are beyond my comprehensions When it comes to posting for me say what you are saying in a clear and precise manner otherwise I struggle.. Also posting what someone said means nothing to me when it comes to me understanding what you believe in... again say what you mean and mean what you say.. If you meant in your post that there was some twisted way the Christian god is connected to the reincarnation process.. then that's ridiculous .. There is absolutely no way he could be.. So I'm not sure how true Christians could also believe in reincarnation when there god clearly does not

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  2. KenJ

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    John, I'll answer for baro-san on this. Reincarnation was in the Christian bible at one time, but was taken out for political type reason it seems. I'm not clear why you say there is no way that he could - what did you mean by that?
     
  3. John Tat

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    Hi Ken There is no way the Christian god is connected to the reincarnation process... John 5.28-29 all humanity will be restored to life (resurrected not reincarnated).. A central teaching of the Christian god is about resurrection making it impossible for god to be connected to reincarnation
    Another reason the Christian god has no connections to the reincarnation process is... When Jesus said to the criminal on the cross when both were dying... "today you will be with me in paradise" For the Christian god there is only one physical life not many ... I could go on and on
    Its the easy way out to have a bet each way.. yes I'm going to heaven and yes I will reincarnate God tells me both are true...that's impossible .. Because of the teachings of the Christian god its impossible for him to be connected to the reincarnation process

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    Hi John,

    Assuming you are correct, what difference does this make? You have said that the "enemies" of the sun gods currently control the process and you are part of a plan to seize control on behalf of the sun gods from these enemies. How will what you have said, even if true, have any impact on (1) what you have planned, (2) what the enemies and their allies will do, and (3) what the sun gods and their allies will do?

    I guess I'm wondering why you are bringing this up. You have said that the idea of a single all-powerful god--which is a description of the Judeo-Christian God--is a fiction made up by the "enemies". So, if this God is a myth anyway, it doesn't seem like any of this has any relevance to anything that is going to happen.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  5. baro-san

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    Hi John,
    There are Christians who have a different view on what Christianity is, than you have. Some of them, like the Christian mystic I quoted, believe there is reincarnation.
     
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    Hi Barosan,

    I am also, of course, a Christian who believes in reincarnation. But I'm mainly perplexed because I do not know what point John is trying to make. As he believes that an ultimate God is a myth, why is it important what the believers in such a God think about reincarnation?

    So, my questions above were not merely hypothetical. I'm assuming that John is going to make some point about the fact that normative Christian beliefs on this subject will leave Christians unprepared to deal with what the sun gods have planned.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  7. John Tat

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    Hi S&S... I understand why you asked those questions... I also would under the same circumstances...Its far to much to always give reasons for what I say ... but when I'm asked I will always answer them and give my reasons... In this discussion about the Christian god and reincarnation and the process of reincarnation it is all about what is communicated to me during my meditations.. BB and my source knows full well I do not except what they communicate to me without some proof to back it up.. This thing about the reincarnation process and our enemies is a very big deal and where possible I need plenty of clarifications about what is communicated to me.. on such important subjects I would never accept was is communicated to me on its face value
    I will do my best to explain something that is very complicated as best as I can
    Our enemies control the reincarnation process which makes it possible among many other things for them to have an on going narrative about a single god
    When something like that is the only communication I need proof to back it up
    As I said since I retired most of my meditations have been lead by BB and my source down this path some of it about Christianity and reincarnation
    I need proof about us and/ or our enemies controlling the reincarnation process and nobody or nothing else
    Part of the proof is...showing the a single fictitious god created by our enemies is just that by proofing that the teachings of such a god created by our enemies makes it impossible.. It makes me wonder if this was done o purpose When the proof is there that the concept of a single god and resurrection has nothing to do with reincarnation then the concept of a single god is a fiction because reincarnation is a fact and also making it impossible for such a god even if he was real to be connected to the reincarnation process.. There are only two who can control the reincarnation process.. us and our enemies
    For me its all about me doing my best to understand.. This is only a small part of it

    bio-scan Thanks for the reply
    All The Best
     
  8. SeaAndSky

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    Hi John,

    I agree that "reincarnation" is not the current understanding of the term "resurrection" in most Christian denominations. There are Christians who interpret resurrection/anastasis to include reincarnation. It may be susceptible to that interpretation in certain contexts--I'm not sure. However, I don't see it that way in most of the places where it is used.

