Reincarnation and the Bible

Discussion in 'Reincarnation, Religion and Spirituality' started by Charles Stuart, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. rjmarzano

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    Christ spoke about reincarnation but people didn't understand what He was talking about.

    Understanding the Book Of Revelation requires an understanding of astrology and reincarnation I think. And that's probably why people are so confused about Revelation today.

    Here's a message about this.

    Jeff Marzano:

    The early Christians apparently believed that Christ was going to return during their own lifetimes. I think that happened because of a misunderstanding about the following statement that Christ made:

    ◄ Matthew 16:28 ►

    "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

    Edgar Cayce said that the people who heard Christ say this didn't understand what He was talking about. What Christ meant is the people who were present at that time would be reincarnated and alive again in this world when all of those end time events had happened.

    Christ was probably talking about the end of the astrological Age Of Pisces. I think this may have happened on 12/21/12 and we are now in the Age Of Aquarius but I'm not sure.

    This gets into the idea that there will be 144,000 people in the world to make the path straight for whatever's going to happen. That may be now. There's 144,000 on the dark side also.

    Interestingly one Mayan baktun is 144,000 days and 13 of those baktuns make up one Mayan age.

    Twelve and multiples of 12 are mystical numbers in the bible and many other places such as astrology and mythology.

    Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus (Paperback)
    [Paperback 1987]
    by Edgar Cayce (Author), Jeffrey Furst (Editor)
     
  2. Native Son

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    How interesting is most of this thread. The Golden thread that weaves together all thoughts here is precisely the concept of reincarnation of the soul. And to most of those that have embraced Christianity and reincarnation, we must remember a particular passage in the gospels where it relates to the Second Coming of Christ, and is written as Jesus' own words.

    John 14-25,26,27
    All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. 27Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled; do not be afraid.…

    And for those posts related to the spirituality and the existence of the soul prior to the body, along with the eternal realm, we can rely on Plato for corroboration.

    Timaeus:

    Now God did not make the soul after the body, although we are speaking
    of them in this order; for having brought them together he would never have
    allowed that the elder should be ruled by the younger; but this is a random
    manner of speaking which we have, because somehow we ourselves too are very
    much under the dominion of chance. Whereas he made the soul in origin and
    excellence prior to and older than the body, to be the ruler and mistress, of
    whom the body was to be the subject......

    When the father and creator saw the creature which he had made moving
    and living, the created image of the eternal gods, he rejoiced, and in his joy
    determined to make the copy still more like the original; and as this was eternal,
    he sought to make the universe eternal, so far as might be.......

    Thus far and until the birth of time the created universe was made in the
    likeness of the original, but inasmuch as all animals were not yet comprehended
    therein, it was still unlike. What remained, the creator then proceeded to fashion
    after the nature of the pattern. Now as in the ideal animal the mind perceives
    ideas or species of a certain nature and number, he thought that this created
    animal ought to have species of a like nature and number......

    Now, when all of them, both those who visibly appear in their revolutions as
    well as those other gods who are of a more retiring nature, had come into being,
    the creator of the universe addressed them in these words: ’Gods, children of
    gods, who are my works, and of whom I am the artificer and father, my creations
    are indissoluble, if so I will. All that is bound may be undone, but only an evil
    being would wish to undo that which is harmonious and happy. Wherefore,
    since ye are but creatures, ye are not altogether immortal and indissoluble, but
    ye shall certainly not be dissolved, nor be liable to the fate of death, having in
    my will a greater and mightier bond than those with which ye were bound at the
    time of your birth. And now listen to my instructions:–Three tribes of mortal
    beings remain to be created–without them the universe will be incomplete, for
    it will not contain every kind of animal which it ought to contain, if it is to be
    perfect. On the other hand, if they were created by me and received life at my
    hands, they would be on an equality with the gods. In order then that they
    may be mortal, and that this universe may be truly universal, do ye, according
    to your natures, betake yourselves to the formation of animals, imitating the
    power which was shown by me in creating you. The part of them worthy of the
    name immortal, which is called divine and is the guiding principle of those who
    are willing to follow justice and you–of that divine part I will myself sow the
    seed, and having made a beginning, I will hand the work over to you. And do
    ye then interweave the mortal with the immortal, and make and beget living
    creatures, and give them food, and make them to grow, and receive them again
    in death.’

