Tomo - Japanese / scottish case of 2000

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  1. SleeplessFox

    SleeplessFox New Member

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    Hello there

    I was wondering if you guys are familiar with this asian case:

    https://www.academia.edu/12232504/A_Case_of_a_Japanese_Child_with_Past-Life_Memories

    A japanese child from the Kansai region that told his parents (and the author of the above link) about his past life as a scottish boy that died in 1997. As the article says in the beginning, it's an unsolved case. I for myself however think it's one of the best cases I've ever heared of. There are so many unbelievable details that can only be explained by the reincarnation theory.

    I'm curious about your thoughts!

    Cheers
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  2. GuySittingintheStands

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    Intriguing but still unsolved. Relatively short time between the death of a British/Scottish child in Oct 1997 in Scotland and his supposed rebirth in Japan to Japanese parents in 2000, given the extraordinary distance between Scotland and Japan. I read the paper and it looks like figuring out the name of the hospital will be key to solving this long distance case. The Japanese toddler told his mother that the name of the hospital in which the previous personality died (a 9-year-old British/Scottish boy who lived in Edinburgh and was apparently the son of a local restaurant owner/ restauranteur ) was "Muginba Paresu", about 115 km north of Edinburgh, Scotland.
    Could "Paresu" be Perth, Scotland? I couldn't find anything corresponding to "Muginba" (or "Mugin" of . . .) as the name of hospital, especially a 13-story hospital, anywhere in Scotland, but maybe someone else might come up with something. The paper is about 6 years old.
     
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    Thanks for your answer!
    However I'd like to know your personal opinion on that case? Considering the subjects given information and it's behavior I've got the impression he definitely used to be a scottish boy even if some of the hardcore facts (date of birth & death) might not be exactly right... Many japanese are having difficulties speaking the english language and this little man just sang along to an old Carpenters song from the 70's ?! Japanese are also often a little prude and introverted. Why should a young boy talk about his ejaculation in a former life? Even if it actually happened to a japanese child at the age of 9: I'm pretty sure no one would tell his mother about that.

    If you ask me: it's too weird to be untrue!

    cheers
    SF
     
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    Am I the only one who's fascinated by that case? :-(
     
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    I haven't read that article (requires more info than I'm willing to provide for it), but we have to be aware that there might be other explanations for having perceived memories or abilities that seem unexplainable.

    This brings to mind a book by Ian Stevenson & others about a Polish clairvoyant who lived during the first half of the last century, Stefan Ossowiecki.

    He demonstrated a special kind of clairvoyance and psychometry that allowed him to witness and recount in detail what people were looking like, doing, thinking at the time of handling a given object. Very impressive, rigorously tested, and well documented.

    What he was describing could be easily confused with past life memories.

    See attached how he describes his experience:

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  6. GuySittingintheStands

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    Except that the little Japanese boy spoke of events that happened several years before his birth in a country 9000 km from where he was living.

    How could one tell the difference between a memory based on psi (all of our past lives and all of our present lives, and even all of our lives between lives, are connected and therefore accessible) vs. a memory based on reincarnation. Or do you think there such a thing as reincarnation? I don't doubt that the psi connection is real at some level of reality and can operate over vast distances. But there are enough accounts of young children describing the process of their rebirth, choosing their parents etc., not to mention birth defects and birth marks, to really doubt some MORT (memories of the reincarnation type).
     
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    Thank you very much for your answer. I've never heard of Ossowiecki before. Unfortunately there are barely english articles that document his life. Most of them, for sure, are written in Polish.
    How did you learn about him?



    First of all: I feel honored that this specific topic made you come back to the forum!!!

    That's why I'm here and why I'm studying cases like this one.

    I just was expecting some personal/emotional thoughts from the community about Tomo's case because it's one of the cases that really make me believe in the concept of reincarnation. I don't know why I still have inner doubts about CORTs. I just want to "get used" to it and free my skeptic mind...
     
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    Are you referring to Tomo's ability to peel garlic with his left hand although he's a right-hander?
    Just to point out another detail via google/Wikipedia:

    "Japanese love to eat foods with garlic. It's just garlic is maybe not so much used a lot at home."

