What do you think about miscarriages? Soul or not yet?

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  1. Christina Conrad

    Christina Conrad Member

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    I am curious, do you think a fetus has a soul or do they not get them until birth? I have watched medium shows where sometimes the medium talks about relatives that have crossed over and tell they they are with the soul of the miscarried child. I have always wondered about it. I had 2 miscarriages before my daughter was born. It sucked when they happened but both were early on and I haven't dwelled on it. I have 2 healthy kids now and they are ages 23 and 16. I really seldom think about the unfinished pregnancies but when I see shows like I mentioned above it just makes me wonder!
     
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    Hi Christina, I think it depends how far along in the pregnancy the miscarriage happened. Based on my own pre-birth memory, the soul usually doesn't start connecting with the body until at about 6 months in. The connection point is the brain, so that makes sense as the fetus brain doesn't get larger until that time. Earlier than that, the soul of the incoming baby may contact the mother in the mom's dreams, but won't inhabit the fetus body yet.
     
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    Hi Christina,

    I was reading Brian Weiss' book Only Love Is Real and in it he says that when a fetus is developing in the womb, a soul can stake a claim on the 'baby' and can leave/enter the body at will until birth (or shortly before). So if someone were to miscarry, the soul would simply move on to another body.

    I don't think there's anyway to be 100% certain but I find his theory to be comforting.
     
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  4. fireflydancing

    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I don't think there is only one system involved.
    If there is a miscarriage about to come (medical) than I suppose a 'new' soul should be aware of that. At the same time I can imagine situations in which an unborn soul wants to be close to the mother, although it won't be for a long time. Just sharing the feelings of love together. I can even imagine the same soul repeat this over and over again with the same mother (multiple miscarriages).
    I know the story of a friend, who met - in spirit - the girl that was not born with her sister. This friend asked about this question, why this spirit came, knowing that there was a miscarriage about to come. And the spirit-girl answered that she was drawn to this entire family, she wanted to be part of it. The most beautiful part of this story is that my friend invited this girl to be her future daughter, and they both agreed. In the mean time this sister received three boys. I cannot say that I really understand how it all works. I can say that I was already aware of the presence of my own children, even before conception.
     
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  5. Gypsy8

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    Because of the memory I have that appeared to be at my birth, of the soul memories of past lives and those yet to come as it came into the dark place that was my newborn body, I have always believed the soul enters at birth. And it just makes sense to me that at conception, we receive a part of each parent's soul, and it's that which provides what is needed to start the process of conception, and to keep it going until birth, when our soul enters and takes over. Of course there isn't any way to prove any of it.

    I had two miscarriages, one in January and the other on Thanksgiving in the same year. Normally the one miscarried in January would have been my second baby. My mother and my sisters all had their babies two years apart, and so did I. There's four years between my first and second one, and two between the last three. My second baby totally wore me out, keeping me up all night every night, crying, for the first three weeks of her life. I always said it was because she'd been rejected twice, with the miscarriages, and was letting me know how she felt about that.
     
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    I think the soul is binded to the fertilized egg at conception - but the knowing this life will be miscarried is already understood.

    My daughter was stillborn at 6months gestation. I felt her spirit was with me from her conception - that there was a door between my womb and the spirit world where she could easily move from one to the other

    (she had her claim to this life - but was not yet fully inhabiting the fetus as of yet. Periodically she would experience the fetus body - but I felt her more as a glorious energy fully mature) It was her home though - it was not an empty body not yet inhabited.

    I believe it was her intention to die, or that a new opportunity came up for her - but she knew the experience of losing her was more benificial for my growth as her mother - then for her growth as my daughter. She came in for me - to grow me - and that was very generous of her - to come in for a short time to help me feel loss and appreciate life. She was a helper.
     
  7. Christina Conrad

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    Thanks for your input. I am sorry about your loss. Being 6 months into a pregnancy had to be so very hard. It's amazing you are so positive about it. Mine were so early on and I never felt a big attachment. It sucked when it happened, and I was sad and hormonal but it's nothing like your situation.
     
  8. Ljbellus

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    Wab,j, I am sorry this happened to you. I am glad that you feel the way you do. I have always thought that for one person to experience something, then some other people have to agree to let them experience that.

