When there's a need - and spirit comes

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  1. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    It's been a long time since I've shared an experience, so here goes. I have been very blessed to have a man come into my life (Frankie) who is open to reincarnation, spirit and other dimensions in life. Not only is he open to it, he is experiencing it. We have been doing weekly meditations together - most fascinating and for another thread. I'll start by saying that together the energy is heightened and I am able to help validate some of his experiences but he is also validating mine. It amazes me how open and tuned in he is. There is JOY in sharing. We both had an experience Thursday - I was at the college and he was at his work. The strong sensation of someone coming up behind us and walking by but no one was there. We laughed about it later but the feelings continued and last night we decided to ask who was with us.


    We played the OM CD - with tibetan bowls while meditating, we always lay down and hold hands. I know it's very important to ASK a question before.... for clarity. So we did. My art professor from 1997 came to me immediately, said it was him visiting me in my class. Then he showed me he was reborn and a baby now...I could see his baby hands. Then my inner vision switched to Frankie, there was darkness, anger, flashes of warriors and then calm. I could see a man bending over and picking up dirt and small rocks with his hands. Almost running the sandy dirt through his fingers. I felt he was a friend of Frankie's. He had died and seemed lost. We both came out of the meditation in a fog like darkness. I told Frankie that someone he knew had died and needed to tell him, it was not anyone in his family. As I told him this the spirit kept saying over and over - The refuge - the refuge. He was insistent I mention the refuge. So Frank rattled his brain try to figure out who. He had worked there as an equipment operator years ago, the other guys were younger than him. He had heard nothing from any of his old friends about anyone dying.


    So I let it be. Frank did a quick search through the obituaries in Los Banos, Ca. where he grew up. Which is about 73 miles from where he lives now. The site showed that three months ago a dear friend of his died in a car crash, he was 56 years old, use to go to the refuge and grew up with Frankie in Los Banos. The guys name was Danny Wiley. Danny sideswiped two vehicles on the side of the road, his jeep rolled and he was ejected. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt according to the highway patrol. Frankie was good friends with Danny's older brother. But no one told Frankie Danny had died. :eek: ( Frankie became very emotional, when he realized who it was. Everything fell into place. His friend Danny seems lost, there had been a dark feeling around Frankie for weeks. We asked for clarification before the mediation asking who this person was ---- and now the darkness lifted.


    Frankie confirmed that Danny would come to the refuge often to visit, he was known for bending over to pick up rocks by the handful and throwing them one at a time while visiting. This was a small validation for who the spirit was. There seems to be unfinished business, or he needs something. So we'll keep you all posted.


    Does anyone else find that when spirit comes to you - there is a need?
     
  2. John Tat

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    Hi Deborah As I said before it sounds like you are in a good place right now. I think why there has been no replies to your query is, its difficult for many to understand "when spirit comes to you" really means. Are you referring to your spirit or the spirit of someone else? It's properly a term well understood by the scholars of the spiritual, which as you know I'm not. My knowledge comes from what has happened to me.


    What I'm interested in is how it happens for you. If I lay down and tried to make it happen it would not. I must first contact my spiritual self through deep mediation.


    When you say he came to me do you mean he came to the spiritual you or the physical you?. Also seeing the guy bending over and picking up dirt and small the rocks, who is seeing him? I only ask this to understand how it works for you.


    As I have said I believe we are three in one, but connected the physical, the spiritual us and our soul, so I see everything through my spiritual self, not John Tat. I'm interested if that is how it is with you?. Also what I'm just recently becoming interested in is something that I believe is very complicated. That is, what is real time in the spiritual? Through my experiences I'm seeing more and more the differences in what real time is, in the spiritual. I have no belief at all our spirit can occupy more than one physical at a time, anymore than the spiritual can go back and forwards in time and live a life over or live one in the physical future. Those for me are completely out of the bounds of spiritual reality and purpose.