    Not to mention that the Scottish kitchen / the Scottish themselves really like dishes that contain a certain quantity of garlic ;-)

    Sure, it still doesn't discredit your argument that says it's possible that people perceive memories or abilities which are unexplainable. However, your argument could refute the whole reincarnation theory itself except the cases in which children were born with birthmarks/disabilities. Sorry if I'm being too pushy here....
     
  9. GuySittingintheStands

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    Condensed version:

    Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 27, No. 4, 2013: 625-636 (published Jan 31, 2014)

    “A Case of a Japanese Child with Past-Life Memories.”

    Ohkado Masayuki, Faculty of General Education, Chubu University, Aichi, ohkado@isc.chubu.ac.jp

    “This article reports the case of a Japanese child who claims to have lived in Edinburgh, Scotland, in his past life. His statements are basically compatible with a possible life in Edinburgh, and some of them are quite striking. He shows a strong desire to go back to his previous mother. The search for the past-life personality has not been successful and the case is at present unsolved. However, the present article shows the existence of a clear Case of the Reincarnation Type (CORT) in Japan.”

    “The subject, Tomo, is a Japanese boy living in the Kansai region. He was born in Jan 2000. When the subject was 11 m old, he began to show behavior that can be interpreted as related to his past-life personality. When he was 3.11 y.o., he started talking about his past-life memories as a boy living in Edinburgh and continued to do so until his father took him to Edinburgh to look for the mother of his past-life personality when he was 7.6 y.o..…. nformation about the subject’s statements and behavior came from the subject’s parents, especially his mother, who kept a detailed diary. ….. It is worth pointing out that at the time of the first interview, the subject was saying “I still have a visual image of my British mother,” “I still want to go to the UK to meet my mother,” and “You’ll see, when I become old, I’ll go there myself.” He also remembered a phrase “John, John, very my John, John,” which he repeatedly said when he recalled a dog he kept in his past life. ….. When the subject was 11 m.o., he was very attracted by the roman letters he saw on TV commercials such as “AJINOMOTO,” “TOYOTA,” etc. Before he learned any Japanese letters, he learned some roman letters. At 2.9 or 2.10 y.o., he signed his name as “tomo” using roman letters…. Also around this time (at 2.9 or 2.10 y.o.), when he heard the English song “Top of the World” for the first time, he was able to sing along, which greatly surprised his mother.”

    “At 3.11 y.o., the subject and his mother had the following conversation (as recorded in the [mother’s] diary):

    Subject: I want to peel garlic. Mother: Why do you want to do that? Subject: I did this before I came to be called “Tomo.” Mother: What? What do you mean? Subject: I was a child of a restaurant in the UK before I came to be called “Tomo.” Mother: When was he born? Subject: He was born on August 9th, 1988. I was called ‘Geiris.’ I lived in a seven-story building. Mother: Where is the former “Tomo” [referring to the past-life personality] now? Subject: He had a high fever of 45 C [113 F] and died.

    Because the subject insisted on peeling garlic, the mother bought and handed garlic to the subject the next day. …. [H]e peeled garlic with his left hand, which is surprising because he is right-handed. He became left-handed only when he peeled garlic. The mother recorded the conversion he had on that day as follows:

    Mother: Tomo, have you ever peeled garlic? Subject: Yes. I have done this when I was “former Tomo.” Mother: Who is “former Tomo?” Subject: Tomo who was born on August 9th.

    ….. when he saw a globe at a store, he pointed out the UK (the upper region) and said “Tomo lived around here.” When they went back home and his mother showed him a map of the UK, the subject pointed to around Edinburgh and said “I lived in ‘Edinbia.’”

    ….. [When the subject was 4 y.o. he said:] “When British Tomo died between 24th and 25th of October 1997, British mother looked troubled. She was saying, ‘Now there are only five of us.’ When the surprised mother asked him, ‘What? Did you see that?’ he replied, ‘Yes. They buried me.’

    ….. “British mother often said ‘I love you.’” [Japanese mothers rarely say this.]

