Son remembers death in the Navy (Shark)

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  1. Karoliina

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    Thank you so much for the update, Lisa. Lots of interesting stuff there, but I'm very sorry to hear about the anesthesia awareness possibility. What an awful experience for a little child. :( But remember that he's getting a lot of help from his loving parents and the experts you're dealing with, and the physical pain part is over and long-gone. ((((Lisa))))


    It makes me happy to hear this site and Carol's book have helped your family so much. From cases like this we get the energy to maintain this site year after year. :thumbsup:


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    Past life drawings


    Sorry this has been so long in coming. We have had our hands full. I have an update.


    Ethan was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.


    Some may think that this would make us question the "legitimacy" of his past life stories. However, it only reinforces the legitimacy for us. First, Asperger's kids are not known for "imaginative" play. Ethan rarely invents scenarios when playing with toy trucks, cars, or boats. Instead he just copies rows of cars as seen on our local highway. So to "invent" this past life story is even more unlikely.


    As well, I'm finding I'm not alone in noticing how intuitive and spiritually in touch autism spectrum kids seem to be.


    I have, finally, attached his drawings of the ships and shark:

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    He always talks about the boat/ship as "Looty Express", which my husband believes to be "Leyte" a military point in the Philipines.I know nothing about this and haven't researched it to come up with any confirming evidence. On the grey picture, the grey scribbles on top are the storm clouds. the grey blob of scribbles in the middle he says is the navy ship. There is a black line that starts on the left about 1/4 up from the bottom and goes across to the right and then about 3/4's across the page there is a large spike, very Washington Monument appearing. He says that is the really big wave that caused them to go into the life rafts. I find it interesting that the line stops after that wave. All the brown dots on the right lower side he says are his friends in the water and jumping off the ship. The thing in the lowest left corner he says is the shark. the thing that seems to stick off the front of the shark and is in the middle of the bottom of the page he says is the shark's mouth and teeth. The dark green marks amid the brown dots in the lower right he says are fish.

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    On the red and blue picture, the grey scribble on top is again, the storm clouds. He says this picture is a "protection boat" to help protect the navy ship. He thought it was "odd and funny" (his way of noting irony) that the guys on this ship "sometimes shooted sharks with the ship's guns if they saw them in the water". The brown circles on "sticks" that fill the middle of this picture he says are the guns. Notice the turquiose blue water at the bottom also has a big blue spike of a wave about 3/4's across this picture, too. The brown thing off the left of the rectangle (the boat) is a smokestack, the scribbles coming out of it is smoke. The dark blue dots on the lower left and throughout the middle are "the guys". The grey object that is amidst the blue along the bottom is the shark. Notice the "fin" on the right and the "teeth" on the left. As a 4 year old, his sense of scale is of course, lacking, yet in my experience, in memories the details sometime do seem immense. I thought the scale of the shark to this boat, compared to the Navy ship was interesting. He says the red in the middle is not blood, as I suspected when he was drawing it. It is on the boat and he says that the "wave was so fierce the metal was painted red". This made no sense to me at all, until my husband remembered that navy ships use a primer under their paint and it is a red shade.


    I hope this helps someone else.


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    Thank you for the update, Lisa. It's a good thing you have a diagnosis for Ethan's problems now. :thumbsup:


    It was very interesting to see his drawings and read the explanations, thanks for sharing those! :)


    Wishing all the best for your family,


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    Some additional information


    I have been reading this site for several months out of curiosity and a general interest in the study of past lives. Thank you for posting these fascinating pictures, Lisa. Many of the stories recounted on this forum have been interesting and moving, but a number of coincidences have moved me to reply to your son's story with some additional information and possible confirmations.