    I primarily see resurrection/anastasis (which literally means "standing up" or "standing again") as indicating restoration to, and/or achievement of, a state of freedom that is not bound to the cycle of reincarnation, but truly free to exist in all immaterial or material worlds as we will. This freedom is the freedom of the "Sons of God" and comes with a new transformed body along with a transformed mind and spirit as well as powers, perceptions and abilities beyond those we can currently conceive. I.e., to me "resurrection" = graduation, freedom, liberation, etc. from the limitations of our current transient fleshly mind, body, perceptions, etc. The cycle of reincarnation is not freedom, it is slavery and imprisonment, and also includes a lot of torment and misery as well.

    I'll put what I am saying in context by comparing it to the things you have said that the "sun gods" do to move between the stars. They travel as spirits and then use the incarnation process to be born in a new locale with a fleshly body appropriate to that locale. This is impressive, but only as a work-around. It is like using two sticks to make fire instead of using a lighter. The use of sticks is clever and resourceful, but it is a fairly primitive way to start a fire.

    To me, the ultimate is freedom to traverse at will and be here or there (or anywhere in-between). Christ was material here after his resurrection and ate food with his disciples, yet now he sits at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. Obviously, his material body does not prevent this, but (as a resurrection body) is capable of being transformed/transmuted(?) as necessary to be in different realms comfortably. Coming from the opposite direction, the three "men" who met with Abraham were solid enough to eat with Abraham (though they undoubtedly came down from heaven). So, they were also obviously able to transition at will between one realm and the other (spirit and matter) and have a body suitable to each when there.

    The body is our "vehicle of action"--it makes sense that the resurrection body (as our/the ultimate vehicle of action)--would be able to adapt-transmute-transform as necessary to meet the needs of various levels of creation. I think it is an error to get stuck in thinking that the material body is one category and a "heavenly" or "spirit" body is another, and "never the twain shall meet". Matter is just one form of energy, that same energy can take other forms, and I assume one of them is the heavenly/resurrection body that can change its rate of "vibration"(?) or whatever to do/be whatever its owner needs to do/be.

    This could also allow it to go through a locked door as Jesus did when he visited the disciples after his resurrection. We are to be as he is. He moves from realm to realm without problem, levitates, etc. etc.. I think we will be able to do the same, and be free within His Father's created universe. (Of course, this leaves out any particular duties we may have to be in a particular locale, but you get the point). Anyhow, this transformation also includes a transformed consciousness of radiant goodness with god-like powers and perception.

    So, to answer your questions about why the New Testament doesn't say much about reincarnation I can only say that reincarnation is not its main concern. The Bible as a whole is just not all that concerned about spelling out the details of reincarnation. There are a few texts that acknowledge its existence, but they are not the focus. The focus is goodness, transformation and transcendence. The way to achieve this, as Barosan has said, is via Love. Loving/serving God and Loving/serving our fellow man.

    I could say more, but I'm out of time.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--You may recall that I asked or otherwise tried to find out why the sun gods didn't simply materialize when they arrived. The answer is apparently that they can't. They do not have this ability.

    PPS--There are some decently sized Christian denominations that do explicitly accept reincarnation. I posted quite a bit about them at one time. I can look up the thread for you if yo wish.
     
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  9. John Tat

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    Hi S&S Thanks for the reply.. You have an ability I do not... but wish I did.. the ability to write and give context to subjects using area's that have little or no relevance to what is being discussed.. I'm most certainly not saying that is a bad thing just acknowledging the ability... You are right the sun gods did not materialize they came from the light of the second sun.. You are also right when you say they do not have the ability to materialize.. Just as Jesus they do/did not have that ability.. They must be born into the physical to physical mothers.. just as Jesus was.. The comparisons of the sun gods to Jesus is very interesting and along with many other things about Christianity follow closely the gods and teachings of Ancient Egypt
    What I find interesting is... today the world and agencies like NASA look to the skies for aliens. There are no aliens...They will all be born into the physical through human mothers making them human not aliens after there spirits enters the fetus just before the birth of the physical form.. as I have said before.. the sun gods and the others they have the abilities and knowledge to do that after going through the reincarnation process which we must take control off ..A spirit can only enter a physical form after going through process of reincarnation.which for me puts huge question marks on the story of Jesus

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    Hi John,

    I had another very brief vignette type dream during my sleeping-to-waking time this morning. In my dream, there was a woman who was my mother and I loved her very much. I think she was going to get me something to eat. There was nothing visual at this point, nor was this woman my mother in this lifetime or any other that I know of. This was just my initial non-visual impression of what was happening. Then I had a very short visual of the woman with a tree, like she was going to get me food or fruit from the tree. Then I awoke.