    ….. “In the UK, I bathed in milk (bath).” Pointing to the washbasin, the subject repeatedly said “Washbasin” in English. “In the UK, I took ‘healing herb.’” Making his mother hold him, and imitate as if she gave a glass of healing herb to him, he said, “British mother said to me ‘Take this, take this. It will help you feel better.’ ….. The subject tried to explain what he ate in his past-life. “With chopped carrots and Japanese radish-like vegetables, with cheese. We heated it for about 4 minutes and when the cheese melt, we eat it.” ….. [At 4.1 y.o.:] “When I was British Tomo, on Feb 16th, white liquid came out of my penis for the first time.” …..

    [Also at 4.1 y.o.:] “I got on a double-decker bus. The money I used was not yen, but pound.” [At 4.2 y.o.:] “My mother made me drink ‘healing grass’ mixed with pineapple juice, but I knew it was medicine.” “There was a special shopping mall in front of our restaurant. They sold Japanese soy sauce.” (His mother thought this statement remarkable because it was unlikely that the subject, who had never been abroad, would know that soy sauce is Japanese seasoning.)”

    “British Tomo was hospitalized at ‘Muginba Paresu’ [as transcribed in the diary in Japanese letters] hospital. At first no room was available. When room 4 on the 13th floor became available, four of us, father, mother, (elder) brother, and me went there by car. It was 115 km from my house to the hospital. Since it was far away, we used a highway. …. In the hospital, there was a place like a bath, and there was a doctor who put powder medicine into hot water and massaged me. The treatment didn’t work and I had an operation. I had a fever of 40 C [104 F] [figure different when he first stated about his death] and died.”

    [At 4.7 y.o.:] Subject: (Seeing a picture in a picture book titled Human Body, in which food sticks in a person’s throat) “Oh, no! This guy has become British Tomo!” Mother: “Did British Tomo die because something stuck in his throat?” Subject: “I had throat disorders. I was hospitalized and stayed on the seventh floor of a 13-story hospital. I felt so sick and died.” Mother: “Did you die of asthma, perhaps?” Subject: “Yes. The healing herb didn’t cure me, either. The former Tomo was weak and died young. So, this time I chose a strong body.”

    (Watching news of a train crash) “There was also a train accident in the UK, in Southall. I watched the news on TV. It said ‘Accident! Accident!’ Two trains collided, and a fire occurred. Eight people died.”

    “The blood type of British Tomo was B. I was weak and couldn’t exercise, and there were many things I wanted to do.” Mother: “Why did you recall British Tomo?” Subject: (Crying) “I want to meet my British mom.”

    [At 4.9 y.o.:] (About a meal the subject ate in his past-life) “I ate Chili Con Carne. Red kidney beans were in it and it was hot.” [He had never eaten the dish in the present life.] [At 5 y.o.:] “I died between 24th and 25th of Oct, 1997.” Mother: “How did you know that you died?” Subject: “My British mother looked troubled. She said ‘Now only five of us were left.’” Mother: “Did you see that?” Subject: “Yes, I did.” Mother: “Then, what did you do?” Subject: “I was doing something like riding on a slide or on the escalator of a 25-story building.”

    ….. “British Tomo was hospitalized in Muginba Paresu hospital. At first there was no room available. Then, room 4 of the 13th floor became available, so my father, mother, brother, and I went there. We used a highway because the hospital was far away. It was located 115 km to the north from my house….. In the hospital, in a bath-like place, a doctor poured powder medicine into hot water and massaged me. It didn’t work and I had an operation. But I had a high fever of 40 C [104 F] and died. My house was about 30 seconds away from the station. There was news of a train crash. TV said ‘News! News!’ and I saw crashed trains on TV.” [At 5.6 y.o.:] From room 4 on the 13th floor, I could see fireworks.”

    (cont'd in next post)
     
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    “Like many other CORTs, the subject showed a strong emotion to go back to see his “previous” mother. Also, like other CORTs, the subject states that he had some unfinished job in his past life. …..Most of [his] statements concerning his life in Edinburgh seem to be compatible with a possible life in Edinburgh and beyond the knowledge an ordinary Japanese person, including the subject’s parents, would have. Especially striking is the subject’s statement about the train accident that occurred at Southall station in the UK, which did take place on September 19, 1997. The subject’s father, who had regarded the subject’s statements as mere imagination, changed his attitude when he searched for the information about the train crash and found that there was an incident in the Southall station in 1997. He decided to take the subject to Edinburgh to look for his “British mother.” From August 1st to 8th, 2008 (when the subject was 90 m old), the subject and his father went to the UK…..They stayed in Edinburgh for three days, looking for the past-life personality’s house in vain. The subject’s father said, “I thought my son would easily find the way to his house once we got to Edinburgh. If I had known that this would not necessarily be the case, I would have made more preparation.” …..