    I think your husband's guess that your son was remembering a past life which involved the naval battle of Leyte Gulf is correct. My grandfather was on board the USS Suwannee, an escort aircraft carrier at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. My grandfather almost never speaks about his experiences in the navy, and only told me the story of the battle once, when I interviewed him for a high school oral history project many years ago. The Suwannee was hit by two kamikaze airplanes at the battle on consecutive days and my grandfather was thrown overboard from the forecastle upon the second impact. He recounts several terrifying hours treading water in the shark infested waters waiting for rescuers to recover him and companions who survived. Some men were attacked by the sharks. He has violent nightmares relating back to that incident to this day. Other men abandoned ship after the second massive kamikaze impact (without orders)by jumping overboard. As it turned out, the fires on-board were controlled and the ship actually survived. I do not necessarily suggest that your son was on the Suwannee, but offer this as confirmation that there were sharks in the water and that men did jump off the ship (as in the first drawing) and that there were many "guys in the water." There are actually quite a few navy photos online depicting this. Also, I imagine that impacts like this did create massive waves, and the intense fires involved (at least 11 aircraft--9 US and 2 Japanese--exploded on board) could probably burn off paint to the primer level.


    Your son spoke of Hawaii--most of the battleships and other vessels were originally out from Pearl Harbor, and some were even damaged in the attacks there that started the war. Your son also mentioned "Darter." The Darter was a submarine engaged at Leyte Gulf.


    On a completely unrelated, but also synchronistic, note, I do have some experience with Aspergers children. I was a nanny for a boy with the syndrome about 8 years ago. Many Asperbers children do like to draw, but it's true that the pictures are usually relatively unimaginative and VERY repetitive. This particular child I spent time with would literally spend hours drawing pictures of sharks, usually about one picture/minute, and then he would note the time on the picture. He was about 5 years old at that time. Just a strange coincidence.


    I wish you the very best of luck with your son, and I am so glad he has made such excellent improvements. I'm sure it's due in large part to your open-mindedness and understanding. Thank you also for sharing his story with all of us--it is certainly food for thought.
     
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    Welcome Crescent, and thank you so much for sharing this interesting information and your Grandpa's story. :thumbsup: I'm sure Lisa will also appreciate it very much.


    Please feel free to participate in other discussions, too. :)


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    I can only say WOW.


    Crescent,


    Thank you so very much for sharing the info about your grandfather's navy experiences. The "gut" feeling I got reading your info was astounding. It was almost like listening to my son.


    I am simply floored.


    I cannot wait to share this info with my husband.


    I suppose at some point I could have or should have researched his story to "back up" my son's experiences, however, I've been too busy dealing with research for getting help for his Asperger's, which took us a year and dozens and dozens of appts to find out what was going on. And frankly, I did believe him so I didn't feel I had to "prove" anything, but how amazing it feels to hear some confirmation!


    Interesting note: my son has a stuffed animal dinosaur he carries everywhere and treats like his own kid and says "this is one of my children". The other day he was rocking his "baby" to sleep before bed and he said "I sure do miss being a dad!".


    Thanks again crescent for you input, and I'm wishing peace for your grandfather. What an extraordinary man to survive such a horrid thing.


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    Thank you Lisa and Cresent for being willing to share your experiences.


    Cresent - the type of information you offered is priceless to those looking for validations. Your time and effort is appreciated.
     
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    Sorry for the late post, but I just came across it, and was reminded by "ejsmom" of one of my earlier jobs while working in a hospital, somehow I knew how traumatic being hospitalized can be, much less being put to sleep and having surgery and then the recovery!


    I was a young OR Tech who often circulated (non sterile as opposed to sterile technique) and as such could often leave the room, and the Head Nurse discovered that I was very good with babies and children (I was very young looking then), so she picked me to help calm them down and help put them to sleep, and it worked out so well, that all of the Anestheoligists (sp?) would always ask for me, for my help with their young patients!
     
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    Hi Lisa and thanks for sharing. I have friend who is going through something very similar, she has a 4 year old who is having problems and difficulty being diagnosed, Aspergers, anxiety disorders etc. I wish she were as open as you are to ideas like pl trauma, and she's not the type who I could mention it to, she's very analytical and has a hard time even considering alternative theories about what is going on with her son.


