The Spirit World and Dark Matter

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  1. SeaAndSky

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    I may not be the first to realize that the universe of the spirit with its different planes of existence (apparently at different rates of vibration) may very well turn out to be the hypothesized Dark Matter that forms about 80% of the theoretical mass of the universe. We had some interesting discussions on the matter in a thread some time back starting here:

    http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/a-very-odd-dream-or-something-else.5811/#post-88516

    That is a neat thread and very worth reading overall, so I'm glad to bring it up in a link. However, I thought the following article gave even more weight to the hypothesis:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/interacting-dark-matter/

    As you will see, the article basically hypothesizes dark matter that would form possibly more complex forms, and might give off its own dark light. There is nothing here that bars dark planets, or dark suns for that matter, though the field is young. Of course, "dark" merely means that we cannot detect it as dark matter reacts with itself, but very little or not at all with ordinary matter--except via gravity. Anyhow, it is worth bringing this idea out a bit more.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    SeaAndSky,

    Interesting that you are aware of this. Science is coming very close to discovering the other dimensions of reality that make up our universe as a whole. What sciences calls dark matter is simply etheric or lower astral matter which is used as a scaffolding of sorts to mold and shape heavier physical matter into forms where the galaxy's, stars, planets ect.. that we can see and know with our physical senses exist. This dark matter or even dark energy makes up most of the mass of our physical universe even though we can't see or touch it. Gravity is the key to understanding all of this.

    Yet science says why is gravity so much weaker than the other fundamental forces of nature? A small fridge magnet is enough to create an electromagnetic force greater than the gravitational pull exerted by planet Earth. However one possibility is that we don’t feel the full effect of gravity because part of it spreads to higher dimensions. Though it may sound like science fiction, but if higher dimensions exist, it could explain why the universe is expanding faster than expected, and why gravity is weaker than the other forces of nature.

    Thanks for the links....

    love and peace

    P.
     
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    Hi SeaAndSky,

    Such an interesting idea. We are lucky to be aware and open about these things and it's just wonderful to hear how passionate you are. To think most of the people existing doesn't really care about these things. Sometimes, I'm not sure if they are lucky to not even be bothered or cursed because of the desire to know and understand more.
     
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    I'm glad that i was not the only one of the world that think on such way. i had already hypotized from my own that dark matter and dark energy are just simply other kind of matter and energy that we cannot see with our sense and perception cause had a different quantistic vibration. on my space opera saga, on 2014 i was thinked on it: "what happen if dark matter contain different kind of matters that can interact with our matter , instead? what if my alien race can see and interact with it? what if dark matter have the equivalent of all the elements of periodic table?" so i speculated an "arcane" periodic table of elements of dark matter that have the property to alterate physical and biological laws, basically they make magic a reality and not just a speculation but a reality. so i created alien races that can see and manipulate that substances like we do with chemical and physical and can have their own tecnology with dark matter elements.
    i had organized all that with "radiances" of dark matter: each column of periodic table on my job was organized resonanting to an alchemical force.
    so there are elements of darkness, of light and energy, metals, reagents, elements of fire, of ice, of earth, or atmosphere, holy element and necro element that affect living things and other that affect the psychic.
    now i am just working about the dimensions of my saga, and i am wroting stuff for 12 parallel dimension with 12 different vibrations, reality is just one of that :)
     
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    Traveler my friend, Yes you are on to something. At present our sciences explains that in order for our physical universe to work correctly there needs to be 12 dimensions total. Now we are just talking about the major dimensions where consciousness can exist and experience reality within them.

    I am very familiar with the astral plane and have had for a brief period experienced the mental plane. (which is where I had experience cosmic consciousness during my NDE those many years ago. Now within the astral world there are over 100 sub planes or dimensions within the 4th dimension alone. As the laws of physics on the astral plane are far different then the physical world. The reason for this is those souls that exist on the astral both incarnated in the physical world and visiting it during sleep and those that are living there permanently either in-between incarnations or are native to the astral world itself that are not human in origin create worlds or sub-divisions with their groups states of consciousness there. As souls that resonate with like mind group together creating whole worlds within themselves. As the power of the mind and emotions in the 4th dimension creates forms and matter very quickly there. Some of these forms are only temporary and will only exist as long as those souls keep those mental images going. Others have been there for centuries as many of the populations there have kept those state of consciousness alive thru belief systems, dogmas, and emotional temperaments ect.. So when you die you simply gravitate towards the sub plane within the astral world you already resonate with within your astral body after death. From there it is up to you to grow and evolve over time. Many do but some don't. After all we all have free will.