    Thus he spake, and once more into the cup in which he had previously
    mingled the soul of the universe he poured the remains of the elements, and
    mingled them in much the same manner; they were not, however, pure as before,
    but diluted to the second and third degree. And having made it he divided the
    whole mixture into souls equal in number to the stars, and assigned each soul
    to a star; and having there placed them as in a chariot, he showed them the
    nature of the universe, and declared to them the laws of destiny, according to
    which their first birth would be one and the same for all,–no one should suffer
    a disadvantage at his hands; they were to be sown in the instruments of time
    severally adapted to them, and to come forth the most religious of animals;
    and as human nature was of two kinds, the superior race would hereafter be
    called man. Now, when they should be implanted in bodies by necessity, and
    be always gaining or losing some part of their bodily substance, then in the first
    place it would be necessary that they should all have in them one and the same
    faculty of sensation, arising out of irresistible impressions; in the second place,
    they must have love, in which pleasure and pain mingle; also fear and anger,
    and the feelings which are akin or opposite to them; if they conquered these
    they would live righteously, and if they were conquered by them, unrighteously.
    He who lived well during his appointed time was to return and dwell in his
    native star, and there he would have a blessed and congenial existence...........
     
  3. Virochana Asura

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    I do not believe that reincarnation is found in the Bible. If we look at the Hebrew scriptures what we find is that they possessed a very materialistic view of what we would call the ‘soul’ in the earlier historical layers. The Hebrew words ‘ruach’ (breath as in Genesis 2:7) and ‘nefesh’ (life in the body related to flowing blood, as in Leviticus 17:11) do not have any spiritual import.

    We also see there is no concept of Afterlife states in the Bible before the Jews were influenced by the Zoroastrians in the Babylonian Exile. In the legends of Genesis such as the Fall, the murder of Able and the generation of the Flood there is never any mention of judgment and Hell. When we look at the list of blessings and curses based on one’s fulfillment of the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 28), there is never any Heaven or Hell mentioned. There is no Afterlife reward or punishment (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

    The end of man is Sheol, the grave (Genesis 37:35) and that is it. The dead are “forgotten” (Psalm 31:12) and that is clear in a number of places, such as,

    “It is not the dead who praise the LORD, those who go down to the place of silence”

    - Psalm 115:17

    These do reflect something of the state in which the dead were viewed which is also described as not only an unknown and questionable state, but “darkness” (Psalm 143:3). What we then gather about the grave is that it is characterized with motifs of silence and darkness.

    In the Greek scriptures, most people on this subject will quote the famous verse from Hebrews which says clearly,

    “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

    -Hebrews 9:27

    The Zoroastrian beliefs had already been incorporated in Judaism and passed to the early church. There is some debate among scholars if the view of the resurrection of the dead in Paul (1 Corinthians 15) and as it is presented in Revelation (chapter 20) are the same (‘Paul and Hellenism,’ Maccoby). But, in either case it does not seem that reincarnation is implied, much less directly mentioned, in these texts.
     
  4. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    I happened to see your born again comment.

    I am a Gnostic Christian and the following quotes and link will show you how we think being born again or gaining the Christ mind works.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



    Regards
    DL
     
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    Well, in the apocrypha, books not included in the bible, Paul talks about going to heaven, and the Angels show him the places of punishment and after the soul were punish, they were send back to earth in another body to continue their punishment. Reincarnation In Early Christianity is a must read y can get it in the web for free to read.

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  6. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    That was more of a Jewish tradition than of Christianity. Even Jesus followed that tradition of thinking the old prophets reappeared throughout history.

    Jesus asked his disciples, who do they say I am etc., when he entered Jerusalem.

    Regards
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    Hi, bishop. Yes it was Jewish tradition, but the quote I made I read it in PAUL AND EARLY CHRISTIANITY. And Yes! They believe in reincarnation since the came out from Egypt.
    I can tell you that 3,500 years ago, We in Egypt were teach, that the soul comes back to earth. And how right we were.
    I am here, with all my memories of 3,500 years ago, since I was born. Thanks GOD for sending me back to earth, because he is the only one who has the power, and decides who can comes back.

    As I said, I was born with the memories of the past. It was hard for me dealing with this life, until I had the regressions. Were unlock all my memories from the past.
     

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  8. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    Readers should not put Paul over Jesus.

    Jesus is the archetypal good man. Not Paul.

    Few have read or remember him but I think the best writer of the ancient Egyptians is Breasted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Henry_Breasted

    Regards
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    I think you read me wrong. The only one I love is Our lord Jesus Christ and with his power he let me return to earth and find SE-MUT and tell him the truth, in my book, I describe how I came into the presence of GOD and ask him to let me come back and find SEN-MUT that I can tell him the truth..
    And for our members I wanted to let the people know that Paul do speaks of reincarnation in early Chritianity.
    Regards.