    In light of what I have seen through her experience I think you are doing a great job helping your son, and it looks like he is making progress, I will add you and your son to my thoughts and prayers:) one area that my friend has completely made a turnaround with her son is regarding diet, for some reason it helps. They have a very strict dietary program but it helps...if you are interested pm me and I will tell you what they are doing.


    Good luck!!!
     
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    Son remembers death in the Navy (Shark)


    ejsmom,


    I am a holistic health practitioner. Some of my clients have mental/emotional issues that appear when they are young or suddenly as adults. I use past life regression to help them not only deal, but also resolve and heal the karmic crossover they brought with them from a previous life (sometimes lives). Perhaps you might consider having your little one regressed as I feel this will help him deal with the traumatic issues he is going through now. I hope this will help him out.
     
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    "He also has been saying "eyeballs" nonsensically for months. He told his grandmother yesterday that when you get dead sometimes birds eat your eyeballs out. She thought that was interesting in light of everything."

    This is one of those fascinating details that verifies a past life. Your son said he washed up on shore and where he was buried. This means his body must have been floating in the water for a time while he remained with the body. The reference to "birds eating eyeballs" is true with most omnivorous birds like crows, but seagulls are especially noted for preying on dead sailors and the eyes are the easiest things for seagulls to access on a corpse floating face up.

    One U-boat captain noted how he had come to detest seagulls, as when his boat pulled into the U-boat pens, they would pass seagulls eating the bodies of dead sailors floating in the water.

    The chance of your son knowing about a detail of this nature at his age are nil. He had to have witnessed this to know about such a grisly detail of a sailor's death. Obviously the hernia operation brought back horrific memories of his previous death by a shark. It is interesting that the hernia occurred in the same location as the shark bite. There are many cases of such marks or trauma from a previous life exhibiting in a present life as a physical problem or birthmark. Sufis say the body remembers far more and far longer than the mind.

    James Leininger is another very young boy that remembered his death in the South Pacific during an attack. In his past life, James had been a Navy flier that died when his aircraft received a direct hit in the nose that blew the propeller off his airplane. This was verified by an observer that had been in an aircraft flying close by that witnessed his death. What is interesting is that James would break the propellers off his toy airplanes. This case is one of the clearest cases of a past life I have ever encountered. Being a history buff as well as a former pilot, there were many fascinating details in this story about which I have rather extensive knowledge.

    For instance, James refers to the fact that one of the Navy fighters he flew (not the one he died in) was always blowing tires. It would be impossible for a boy this age to know such a detail about that particular aircraft unless he had been there as a witness. He also corrected his father who was building a model of one of the fighters he flew. His father commented about the "bombs" on the airplanes. James corrected him saying, "Oh dad those aren't bombs, those are drop tanks that carry fuel." What amazed me was most was that, in all my research about WWII aviation, the battle, the ships and the location he names were completely unknown to me due to their obscurity. So how could a preschool age boy recount such details with total accuracy about such an obscure, long forgotten incident?

    This little boy went to reunion with his old shipmates, where he recognized one in particular who asked him how he knew my name. The boy replied, "I knew who you were by your voice." He turned to his father to say how difficult it was to recognize his shipmates because "they all looked so old." How many times have you heard some old geezer say, "Boy, I only wish I was that age again?" Don't worry, you will be.

    The name of the book is "Soul Survivor." This is an interesting title because another naval aviator, Ensign George Gay, wrote a book titled "Sole Survivor" in which he describes his experience of witnessing the battle of Midway from the middle of the Japanese fleet after his plane was shot down. Gay was the only survivor of torpedo squadron eight.

    As for me, I have dim flashes of a stall/spin crash that resulted in a fiery death. I was an Army Air Corps cadet involved in a training accident in the late 1930s. What is so strange is how the desires of that last life were so strong they followed me into this life. There are so many amazing cross-overs from that life into this one. It is as if this life is a sequel to the previous one. Yet this life has taught me so much about the desires of this existence.
     
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