    The mental plane which is where the mind itself resides is a whole other dimension which I won't go into right now. It is the 5th dimension. Beyond that is the causal or soul plane which is the 6th dimension. Here the game changes greatly. For now soul is above time, space, matter and duality. This is actually the first true spiritual plane of the soul. As the physical, astral and mental bodies have been dropped and soul is now naked and bare in its true eternal form. As soul itself resonates beyond the mind. This is also where one can access all of your past lives you have ever lived since your descent into the lower worlds of duality. Which goes far beyond the age of the physical universe.

    From here there are 6 more dimension beyond this. However human languages and cultures lacks the ability to describes these god worlds of pure spirit. But from what I have study learned and know what we term as god resides on the 12 dimension where pure reality itself exists and where the singularity of the big bang occurred creating all the dimensions of reality from the inside out. As our physical universe as we understand it resides on the far most outer ring from the center of creation itself. So the higher one goes within the dimensions the closer to the center of pure reality itself.

    And your handle fits you well. For you my friend are the traveler.

    Peace and love....

    P.
     
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    Very interesting. D:
    mmm so six dimensions are again unknown.
    well, for what i am doing on my fantasy - sci fi saga as work about dimensions i manage into that way:
    1 reality
    Upper dimensions:
    2 oniric plane we visit when we sleep.
    3 arcane plane ( high coscinece plane state. spirit, genies, mitological creatures, fairies, etc. )
    4 pre-existence plane: the plane when all creatures are before born, when they choose what they want to be into mortal life.
    5 upperworld plane, elemental and genius spirit and "godness" that create the phyisical laws of below dimensions.
    6 astral iperspace plane. free souls. teleport into every place of universe, just with thought.
    7 heaven plane , i guess is the mental plane when soul can materialize the reality with the mind.
    8 eternity plane. can possible to see all temporal lines, all the possibles life all the time and age of universe.
    9 divine plane, the house of God and of the more hightest and enlighted souls.
    NOTE: that is also "big bang plane" ALL creation and dimensions flows and originated from Here °U°, flash lux.

    lower dimention:
    -1 limbo: underworld of dead that are not damned or evil but also not good persons. they just stay here to meditate before rebirth.
    -2 "hell": a chaotic, nonsense, impossible dimension with total crazy mind and physical law where are the more evil and vicious spirits. they stay here until they cannot have the possibiliy of the rescued or saved, with prayer, guide, intercession of hightests souls or with self knowledge insight of their errors.
    -3 oblivion: the not-existence background of universe were are sealed the most vicious and evil spirits. absolutely to avoid.

    for what i have in mind that approcach can work, funny that my intuitions was so close to the reality about spiritual dimensions D:
     
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    Traveler,

    One thing to remember is our physical universe is also a spiritual dimension as well. However we are on the bottom scale in terms of vibrational frequency. As the physical is the coarsest, heaviest and densest dimension in the lower worlds of duality. Therefore strange as it may seem the lower astral is a step above us in terms of becoming closer to the center of true reality. There is a reason for this.

    While soul is incarnated in the physical a man can conceal his or hers true intentions. Therefor one can appear handsome or beautiful on a physical level but ones true self (should it be evil) can be concealed on the surface. Which is why lying, cheating, or having evil intentions can be hidden for a whole lifetime. However once one sheds the physical body and arrives on the astral plane the games changes. As the astral body is the vehicle of emotional awareness. So if those emotions are of a evil intent all will be reviled and laid bare for all to see. As ones true inner nature on the astral plane is in plain view. So lying or descending one can't work there. As your inner truth is now on the surface. So those who lead a very evil life will arrive on the lower astral plane with those of like mind. There they must work out their lower nature what ever it may be.

    Once these lower states of consciousness are work out. The vibration of the astral body changes to a slightly higher vibrational frequency as the lower parts of the atoms within the astral body falls away. They are replace with new atoms of a finer frequency. Then the person will leave that level of the astral plane where they are on and arrive now on a newer more higher level of consciousness with the new vibrational frequency that their astral body will respond to on that sub plane within the astral world. This is how the soul evolves in the astral world. As this is done in stages. At some point over time the soul will live out their lifetime on the astral where they will transcend beyond it into the mental plane. In which case the astral body is dropped just like the physical as the soul goes thru a second death on the astral. They will then awaken on the mental plane to live out their heaven life on that dimension. So when the astral life of a person is over, they die on the astral plane and leave behind a disintegrating astral corpse which some call a wrath. It will disintegrate over time and return the to the nature elemental of the astral world.