    The difference's I think I'm beginning to understand is what you are experiencing and that is, what is real time in the spiritual? When you saw your professor as a baby were you seeing that in real time? The same as when you saw the guy bending over picking up dirt and small rocks, were you seeing that in real time?. If they were or if they were not in real time may appear to be irrelevant , but it is not, it's very important to how things work, I'm just beginning to understand that


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  3. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    HI John,


    I am referring to the spirit of someone else. In this case a dear friend (Danny) of my friend - whom I had never met - nor he had talked about. They grew up together. Frankie didn't know he was killed in a car accident. Danny wanted him to know.


    I find I cannot "make it happened either." Hence the topic of the post. There has to be a need for the communication. In this case he came to me via a mediation - which in my mind is in higher consciousness yet I am still my body, my spirit, my soul. He showed me something he would have done in life and told me a place he would go to with my friend Frankie. I see this in the LIGHT (Inner vision, sixth chakra - whatever you want to call it.) I agree with you there is three...mind, body and spirit. But to me they all hold the key to understanding. Intellectual intelligence, heart intelligence and emotional intelligence - when in alignment we vibrate at a higher level and create a doorway for communication between ourselves and the higher dimension of spirit. Gregg Braden and The HeartMath organization speak of this and are using it to help raise awareness worldwide.


    Time is like a fractal...consciousness can travel through the levels of the fractal. Breaking boundaries. When I saw my old professor as an older man - we communicated briefly - then he showed me a vision of himself in a crib asleep. When he came to me he came ~ OBE as the man I would recognize. That vision was him in real time (as I understand what you're trying to say). The man (Danny) picking up the rocks was him showing me a memory of his...a special time he spent with Frankie. He showed me (shared) a memory. Memories and consciousness are not inside the brain...they are within and around our whole being. Rooger Woolger talked about this in his work - Deep Memory Process.


    I find it best to see all things as connected. There is no separation between us and the world/universe around us. The world - is Holographic. We're just now learning to see it.


    Sincerely,


    Deborah
     
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    Hi Deborah... That was really great. A very clear and easy to understand explanation of how it works for you. I can relate to everything you said. Its interesting you talk about a higher consciousness, yet you are still your body spirit and soul, and I talk about my spiritual self, yet as you say I'm still three in one, while this physical John Tat continues to exist. The difference between us is, I see myself as three separate entities, but connected. I see myself that way because one day the physical John Tat will cease to exist, leaving my spirit and soul to continue there journey. Its hard to say but I don't think how it happens for both of us is not that far apart. What I find interesting about our consciousness is, what I experienced when I was close to death.


    I have told this before and maybe you read it but its important in the context of what you said. As I have said before when I asked my doctors if I died, what they told me was... no you did not actually die. What I experienced is what you may be talking about..I was drifting in and out of consciousness, drugged up on morphine, then all of a sudden all of my senses went to the extreme. I could hear people talking outside of the intensive care ward, I could see with absolute clarity, and could understand and comprehend everything in a manner I had never experienced before, I could smell every smell there was, and so on. In other words I believe I did in part cross over to my spiritual self. I believe that because John Tat could not have done this, he was drugged out of his mind and almost dead. Over time and as I got into the spiritual side of things. I came to the conclusion that John Tat and my spiritual self did in fact share the same consciousness. but my spiritual self has the abilities to make far better use of it, and that is the connection between John Tat and my spiritual self..


    Its interesting you describe the same thing as a higher level of consciousness, and I see it as part of my spiritual self. that connects us, that continues on incarnation after incarnation. In other words I believe our consciousness continues on after the death of the physical because it is part of our spiritual self just as it is part of the physical us.. I think its all much the same only interpreted in different ways.


    The time thing in what I call the spiritual is very interesting, but impossible to understand. I'm only using your experience's to explain something that I believe I'm finding There are different levels of real time in the spiritual. I will talk about just one aspect I'm beginning to understand... You saw your professor as a baby in real time but you also received the memory of an event in real time from Danny..The following is difficult to explain. When you received the memory in real time, that allowed you to see the actual event in real time as an observer, which was nothing more than a memory of Danny's to begin with, that was passed onto you in real time. There were two very different levels of real time in play with your experience, I don't think you can have the memory's of someone else even at the higher levels, you have to experience and/or observe them in real time, giving you your own memory's of the event. I'm beginning to understand there are many very different, and very complicated and interwoven levels of real time in the spiritual, that makes things both possible and real