    If I have to experience grief, then someone has to agree to be the source of that grief. That kind of thing.

    I had a miscarriage many years ago now. My next pregnancy resulted in twins. I like to think that the baby I lost came back to me, as well as the one I was supposed to have next.

    I guess I'll never really know though.
     
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    I had a memory in regression work.. of being in the womb of my present life with a twin sister.. I have developed our story by other regressions and our relations go deep.

    I remember her being with me for the first month in utero .. And then she passed on .. I felt the grief just as if I had known of her in life.. This phenomena called womb twins is rather common .. the fetus can reabsorbed by moms body and she will never have know the other had existed..

    I beleive my sister at that point as a fetus came with me as a purposeful help to me. In regression to the bardo before this life I remember being a ghost. I did not want to come back. My twin sister came to me in spirit and invited me back.. If not for her love and determination to contact me as a ghost I may still be trapped in the ghost state..
     
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    My personal belief is that the body and the soul form a symbiotic relationship, and the developing fetus is the vessel that will house the soul. The soul can come and go at will and will sometimes be in the body in the womb and sometimes maybe just hanging around the mother. My personal belief is that birth is when the soul attaches permanently to the body. If the soul wants these parents, but the body that is growing is not viable, and there is a miscarriage, that soul may come back and try again with the same mother.
     
  11. Myna

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    This is the mystery that I'm trying to figure out. What strange was during my 2nd preg, even few months before I saw some souls were waiting to be MY baby, basically they seem trying to fight over the spot for new body. 3 of them even made apparition in my mind & chatted telepathically. 1 was a toddler who passed away at age 3-4, I guess, the way how he spoke & his body size looked like kindergarten kid. He was so in grief for being separated with his mom, I tried to comfort him. 2 was a teenager, she looked so pretty got long dark hair & tall well proportioned asian body posture. she asked me if she could come with me. 3rd was a very full of temper, easily get angry western dark hair boy age 7-10 yrs old. Not sure about hair color, all are dark hair, coz dont look white which might be blond color in physical body). They all look transparent somehow the lucidity surround is really weak & greeny. Since I was waiting for a specific soul to reincarnate back, I couldn't tell them yes, I actually cried & told them sorry that I can't now, but maybe in the future preg in case I decide to have another baby. That's what I told them in my mind & also after I was completely awake. I was too busy with other stuff, I totally forgot to tell them that they should go to the light. I regreted this.

    So I assume a soul or more than 1 soul of our kid are always around us & wait evtl. Fight for the spot, in case more than 1 soul interested to reincarnated with the same choice of parents. I think it depends how our mind (works as magnet) as mother, which energy we release that moment, would attract the nearest energy of the waiting soul at the moment during giving birth. However, 1 month before giving birth, in the end I see the face of my final future baby, but this the face of the physical one when the baby already 2 yrs old tho.

    I assumed this way; I can't guarantee 100%
     
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  12. GlowingGuy

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    I believe in a logical model that describes why a soul would join your life at the moment of conception, meaning zygote. This is mainly because of the concept of karma, which means the karma of the soul would shape the development of the zygote as the cells divide and mutate, therefore customizing the body to match the karma of the soul ... like the beauty or ugliness of the appearance, defects, allergies, etc. As such, a soul would join at zygote and spend the term of the entire pregnancy customizing the new body to fit the karma of the soul to then be born into a lifetime with inherent dispositions that can have profound impacts on the life ahead.

    The above describes the karma customization once a soul joins with a mother. But, prior to that, which soul joins with which mother also depends also on karma. For example, some mothers might give birth in a jail or in an impoverished country or where both parents would argue and fight often (a broken home). As such, the soul with the karma that best qualify for a new spot (during a conception such as during intercourse) would be drawn in, therefore becoming finalized and reality once the zygote forms. By "qualified", I mean a soul that has recently died looking to reincarnate into a human body by karma qualification. But, please note the quality of the soul now varies because according to Google, there are 131.4 million human births versus 55.3 million human deaths per year which leaves a difference of 76.1 million human births without human souls so that souls of non-human origin is being drawn in (and, as a reminder, the forum guidelines does not allow discussions about animal-to-human reincarnation).