    Hope this tit bit of info helps.

    Love and peace.

    P.
     
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    Interesting.
    so, a soul can't lie, for the simple fact that the soul appereances are not falsificable and a soul show ever his true nature into his aspect...
    mmm, i not sure of that to 100%.
    I guess a skilled chettaed soul, at least to human, can appear also into other forms using mind trick or illusions. Some good and nice form for try to cheat and lie.
    that cheats maybe not works into spiritual astral and mental plane, but can work into physical plane.
    there are a lot of testimoniance about saints, when devil appear into fake forms like an angel or Lady Maria, for try to carry into temptation or error the poor saint man.
     
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    At least that can explain ufo phenomenom or hypnagogic states with alien abduction etc. i not think reticulans or "grey" are truely alien. i guess instead they are some kind of psychic demons of the lower astral plane that have fun to scarry peoples.
     
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    Remember, you're not sharing information. Your posts contain your opinions.
     
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    Agreed, Speedwell. A very complicated structure is being built up here based purely on opinion. We all have our own experiences which are very real to us, but not necessarily to other people. It needs to be made clear that posts of spiritual nature are our opinions and cannot be proved. What I worry about in this thread is that current ideas could well be worrying or even scaring new and younger people when they're stated as fact and 'instruction.'
     
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    i agree too. :\
    except for clear eventually PL memories, and some strange dream and vision, OBE or NDE, that are strickly subjective experience, or the trials of some rare scientist investigator about parapsicology and spiritual phenomenom, they are all speculations, incluse the existence itself of dark matter. there are some evidence, but not again a 100% total proofs. my job on books about dark matter, arcane matter elements, and conception of spiritual dimensions is strickly personal and subjective of my opinion about that. i not guess i have the absolute true about someone that no one can know before the death.
    also my astrologic knowledges, can be all true, and planet can affect with spiritual energy the probability laws of material reality, or maybe are just incredible coincidences. there is not any way for proof that planets really affect life on earth. except the physical influnece of sun and moon.
    the only curious fact about that is that each planet magnetic field have aspecific "sing" that can be converted into sounds, so each planet have a personal, magnetic, personality. never searched on youtube "sounds of mars, sounds of neptune, etc?" some planet have nice sounds of they energy some other are very creepy.

    i need to go now. have nice day, guys! :)
     
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    Traveler,

    From my experience of having OBE's over the years is that on the astral plane it's not our appearances on the surface that matters but rather our mental and emotion being from within that are conveyed there. Human emotions are universal no matter what language you may speak or culture you are from even on the physical world. You can always tell if a person is feeling sad, happy, joyful, anger ect.. However when you are on the astral those feelings are amplified many fold because no we don't have a physical dense body to conceal them anymore. Souls communicate on that dimension by either feelings or telepathically. So it's kind of hard to hid your true inner nature there because we are now operating on a higher dimension then the physical.

    This fact is well written in many books that are out there and by those that have had conscious OBE's experiences as the laws of physics on that dimension work much differently then here because we are working with finer more higher matter which responds to thought to feeling.

    This is just my experiences I have had while out of the body. However some may say this is just opinion. The only way to truly know is to have your
    own experience yourself for it to be reality to yourself.

    P.
     
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    i confess that i never had an OBE in all my life. and honestly i not want also to have cause i have fear to see the spiritual plane, or see any kind of things, cause i suffer of hypnagogic states some times when face very scarry things, the second motivation is cause i risket to die so many time that i not want to experiment a separation from my body, also if not forced.
    on my opinion, spiritual world can stay where is until my mortal days will end.
    despite that, you are true about the fact that emotions and feelings are an universal language of every culture. i can laugh or cry with an european, an african or an australian abo without any trouble.
    souls have not body and they are just mind, memories and feelings. so they appear exactly as they are, i understand your reason.
    but... what if a soul is a soul of a lier, or a cheatter, or a evil spirit?
    okay, a soul can't lie to other souls, they can see that immediatly and avoid the evil spirit. but what about a human that concat an evil spirit?
    a mortal can see the true nature of a spirit or a ghost? what tell your experiences about that?
     