    After waking, I tried to fit this into some standard archetypal patterns, such as Adam and Eve with the tree in the garden. However, that didn't seem to fit. Plus, in the visual I was smaller than the woman. Child-sized, but not necessarily a child. That also didn't seem to fit into Adam/Eve imagery.

    In any case, I looked at another post from someone later this morning that had a reference to Isis, and had a thought that I should check for images of Isis with a tree. After doing so, I found that this was a typical motif for representing Isis: transforming to/from a tree, and/or offering food from a tree (apparently for deceased souls, though I have no reason to believe I was deceased in the dream).

    This is not the type of thing I would usually dream about. So, I'm a bit confused at this point. Anyhow, I thought you might be interested since you're my go-to for strange things related to Ancient Egypt.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
  11. John Tat

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    Hi S&S Its difficult for me to make and judgements on your dreams/memories.. but I can give you a couple of things to think about which may raise more questions I would be happy to answer
    Isis is powerful god of Egypt and along with other gods such as Horus and Ra was worship well beyond the boundaries of Egypt...My gods come to me from time to time mostly Horus but lately Anubis has been a frequent visitor... Just yesterday I sat down in a comfortable chair to connect with BB (now I'm retired I have the time to do this) I closed my eyes meditated and connected with BB ...Then Anubis came and confirmed with me what I must do as John Tat is going through the dying process and that I must get to the first gate with BB still intact within me which will give Anubis the power to once again open the first gate and all other gates of the process... I talk about this because my gods are real and I'm sure can and do go to others in there dreams.. It's up to you if you want to connect with Isis on a permanent basis..and find out what is really going on because I cannot answer that only the gods can

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    Hi S&S I have been thinking about what you experienced.. The following is how I interrupt those happenings...To begin with I never write them off as some type of illusion generated by my imagination
    or by my current state of mind.....I try to be as open minded as I can to what happened.. None us know everything ...so its obvious the only way we can grow and expand is to explore everything that happens to us There are times what you learn makes no sense to anyone else,.. but that doesn't matter ...it takes some courage to talk about these things you learn...A good e example is when I talked about Anubis in my last post... I'm sure most would be skeptical at best about what I said..It is not there fault they do not understand.. how could they? when the name Anubis is not even his name.. its a name given to him by the Greeks and like all of my gods he was once physical.. The point I'm trying to make is... to learn and expand you need to explore fully all of these events.. From my experiences your dream leading you to Isis as no small event or random... defiantly not random... this was meant to happen.. What you do now is up to you.. Are you truly seeking the truth or not? Who knows who you are...who your spiritual self really is and where he came from.. you must at least be curious about that.. only you can find out

    All The Best
     
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    Over my many lifetimes I've practiced most of the current religions, and many that have died out. Trying to understand reincarnation via a religion, even a religion that believes in reincarnation, is difficult at best.

    If any belief conflicts with what a person is trying to create in this reality, they will fight that belief, and belief not only comes from upbringing, but it also comes from soul memories (past lives), and DNA memory, past down from the ancestors of your current DNA. By the time you hit adulthood you're dealing with three memory sources, which are very difficult to look past.

    Take this forum, I'm restricted from talking about my life as a tree here, and I'm sure it's because of the forum creator's restrictive memories, either from current upbringing, soul memories, or DNA memories.
     
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    Not knowing where to put this, I'm just putting this video here about ancient Africa that I found interesting.
     
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    Sea and Sky on another thread asked me to put this post on this thread.. It's taking a long time to put this post together .. For me having a memory/memories communicated to me by BB my pure spiritual self
    which in most case's I either understand immediately or soon after when I have thought about them I understand what the memory/memories are about is one thing … putting that memory/memories into writing is another.. This post is a good example .. I'm only happy with a portion of it … I have gone over it time after time to find the most accurate words for the memories … one word can make a big difference to the accurate interpretation of a memory/memories being written about . As a result there is a lot more I have to sort out on this post before I continue after this initial post