    So, as far as miscarriage is concerned, there can obviously be biological and physical causes, not necessarily known by the mother, like there might be a type of toxin in your environment that might be causing miscarriages and you might not know until scientists notice later there is an unusual number of miscarriages to start a research to discover why, as an example (or be left undiscovered in the modern polluted world). But, otherwise, the gap of 76.1 million human souls per year should logically mean souls of varying types and quality are being drawn into the human population. And, so, during that karma-customization of pregnancy, some non-human souls simply aren't compatible with the human body and therefore would fail and die, resulting in a miscarriage. As a reminder, there are some babies who are born and then die suddenly, such as dubbed as the "sudden infant death syndrome" (SIDS), which would also likely be a non-human soul reincarnating into a body that's too incompatible with what that soul qualifies for therefore dying as result.

    Overall, this implies a random draw of luck during the moment of conception because there is no way you would know what type of soul is waiting to reincarnate at that very moment. Hopefully, this posting makes rational sense; and a successful model should be able to explain and describe all of the details. Please let me know if I'm missing an angle or if you see a flaw.
     
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    From the information available from people who have done between life regressions, it seems the soul connects with the baby at around about 3 months into the pregnancy, although not always. Sometimes it is at conception and sometimes moments before or after birth, although that is rare. The 'average' is about 3 months or so. This is also when mothers often begin to feel the 'quickening' - when the baby becomes much more active.

    Some people have described being able to pop in and out of the baby's body - often hovering around their parents, connected by the 'silver thread', observing what is going on in the world. Of course things do go wrong. There can be accidents and illnesses and things that are not necessarily planned. There is not always a single 'rule' that applies to everyone.
     
  14. GlowingGuy

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    Tanguerra, your example of a "silver thread" and going "in and out" as well as how things can go wrong seems to be compatible with my explanation where my explanation is from a meta view where the zygote would mutate, grow, and divide, such as based on someone's karma ... and, should there be problems, then what you described sounds like what the person would experience going in and out of the baby's body as if slipping between consciousness and not sure if the soul should bail on the body, similar to how too much trauma can cause the soul of an adult to become disembodied. Meaning, I'm implying unconsciousness, coma, and death were designed more as a protective mechanism so the soul doesn't suffer too much and can slip into a numb trance while the body attempts to repair itself ... and, the soul can bail if the body is too damaged and the suffering would be too great to continue any further. So, your description of slipping in and out seems to describe the delicate process of the formation of a new body (an embryo) ... such as especially since the new body is in its most fragile and delicate phases.

    As such, concerning regression sessions, why not take the earliest memory instead of an average? And, according to you, there has been recorded instances of memories from conception. And, as I've explained in my previous post, it would make sense because of karma should the customization of a body start at zygote since this is a body a soul will be "stuck" with for a lifetime ... therefore should be carefully tailored to that soul lest that soul suffer or gain advantages unfairly as result ... and, based on the logical model of life I've described in other postings and website, life is carefully designed, accurate, and precise ... such as to train souls to become angels one by one through reincarnation.

    As far as regression sessions are concerned, I'm reserving my opinion having never experienced one to have an opinion. However, there doesn't seem to be much scientific exploration to try to formalize the details ... such as should some people have memories from conception while others do not, then a scientific curiosity should ask why not? Take someone with memories from 3 months for example ... does that person have any memory of being elsewhere prior to 3 months, meaning is there evidence that the soul didn't enter the body prior to 3 months? Or, might that person be focused on something else such as because memories are only important if they leave an impression? Did something happen that prevented memories from forming? Are there verification of these regression sessions? Are there designed scientific experiments to verify the validity of these memories, such as seeing if a patient can repeat the details of a complex dream for example? ... such as because a true memory can be repeated with a reasonable amount of accuracy.

