What's the reason behind it all?

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  1. fireflydancing

    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    My option too. Based on a spiritual experience in which I was shown a lot. Curiosity was also a big item.

    Apart from this: the only logical explanation beyond time and space is to assume that matter and non-matter all originate from one source. It’s the only explanation for questions like: What was before the Big Bang? I see it very clear, but I think I am not a good translator in this field. It’s all about consiousness. All you notice around you was created at some point. We are all one big consiousness in multiple forms. There is not one big God, because God is us ourselves. The trees as well. The wind as well. Mijn grandfather as well. The Sun and the Moon as well. My enemies and Darkness as well.
    At the same time, as a paradox, concentrated forms of consiousness can call themselves ‘god’, just because they are. Doesn’t exclude us being God as well.
     
  2. Cyrus

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    I only see naked statements with not even an attempt to somehow justify them logically. Plotinus compared to this is much more explicit, and even Plotinus sounds japanese most of the time. It all looks well like the science-fiction novel "The Maker of Universes" by Philip J. Farmer, where a very bored ordinary gentleman from some fairly advanced extra-terrestrial civilization creates universes and populates them with humans from this planet, just for his fun. He creates universes just as nowadays some nature-lovers create (or buy already pre-fabricated) ant-hills, in transparent plastic cubicles, to watch and govern (right from their homes) the life of a big colony of ants.

    I'm a physicist by education, and I just don't understand how energy (a well defined physical concept) can be related to smth. so abstract as love. To say nothing of such "pearls" as positive/negative (in the sense of electric charges) energies and the like.

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  3. SeekerOfKnowledge

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    Thoughts create electric energy, just enough to be measurable. I have read somewhere that the magnetic field around the heart is then thousand times stronger than the magnetic field around the brain. Which would mean that feelings are related to energy.
    And I wish I could find out more about people loosing a certain amount of weight in the moment of death. How much was it again? 18 grams or something.
     
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    fireflydancing just a fly in the sky Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I think there is one difference with your exemple of the bored gentleman.
    It’s about creating and inhabiting a place at the same time. You make it and live it at the same time.
     
  5. Jim78

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    Hi Cyrus. One has to look beyond science. I can't explain it but I had an NDE in 1998 and I experienced creation as love and synergy...oneness.

    There are other routes that can be taken to experience that feeling but that's been my experience.

    Love might not be something that can be measured by science but one cannot deny its existence. Its binds people together... is it so hard to believe that it binds creation? ( by creation I mean spiritual realms also ) The world is but a walking shadow after all.
     
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    How do we know the first humans here on Earth weren't migrated from some other place some time AFTER the creation? The missing link and all that. And migration is not the only way.
    As Mauro Biglino (ex-translator from hebrew of Vatican) says, the homo sapiens might have been created from homo erectus through genetic engineering by the Biblical Elohims (adding pieces of their own DNA) to provide themselves with slaves, capable of understanding their orders. I'm not sure, but it looks like it was Zecharia Sitchin's idea (I never read Sitchin), after deciphering old sumerian tablets.
     
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    Energy to love, thought, etc. is like money to the construction of a new, say, ship. It's necessary, but not enough: you need smth. called know-how, as well.
    Energy is very low-parametric, so to say, you cannot put too many details into it.
     
  8. Jim78

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    In that case Cyrus where does consciousness come from?
     
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    A materialistic answer would be smth. like the consciousness is a by-product of brain physiological activity.

    This was the only explanation I believed in before I read Michael Newton.

    Now I can only confess that I don't know.

    Best Regards.
     
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    For a more logical thinker who builds his view of the world mostly on science, this is quite an accomplishment.
    Wish more scientists, historians and other such people would admit that there are a lot of things that they don't know, instead of filtering everything in a way so that it will "prove" their own theory.
     
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    You have a point in this. But I didn't say our spirits are Earthbound. That would be very narrow-minded indeed. I am at the same time not a believer of Zecharia Sitchin. About ten years ago I really dived into his theories. I really wanted to believe, but I found too much evidence that he had a great imagination but lacked self-criticism. He interpreted too much in his own favor, while there were serious scientifical alternate explanations to his translations.
    Still, there is a missing link in our human history. I agree.
    It doesn't conflict with the greater origin of life.
     
  12. Jim78

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    I thought conciousness was a by product of the brain once upon a time too...but sometimes life's experience flies in the face of explanations Cyrus.

