You're Welcome Jeff, SunshineandJoy (me) has backed you up a little on the ABC threads. But word to the wise -forums like that don't go anywhere. That format is awful -trends of thought and posts lost in a sea of confusion. And All types wonder in. I gave up on Skeptic Boards and open places like that years ago. The nay-sayers are -- most definitely ignorant about the facts -the history and the evidence.