    P.s.
    And I found SEN-MUT in 1982, and had the opportunity to tell him the truth of what happened that terrible day.
     
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  10. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    Do you have anything to substantiate your claim and show us that you are just not delusional?

    Regards
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    Yes, I have mark from the past, and in my book they are the pictures of them...and for the part of delusional, I have the testimony on the forward in my book a Psychologist and Prof. LEO SPRINKEL PH.D. were he dosent find me Pathological or delusional. He was the one who did the regresdion in 1978. A Professor of Psycology of the University of Laramie, Wyoming. And he was the one who suggested for me to write my book since I have so many historical and Archeology information.
    Can not be delusional when I remember who I was since I was born. And you can not tell a week old child that what she remembers its on all in her mind.
    All your questions are answered are in my book.

    In my book sometimes I write on a third person. Its because I live that life and I know what had happened in does moments.

    I know that the attacks will come from the outsiders but not from a member of this forum. I believe before anyone express their opinion about who I am, they must read the book first then make their judgement.
    Do you believe in reincarnation?

    So
     
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  12. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    I still have questions and doubts while recognizing, with work with children, that there is definitely something going on that we have yet to prove is not just telepathy based, which is what I know exists.

    Did your archeological information lead to a new discovery or was that discovery made by others beforehand?

    That type of info would be what I consider viable evidence.

    Regards
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    Yes, as which route was taken to find Punt, whos body is really lying in the Cairo Museum, Whos was the father of NEFERU-RE, whos really was the father of MENKHEP-RE ( THUTMOSES III) Plus how did I die, Sen-Mut, Hapuseneb... plus my full life in Egypt, how did I reach the throne of Egypt. I brought marks from the war then, from my death.


    HATSHEPSUT
     
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    Thanks for this.

    Regards
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    Please open the small picture and read the synopsis. Enclose is my picture and the Psychologist. I still keep in touch with him...my last regression was in 2015. We're he un-lock what I feared to remember. SEN-MUT'S death.

    Thank You...
     

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    I'd like to read your book Nely, but at over 800 pages and the cost, I find it too imposing.
     
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    To all our member in this forum, GOD dose exist, because when I died 3,500 years ago, I came into his presence and he was in a form of a man SOOOO bright, I could not see his face. I trow myself at his feet at and his feet were not pierced yet, and I remember begin him to let me come back to earth and find SEN-MUT to tel him the truth.

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    For a long time I did not believe in reincarnation at all until I gave in started researching and sure enough the proof is in the pudding to the degree that the evidence speaks for itself. With opened eyes and the keys as to how to look at some of the scriptures beyond what is taught in the mainstream the Bible is loaded with it all through out the Old and New Testaments. I really do hate the mainstream church for hiding this truths like this and misleading good honest people myself included.
     
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    Hello Charles
    Hi Charles I would like to share my siritual understanding of Biblical references on Reincarnation.


    Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement:”

    Let us examine what this verse is saying.

    When we die, we are dead and gone which is true of our physical body. That body including the brain will not reincarnate because it no longer exists either through being cremated or buried in the ground..

    Our Soul however, which is the part of us that is made in the image and likeness of our glorious Godhead does not die but continues on and may reincarnate into another body in another lifetime at any time it chooses.

    Our character, experiences, abilities and knowledge that we have gained during each lifetime is stored in the mind as in a data base which is part of the spiritual body which never forgets anything. It is the through our mind that we get glimpses of de-ja-vue and vivid dreams.

    The Soul can reincarnate as many times as it chooses and each time occupy a new physical body. The denial of reincarnation exists because we are looking at it from the wrong end. We SHOULD NOT be identifying ourselves as a body with a Soul, but rather a Soul who is temporarily occupying a physical body.

    In the Old Testament the Mosaic Law states: a life for a life, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Many terms are used to describe this condition but in fact they are all parts of the Godhead’s one Universal Law of “Sowing and Reaping “or Cause and Effect.

    Analysing this phrase further tells us that we will know what it is like to walk in another man’s shoes. The breaking of any of the Ten Commandments puts us outside of the heavenly realm so when we return in another life, it is to expunge our past mistakes and so we will experience the exact conditions according to our actions in a previous life. KARMA.