    This post has some simple memories I know are real and true .. The rest of what I talk about is built through my attempts to put many scattered memories .. a jig saw of memories so to speak and what I feel all together in my attempts to give some clarity to the simple memories I know are real and true... As I have said before ..as time goes by I have begun to trust what I feel .. as more of these feelings have turned out to be true … which gives my confidence in the feelings I have that cannot be proven to be true may also be true.. These feelings are results of my meditations

    I'm not expecting anyone to believe what I will talk about in this post .. It's not an easy thing to do to talk about a whole range of things that in some case's goes against what is out there and believed to be true

    All of the following about BB my pure spiritual self original tribe that he came from is somewhat confusing to me as BB's memories skip from nomadic to more settled and advanced tribes … I don't know if some of BB's incarnations were a long way apart or memories of multiple incarnations have not been communicated to me

    The following is some of what I know and understand about the tribe BB "originally" came from.. "originally" is important.. He came from a nomadic tribe I have no clue what its name was or even if the tribes had names back then... His tribe came from a land now called Europe long before there was a place called Upper Egypt .. The memories communicated to me by BB about these early times have no time line they are just memories ..one reason there is nothing around me during these memories that would indicate a time line … Later memories because of what is around me during those memories can be given approximate time lines So the time lines could be anything

    An are of confusion for me is what happened? did the Asian tribes come to Europe and interact with tribes like mine and that is where I get the European and Asian connections about where the tribes came from that went to pre history Egypt?.. The experts claim they know how the migrations of peoples happened and when it happened … They paint with a very broad brush about it all... that cannot possibly give an accurate account of what happened .. It was no where as straight forward as they claim it was

    I don't think it was a fluke we went to Africa the later to a place to be called Upper Egypt … maybe the leaders of our tribe had heard about this land and decided it was in our interests to go there.. if this is correct then who told the leaders of our tribe about Africa and to go there.. why did they intervene?...I have conflicted memories and feelings about this...which include.. was it in the traditions of our tribe that this is where we originally came from … or did something happen that drove us to Africa?..as I said things were no where as straight forward as the experts claim it was... I'm very sure it as not nomadic wanderings that us to Africa.. there was a lot more to it than that... What I do know is … long ago BB my pure spiritual self was a member of a tribe in a land called Europe who later migrtated to Africa … then to a place later to be called Upper Egypt... the time line could be anything I have no clue

    That's all have that I'm happy with right now I will continue the post later
     
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    I think a great way to find out is what for instance myheritage is up to, taking DNA test of willing people for the curiosity to find out where their ancestors came from. In time I think historians might get a surprise or two as ancestors traveled, immigrated in a larger scale than what has been thought. Looking forward to the rest ...
    /Jaimie
     
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    As John said "it's taking a long time to put this post together", I am having problems posting here any more as my abilities diminish.
     
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    As I go through the next post I realized I should have explained something … There is so much I take as "that is how it is/was" which I take as normal but on reflecting requires explanation/clarification
    It's difficult when you have to clarify how things were so what you are talking about makes sense Imagine if you had to clarify what you are talking about because it is about a time few have any knowledge about.. You forget that is how it is because its normal for you they are memories of a time that are/was normality for you.. for example
    BB's memories are about how things were not how they are now...There were no country/land borders it was all just a place we were at
    When I talk about things like Asian tribes that is my John Tat's way of saying these people looked different... they did not look like us .. they did not dress like us .. more coat like garments … they had darker skins than us ..to John Tat they looked somewhat Asian in physical appearance using today as an example... so they were foreigners to us not so much a region they came from because there were no regions.... I know Europe was the place BB originally came from by using simple deductions of elimination
    The very early memories of Europe are sketchy .. Africa is a different thing .. there are many ongoing memories that are proof to me of being in Africa and Upper Egypt.. pre history Egypt As BB's incarnations continue into pre history Egypt they are more detailed
     
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    Hi John,

    I understand the problem. All the languages and place names would be different. However, as BB came from Europe originally, how did he end up in the upper Nile region? I'm not expressing disbelief here, I just think there must be a really great tale of how and why he made such an epic journey. Do you think the Sun gods were able to "draw" him there somehow for their purposes?

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Hi S&S From BB's memories from these times distance was something that did not exist to us … We never thought about things of how far away or how close they were.. It was all about what we needed to do to survive.. These are the types of things I John Tat find interesting more so than some other things... The fact that distance did not exist during these early times is something that could not possibly be known if you had not lived it

    All The Best
     

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