    My statements are based on what I've read from Dr. Brain Weiss's books where he seemed to have recorded the memories of his patients and seemed eager to publish the details and share them with the world ... such as without much hashing and refinement. Whereas, my approach has been doing scientific modelling that logically explains the purpose of the details of life ... and, to my recent delight, I now have a logical model that seems to explain all of the big deals of life, like why there is reincarnation, love, children, gender, sexuality, etc. And, from this model, I've offered the explanation about the customization of a new body based on a soul's karma from the time of the zygote ... because it would only be fair if a body is customized specifically for one soul since that one soul will be living with that body for a lifetime ... so, therefore, all competitions should've ended at conception ... as if souls might act like magnets driving individual sperm cells to see which one can fuse with an egg ... but, once fused, then the race is over and the shaping of the body must start and be focused on the karma of that single soul in order for that body to be properly and fairly shaped based on that individual's karma.

    Hopefully, this makes rational sense and describes a well-designed system of life, such as designed by angels.
     
  15. Norton

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    From my research.
    In more than one tradition souls do struggle to be the one incarnated. Almost always the one who is most suited will be the one. This could be because the one who is to be incarnated was , as Alan Watts put it 'the gleam in the fathers eye' *wink* and since putting events into motion this soul will be the one incarnated.
    So apparently the soul hovers around the parents, the urge happens, conception - and then the soul hovers around the mother . During the second trimester the soul starts becoming able to exist inside the fetus , but it still is not really bonded to the body until it takes it's very first unaided breath. And even then the soul can leave the child's body easily if the body cannot sustain it because it is still has all it's memories of the last world since the neurological circuits of the baby are not developed yet - and it's our minds that bar us fossilized adults entry to the other realities :)
     
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    In my regression to womb, I was about 1 month after joining the fetus, and 5 months before birth, which happened at term. At the time, although aware of being a soul incarnating, anxious to get out and start my life, I didn't have much recollection about my soul identity.
    Some "life between lives" regressionists report that there are extremely rare, if any, the cases in which a soul joins a fetus that is miscarried, or passes away during birth.
     
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    I am very in tune with my body, I am empathic and, I have a very vivid imagination. As such, I am 100 percent convinced that the 2 miscarriages I had, I was very connected to the souls that were within me. We are genetically connected to the lives that form within us and a genetic imprint of them stays with us always. During my first pregnancy and miscarriage, I was not as in tune with my body and able to connect as well because I had (from a very young age) depression and of course after the miscarriage I also got hit hard with post partum and yes, you don't have to be that far a long to be hit with this. I got myself on a medication that helps to take the "noise" (overthinking clutter/clamour) out of my mind and with the second pregnancy I was better in tune with everything.
    So, during my second pregnancy, I was able to emotionally communicate with my baby...not words, just emotions and concepts, and it was communicated to me that he or she would not be staying long. Even though I knew this, it was still very difficult. But, I got through it. Then, not a month later, I got pregnant again to my now almost 14 month old son. I had a bit of a hard time with him at first because he was so close to the last loss that I wasn't sure if I should let myself get too emotionally close, or attached. However, he was and is a little fighter and is definitely here with a purpose. What that is, I'm not sure, but, I know that he is special. I mean, it was a miracle I got pregnant at all, and twice in the span of 2 months. I have something called Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome and tried for a good 10 years to get pregnant and nothing. Then suddenly, I'm almost 40 and I'm getting pregnant. It was surreal. Every ultrasound in the first few months I went in hoping for the best but some small part of me expecting the worst (because that's all I had ever experienced previously), but my little one was strong and thriving. He still is and he is so smart...it's amazing to watch him think things through and try new things (reaching new milestones). He is my little hero, my miracle baby. He has taught me so much all ready. To close here and I apologize for my babbling, I do heartily believe that even young babies in the womb can have a soul. I don't know if they all do, but I know my particular miscarried babies did.
     
  18. KenJ

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    Welcome to the forum SoulScribe777, your story indicates that you are a "fighter" yourself. What brought you to this forum, and how does reincarnation fit into your life experiences and beliefs?
     
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    I personally believe that the soul enters the body when the baby is born, so I don't think that a foetus has a soul yet.
     
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    Thank you Ken and I'm sorry for the late reply... I am a fighter for sure and I think a lot of Virgos are. Reincarnation is just a small part of a greater picture. Metaphysics and Christianity brought me to where I am today spiritually.
     

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