    These are the lessons we must overcome and is why we reincarnate. It is only when we have purged our past “SINS” that we get an opportunity to advance to a higher level, eventually not needing to return to the earth plane.

    Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived. God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap. This is one of the Godhead’s Universal Laws.

    Should our actions be of a physical nature being of violence, sexual crimes, coveting, greed, murder, stealing etc. we will also experience these situations. If not in this most certainly in another life. On the other hand, if your actions are of a spiritual nature being kindly, loving, giving, gentle, caring person will advance to a higher level in the heavenly fourth dimension. It is when we purged all our SINS through the process of reincarnation that we reach the level of not having to return to the earth.

    Sayings like “if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword” have all evolved from this one Universal law.
    The Bible says judge not least ye be judged. It is difficult for those of us who understand reincarnation to see someone with a disability and immediately think, I wonder what they did to have this disability. In 99.9% of cases this would be true, however there is the exception to the rule.

    As in the case of the man that was born blind.
    Reading through John 9: 1, as I understand it spiritually, the discussion Jesus is having with His disciples is about reincarnation and why His disciples asked him the question about the blind man. “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?” How could this man have sinned before he was born?
    Jesus’s in His answer didn’t lay blame or judgement but replied – “Neither hath this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.”

    From the spiritual perspective, Jesus is saying in this man’s situation he chose to be born blind, knowing beforehand that he would be healed by Jesus as a demonstration for those witnessing this miraculous event, would acknowledge that He (Jesus) is the Son of God and glorify Him.

    This was not a trick question asked by a Pharisee but from His own disciple whom He had been teaching for some time. Jesus was preparing them to carry His messages to the world.
    That Jesus didn’t deny the question is compelling biblical evidence that reincarnation is a valid concept.

    Nothing can be proven by scripture alone as is evident by the 5,000 plus different Christian denominations all with their own slightly different version of interpreting the Bible.
    Yet when we read Malachi 4:5 the Bible tells us “behold, I will send you E-li-jah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

    It does not say I will send someone like Elijah, or someone with the spirit of Elijah, it says that he will send E-LI-JAH which is a strong indication for reincarnation.

    Jesus took James, Peter and his brother John with him to a high mountain place and stood a little off from them. They witnessed the transfiguration of Jesus as His face shone like the Sun and saw the appearance of Moses and Elias talking with Jesus and a voice out of the cloud said; this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

    Matthew 17: 10 -13 the disciples are asking Jesus why the scripture (Malachi 4-5) says that Elijah must come first? Jesus tells them that Elijah has already been but they didn’t recognize him and have already killed him and that the same thing is going to happen to himself. Then the disciples understood that Jesus was talking about John the Baptiste being the reincarnation of Elijah.
    Then going back when John the Baptiste was still alive he was asked whether he was Elijah which he denied. This has to be indicative of all of us as we do not remember who we have been or where until we make that connection through our Soul to our subjective mind.
     
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    Halo everyone,

    If there are some of you who really believe in the possibility or even frequency of reincarnation (I think God decides how often you reincarnate here on earth) maybe this would be interesting for you. For the doubters this questions might be less interesting.

    I was on different paths from christian to moslem-kind-of-privatethings-like-this and back to Christianity. But only after God showed me some answers to my questions. This was an amazing experience, though it made me very confused too. But God left no doubt this information was from him. I just was confused about it: If God lets me remember past lives of mine, why does the church and the bible deny reincarnation? Because I believed in Jesus being God and so I had to believe the church also.

    Here is what God answered me: For some people it is important to believe in only one life to get the chance of salvation and to sin less. Those people are also my flock which I love. They also deserve the chance to salvation.
    The people who need to know about their past lives I will teach myself.

    Then there where for sure many other questions. How is it the bible was written wrong. It was God's will to be the bible designed like this from a point in the time.
    It is God's will the church denies reincarnation because people would judge and punish each other for their sins from past lives. But only God is the judger!
    The proof of this mentality is also in the bible like I found: About the blind man, Jesus was asked what he has sinned that he is ill. This is exactly the mentality of people to spread hate and to add pain to a soul which is already suffering. No man has the right to add pain to your pain. It is in God's hands to decide.

    That is why it is needed reincarnation is not known by every christian.

    No I did not take drugs. As my church was teaching I began a journey with God. I simply asked him and He answered. With videos, voice and feelings. This experience was so deep it influences me until this day although it was 10 years ago. I still keep praying every day and believing in Jesus. But reincarnation is a part of my life and own experience. Also glad I am God showed me the man that is for me, my twin flame.
     
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