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    Travler,

    Sorry for taking so long to get back with you been busy. I am sending you a link to help explains what happens to the astral body after death. This is knowledge that is not well known in common culture especially those in the west. As far as a evil spirit visiting a human on the astral plane that won't happen because everyone gravitates to their own sub-plane within the astral world in which their astral body vibrates at. Most human beings after death usually arrive on the middle astral world which is like our world only more of a perfect version of it. However a evil spirit can't go there because they do not resonate on that level. Instead they would be found on the lower astral plane instead. Now a soul that is on a higher level within the astral world can visit those who are on lower levels. However the reverse is not true. Those that exist on the lower astral can't visit the higher realms until the lower portions of astral matter in their astral body fall away and are replace with finer matter. Then they can leave the lower realms and transcend upward to higher realms. This is how the laws of physics work in the 4th dimensions. If this were not so then it would be utter chaos in the 4th dimension altogether and no one would evolve properly.

    As far as ghosts go for the most part they are nothing more then human beings that have died but have gotten stuck or lost in the lower astral and either don't know their dead or if they do know, they don't know how to get out of their situations. Which is why they try to contact the living on the earth plane but don't realize they can't be heard or seen generally. Many are afraid of being judge by the light for things they did in their past so they won't go into the light and remain stuck. However in time they eventually do although it may take a very long time for some, decades or even hundreds of our years before they transition properly. However souls of a evil intent can and do visit our world because we resonate on a lower frequency then the lower astral world. This is very rare because it take a lot of effort and knowledge on the entities part to manipulate physicals matter from where they are as they have to first manipulate etheric matter first as etheric matter is what sciences call dark matter or dark energy then use this to effect physical matter as the end result. But then again this is very very rare.

    So here is the link that will help explain all this. It's good knowledge to know before death. So you can take more control of your new environment once you pass on.
    Pleasant travels.

    P.

    https://pranaworld.net/life-after-death-desire-elementals-re-arrangement-of-astral-matter/

    Desire Elementals and re-Arrangement of Astral matter after death.
     
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    Polaris, please remember, "to help explains what happens to the astral body after death" not to state these things as though they are facts. What you are expressing is your own beliefs, or your own opinions.

    Previously you mentioned your own personal experiences. That is something which no one else can take away from you. But most of your posts don't talk about your experiences, instead you are promoting an ideology. Preaching or promoting such ideas is not within the remit of this forum's purpose.

    I suggest a review of the posting guidelines - worthwhile for everyone from time to time:
    http://www.reincarnationforum.com/threads/posting-guidelines.1305/
     
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    let's see, to understand phenomena I reason in terms of mental images or physical materials, because the physical world is the only thing that is given to me to know in this life.
    therefore I place it under the following metaphor:
    to make a physical comparison, it would be like a body made up of all 92 chemical elements. on the one hand the heavier elements such as astral uranium, tending to make it precipitate towards the lower planes and reality, while on the other hand the lighter substances, such as astral hydrogen, to make it rise upwards until it ascend to the divine level. if a spirit descends too much or reincarnates or remains trapped in stalemate (ghost) or experiences states of self-repentance pity (hell, limbo), if instead it manages to get rid of its pain and ties with the material, earthly world and with negative emotions , the heavy astral elements decay and dissolve and the soul becomes "lighter" and ascends towards the higher planes, until it reaches the one that is most congenial to it, because it has the same specific weight as its astral body.
    well, it's a pretty simple process to understand once you understand it, it's not that different from the chemical distillation processes. so the souls ... on the one hand their heavier and darker side tends to make them fall back down, on the other hand it tends to make them rise upwards through a process of spiritual distillation.
    The question I ask myself at this point is: But why in Western culture are the lower astral planes connected underground, as the underworld, under the physical world instead of being regarded as the basement of heaven?
    the objection I can make as a Christian is that this analysis does not consider a fact that the souls of the lower planes, however, can be saved by the intercession and love of the spirits of the higher planes. I think that the prayers of mortals and the good thoughts directed towards them by those still in physical life can also help them. in short, souls are not completely abandoned to themselves. the spirits of the higher planes, precisely by virtue of the sense of universal love and compassion that binds them to all things, should take care of the lost souls by helping them to ascend to their level. the problem is that lost souls can be in such a state of alienation and mental despair that they are blind and deaf, such a call because they see only themselves and their pains.
     