    I do know that on the other side all thoughts become manifest...its a realm beyond physics...but its evidence is all around us, in art, philosophy, love, hate, relationships, life. We just tend to take it all for granted and don't see that consciousness creates. On the other side of the veil that's taken to the nth degree in my experience.
     
  13. Sasha Y

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    I am talking about a more subtle type of energy that science hasn't discovered yet (or at least not that the public knows of). It is not too difficult to learn sensing this energy and its flow through the body and even outside of it.

    One way to do it is to spend time focusing on the areas where chakras are located until you feel some new sensation there. Then you can focus on that sensation and let it grow. The more you do that, the more distinct and clear the sensations of this subtle energy become - it's also called prana, chi, personal power, etc.
     
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    ...and besides, what's the use of learning anything, when in your next re-incarnation, due to amnesia, you won't remember anything you learnt, so you won't be influenced by your previous life's lesson. Lesson unlearnt. Any lesson.

    Suppose, in one of my lives I beat my wife; in the next life I'll be a beaten wife myself, without suspecting whether I deserve it or not; in the life after the next I may be a man again, but not remembering how hard it is to be a beaten wife, so what will prevent me from beating my wife again?
     
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    Good question, but maybe, after many lives, you will be either the man or the beaten wife again, and like amnesia almost begins to leak, you suddenly decide to act differently. You engage in aiding victims of violence. Instead of passing violence on (beaten children often beat their own children, too), you choose a different path. By the way, there are also women who beat their husbands, it just is less talked about.
    Who knows how all this works... and how often you have to go through the same XXXX again before you change something. If all this is about learning at all, that is. I hope so, I want to believe that. There is no way I can be absolutely sure, though.
     
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    One remembers it subconsciously Cyrus. I have a lot of evidence of my having remembered or anticipated things subconsciously. Life progresses in my experience.
     
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    Not in Latin countries, SeekerOfKnowledge. Our machos wouldn't allow this to happen.:D:D:D
     
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    We can shoot the breeze how long we want, but don't get too upset if you can't get it (the meaning of life)! Most don't. My suggestion: you do your best, guided by what you think is best, not guided by what others say is best. Nobody can ask more from you, neither here, nor There. If you think too much of things over your head, you risk missing the elementary things you could actually do while here.

    I believe we are here to learn to master our emotions, especially fear, which evolutionary was necessary, and even now protects us. I may be wrong, but I prefer to be wrong on my own, than to follow a misguided prophet. I also believe I know my current life's lesson, I believe I understood where it comes from, I realize that I still have some difficulties with it, but I'm doing my best.

    I hope to become "lucid' while "dreaming" this life, to understand more who I am, and what I want to do. If I can't, it wasn't meant to be.
     
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    I will throw this in and see where it goes.

    The modern western mind will always and forever struggle when it comes spiritual things because this mind can only understand carnal things as it is a product of the times in a unbelieving world being of only dry dead intellect where the understanding of spiritual things is completely dead. Those who function by this type of mind can only understand reality by their narrow set of physical experiences and only think/process within those confines while the factory style education the vast majority of us are forced to make do with only reinforces this narrow mindedness of the modern western mind. The only way people who have this type of mind can understand higher level/order things those being the spiritual they have no choice but to change their minds and how they process the reality around them. From my understanding is that reincarnation has a couple of motives where people get another chance however many they need to get things right while for others it becomes an option where they can come back if they choose to for whatever reason they decided to do so that likely experience or to get something done (help others).
     
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    Love? What is this? I know what love between relatives is (mother & her adult son, brothers & sisters, etc. - it is strongly coupled to the perpetuation of species). I know what sexual love is (it is necessary to grow children together until an age when they can continue without their parents). Patriotism (just an awareness of common interests). Could never understand christian love. Even worse, I believe nobody can: IMHO it's just an ideal alternative to save ourselves from escalation of vengeance.

    Does it really bind us? More than a policeman round the corner?

    There is more love betwen wild animals than humans, because a wolf never kills a wolf, a lion never kills another lion, not even his rival for a lioness; whereas the humans do it all the time.

    Can Love be measured by science? Many things we perceive cannot be measured, colour, e.g. We believe we see a, say, green color, whereas in reality, it's light with some well defined wavelengths that enters our eyes, performs some chemical reactions and our biological computer (brain) presents it to us nicely in form of a colour. But there ain't really no colour outside there.
     

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