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  5. Deborah

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    Hi John,


    I think you did a real good job explaining your POV and what happens for you. Sorry to be so long, I'm in the middle of moving and teaching two summer classes so free time is hard to find. I want to address what you said here:

    In my experience that is not true. You can. Higher states of consciousness (holographically) can see and come to understand another person's "real life" or even past life experiences. Are you familiar with the book The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot? I might have mentioned it before. Not sure. I have had several experiences where I have asked spirit (the deceased) for validation for the person who is grieving and needs confirmation. They show me something I could not have known, a little thing between the two people. One living one passed. Instead of typing it up all over again I'll give you a link to a post about a Father and son I helped in 2002. Keith and Jeremy. Keith's son was killed at 16.


    Perhaps this and Talbot's book will help you see another possibility and understand your own experiences in a slightly different way.


    Take Care......
     
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    Hi Deborah.. Thanks for the reply and link to Keith and Jeremy.. This is all very interesting to me and an area I have little or no understanding off. Many years ago at least 35 I read about a scientific experiment.. I don't know how true the report was and maybe you have heard of it...They took young rabbits away from there mother I think that was in Los Angeles and took them on a plane to New York.. At different times and obviously different distances from Los Angeles they killed one of the young rabbits,


    The mother was being monitored in a Lab in Los Angeles and each time one of the young rabbits was killed she had a reaction.. As I said I don't how true this is, but it is possibly connected to what you are talking about


    I don't really understand what is going on with me, and I lack general knowledge on many areas that are effecting me.. Each time I made an attempt to educate myself it never felt right to me. It felt like I would interrupt the purity of what is going on, that others knowledge and assumptions would cloud and restrict what is happening to me. I still feel this way and is why I don't talk and analyse things the same as everyone else. It's all just me, the pure spiritual me


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    Hi deborah,

    Have you ever considered the refuge that he meant could be actually ---> this refuge? Since you were listening to OM cd & it took u to the state of om/buddhist consciousness
     
  8. Deborah

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    Refuge - is one of those two meaning words. Good catch! But Frankie worked at the Fish and wildlife (re-few-huge) pronounced. So his friend was telling him to remember their times there to help identify him - he was throwing rocks.
     
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    Hi Deborah, I had an experience 2 days ago that I believe was for someone in need, who is living, and set up by spirit.
    . I was wearing a pair of pink pearl earrings that were made by my best friend, whom I lost to ovarian cancer a few years ago. At work I realized that one pearl fell off, but the S hook that it had dangled from was still in my ear. The S hook has a ball on one end and I had a back on the earring, so I assumed that the metal loop holding the pearl broke off. My coworkers and I searched but could not find it.
    . I work in a doctor's office, which I never would have chosen as a career but fell into it last year. Then I got a call from a woman complaining of the same symptoms that my friend had when she got sick. It was like reliving the conversation I had with her 4 years ago, very emotional.
    . The next morning I found the missing pearl in a zippered pocket in my purse. The loop was not broken. It was intact and I have no idea how it came off or how it got in my purse. But I'm pretty sure I know who wanted me to be alert! ❤
     
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    That's a wonderful experience Barblynn. It's the little things that can mean so much. She must have been a wonderful friend - and still is. ;)
     
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    Hello, Deborah. The Danny Wiley you speak of is my Father. My brother's wife found your entry somehow and my brother called me this morning and sent me this link.

    I'm very interested in knowing more. Please contact me.
     
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    Hi Aaron,

    I will email you through the email address you signed up with on this site. My goodness it’s a small world.
     
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    Hi Aaron-

    I am going to email you again Saturday- For an update. I hope things are going well.
     
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    Aaron, your brother Danny Wiley wants you to know he was reborn. He thought he couldn't come to you afterward. However, Babies often do go out of body. For a little while. I hope you find comfort in his message and I am sorry to be so long getting back to you.
     
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    Danny Wiley was my father I see my brother Aaron wrote you!!! I would love it if you let me know a little more in depth about your experience!
     
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