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    Travel, I enjoy what you wrote on here. You have a unique way of looking at things. To answer your question I don't know why in the past those in western culture thought of the lower astral or what some might term as Hell or purgatory as underground.

    This is just my opinion or observation but many back then did not understand the concept of other dimensions. As most of our culture views heaven and hell as either being above or below physically. When in fact they are not physical places but rather other dimensions that occupy the same space and time as we do but vibrate on different frequencies. I believe Jesus was aware of this because he stated ( the kingdom of God is within you seek and you shall find.) or (For many father house has many mansions I go and prepare a place for you. ) He was aware of the concept of other dimensions however many of the masses that lived at that time period did not know how to read or write little alone understand the concept of dimensions. So Jesus spoke in parables to illustrate what he was trying to convey to the people.

    In the you are correct. All souls are apart of divine love even if they are not aware of it at the time. We will all make mistakes along the way towards enlightenment. However those mistakes are also part of the process in the spiritual learning curve. As we live in worlds of duality here and must experiences both sides of reality.

    Peace and love to you.

    P.
     
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    Speedwell, I apologized if you took this the wrong way as that was not my intent. I was simply sharing information I have learned over the years along with some personal experiences I have had nothing more. Everyone comes for a unique perspective in term of spirituality, reincarnations, the soul and the afterlife ect... Which is why there are so many spiritual paths and belief systems on this planet. However none of them are right or wrong in and of themselves. They are just tools for us to use in learning about more about ourselves. It is what gives life such a wonderful diversity and texture in the tapestry we call life. However such topics should be PM with others in the form which you have helped me realized just now. I will try to use that tool in the future. You have such a diverse group of souls from many walks of life here which enrichens ones inner experiences on such topics. It also helps many out there to know that there are others out there that share more or less the state of awareness as themselves that they feel safe in expressing and sharing their experiences.

    Polaris
     
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    glad that you liked my response. ^_^
    well, that make sense. i'm here on that forum cause i am curious about spiritual things and i want to see also other stuff respect of classical religions dogma. i wanna see what thinks peoples about spiritual realms.
    well Jesus lived into a very poor and ignorant enviroment so for be understood from folks he used a lot of metaphor and tales for make sure that folks understand him.
    the temptative of explain the existence of such worlds can be a good expanations. i agree with the fact that are not physical dimensions like ancient folks believe. if hell and heaven was physical we would see angels, devils, ghosts and poltergeists, fairy, genius, leprecahuns and other kind of mithologic creatures in every plances of the world every day. but is not so easy. and maybe is a luck. i think that many of peoples will going total crazy with something like that.
    is like soul reaver, i not know if you never played him. the main character was an executed vampire that rebirth as a reaper and have the skill to switch itself from inferior astral plane (spectral realm) to material world. pity that his condition avoid him to see the more highter astral planes, but considering the amount of anger and frustration of his soul that make sense.
    legacy of kain was an interesting videoludic saga , pity that was cutted off on 2003 and doomed to oblivion. >.<

    well, is impossible for learn without mystake. peoples and souls need to learn from direct experiences for understand such things.
    also if someone told "the fools learn from experience, the wises from history". but without looking things with eyes, and touching with hands, sometime history is not sufficient for understand. :\
    each one is own spiritual path and own experience, the spiritual world is so big and complex, i guess, that i think that each creature, entity of godness of ancient mithology probably truely exist into the various planes.
    each one have his custom path because each soul see only what is true necessary to be seen and understood for the personal growth.
    i guess that if folks can't see spiritual things or can't remember pasted life, maybe is cause they are not useful for their spiritual grow and path into that life.
    maybe is the motivation cause only 30% of folks with NDE experiment visions of underworld-upperworld during the heartbrakes and the CPR manovures of doctors .
    maybe some see the oblivion just cause their soul can't see other thing because is too much heaver and material? or maybe cause is not necessary for these souls for see the other realms for grow up.
    i'm not sure. personally i refuse that after death there is only a dark endless void, but i guess that maybe for some souls that kind of no-existences is the states when their falls cause of their different self knowledge of perception. so they not see nothing because they can't see it, also if it exist.
    but just is only my speculations.
    regards! :)
     

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