    [In addition to interviewing the family] “[t]he investigation … included an Internet search based on the subject’s statements, calling for information from people connected to the UK, including members of the Society for Psychical Research and the Scottish Society for Psychical Research, and visiting Edinburgh myself in 2011. At present, however, the search for the past-life personality has been unsuccessful.”

    It turned out that no death comparable to the present case seems to be recorded in the city of Edinburgh. ….. I consulted with the National Record of Scotland, whose role includes the administration of the registration of births, deaths, marriages, divorces, and adoptions in Scotland, and Mr. Blair Kane helped me with this search and checked all the death books for the Edinburgh area for the year 1997. According to Mr. Kane, there were no deaths of children in that age range. Nor were there any cases of asthma-related deaths in those months.”…..

    “The present case falls into a category of long-distance cases, in which the subject’s family belongs to a different community from the past life personality’s family. The subject’s family has no connection to the UK, nor were they in the country around the time of conception, which echoes the following words of Stevenson (2001:238): “[F]or the majority of long-distance cases I have no clues whatever as to why the subject was born in his family. Nor have the informants for the cases.” Concerning long distance cases Stevenson also (2001:242) says that “[t]he majority of the subjects of cases in which the two families are not related or acquainted speak of a life that was lived within a radius of 25 km from the subject’s home.” The distance between Edinburgh and the subject’s present residence (9,154 km) is unusually long. This exceptional characteristic makes the case all the more interesting.”

    “Conclusion. This article reports a case of a Japanese child who claims to remember his past life. Despite the subject’s detailed statements concerning his past life, the search for his past-life personality has not been successful and the case is “unsolved.” However, some of the highly specific information the subject gave and the unusual behavior the subject showed are strongly indicative of the paranormal nature of the present case. The overall pattern of the development of the case shows that CORTs can be observed in modern Japan.”

    “Notes ….. The mother worried about the subject’s unusual statements including past life memories, and consulted [a] psychiatrist, who diagnosed him with Asperger’s Syndrome. In the [mother’s] diary, the name is written as “ge-i-ri-i-su” in Japanese letters. The subject’s mother, who does not speak English, naturally chose to write it down in Japanese, and if the subject had pronounced the word in English (or English-like pronunciation), the transcript might not be very reliable.”

    “…..Dr. Jim Tucker of the University of Virginia, … read an early version of this paper and gave invaluable comments.”

    (end)
     
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    I was searching for books by Ian Stevenson, and found this book:
    "A World In A Grain Of Sand: The Clairvoyance Of Stefan Ossowiecki".
     
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    I was referring to the possibility that some "past life memories" might actually be information perceived clairvoyantly, like the experiences described in Ian Stevenson & others' book about Ossowiecki, information about other people's lives across the space-time.

    If interested, you can browse a book preview at books.google, and read the descriptions of some of his experiences.
     
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    WOW! Thank you so mouch for your work! I had no idea there was a published print media that contained this case!! It slidely differs from the entry on academia.edu but also adds new details. Great!!

    I'm not a psychologist, but it's often said that children who "suffer" from autism or Asperger syndrome can't tell lies like peoplpe that are not affected by developmental disorders.

    Again & again: thank you!
    I really was searching for such a "professional" statement on the internet. However one doesn't know what he said in detail, right?


    And just to add something to my prior postings: there's no indication that might tell us Tomo is clairvoyant since he never did things or said things that step out of his memories of a past life like in the case of the "Oklahoma boy" Ryan Hammons (a well known Jim Tucker case). Therefore I personally would not assume that he "just perceived knowledge" of a deceased person. I'm not a die hard protectionist of the reincarnation theory but there's little evidence that makes us believe Tomo knows more than just details of a life of a Scottish child that used to live in the late 80's/ 90's.


    And also a big Thank You to all involved users on that topic! I'm so pleased that we kind of set the ball rolling now again :)
     

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