Where does God fit into the whole reincarnation thing?

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  1. TheDivineOne

    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    I hope this post doesn't step on anyone's toes. These are just my personal beliefs and decisions, nothing more. But I actually don't believe in God at all, at least not the God most Christians believe in. For some reason I take pride in that, and in that i'm actually an anti-Christian.

    But my question is for the people who do believe in God: does It have any dictatorship or delegation over our incarnations? If so, how?
     
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    Hmmm... I can understand why much of the Christian facade of God would drive you to reject it. It's not even a cohesive whole among those who call themselves by that label. Some versions are a lot more life-giving than others, and even possible to respect. Some are about as evil as can possibly masquerade as good and those end up creating hell on earth beneath their oppressive influence. The fact that the term "God" is used for all of them causes a lot of confusion. I know I don't believe in that strange construction anymore either. It simply doesn't match the positive aspects of the universe it supposedly designed.

    I'm of the opinion that if God exists it's definitely not going to fit within the parameters of human understanding. We can't even figure out our own planet. I doubt we (as a whole) are going to sort out what or who God might be until after we figure out how to nurture the tangible and relational elements that affect us and our world in every moment.

    The closest we can come to the concept of that existence is found within the patterns of relationship that create healing, beneficial social structures, personal growth, new understanding, and hope in the midst of destruction. The microcosm tends to reflect the macrocosm of the universe, and those patterns are easier to trace than any other source of reference that we claim to define God's being. For example: I see life return out of seeming death daily, cyclically, and in all aspects of existence. Reincarnation isn't that difficult to accept when it fits right into that whole.

    I think glimpsing the vast and incomprehensible reflected in the small and everyday parts of life is why most everyone who is willing to accept the possibility of God's existence also accepts that love is the clearest sign of it's presence or influence. I can understand when people skip the idea of God and just aim to pattern their relationships on mutual respect, compassion, curiosity, equality, willingness to question oneself and culture, and other habits that lead to strengthening the structures of support and growth. Those whose integrity forms within the structure of love demonstrate a quality that I would be willing to trust as a universal creator. I'm not entirely certain it works that way now, though.

    In the end, I'm of the opinion that some form of consciousness causes the universe to exist. Whether that consciousness is a network or a single entity isn't something I'm willing to set down as a law of the universe. I don't know, and that's okay.

    I do know that love exists within that consciousness, and I can choose to participate in increasing that element wherever my personal influence extends. That's something worth living for.

    From what I've experienced a lot of my lives fit within a pattern that added up to who I am now and the life I'm living. I know I've made choices in past lives (and between) that brought me here, just like turning right will take you to a different location than turning left at the street corner. It seems clear that something is assisting, guiding, informing my decisions. Whether that is directly monitored by a being known as God or by beings that are further along in understanding how the universe works isn't something I know.

    That I am guided ... and that they don't consider me to be lower than them, but the primary activator in my life is part of my current existence. Guidance is real, whatever the structure behind it. There is a larger pattern and my path has meaning--it can even be considered essential to the final result. (Not in an "I'm special" way, but because we're all necessary and important.)
     
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  3. SeaAndSky

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    Hi DO,

    I'm a believer, but can't say that I have the whole thing figured out. From what I can tell, there are beings that have "graduated" from the process (or perhaps never had to participate in such a process) that help to make decisions that are important to our welfare and progress in this area, as well as helping to govern other aspects of the universe/existence. These beings are enlightened and guided by the Spirit of God. However, this only means that they are more guided than we are at this point, not that they are absolutely perfect.

    The degree to which such beings reflect the divine in wisdom, power, etc. is supposedly dependent on how "high" they are as, generally speaking, there has long been a belief in a sort of divine hierarchy mounting upward to the highest in both Christianity and Judaism (and in some form or another in most other religions as well). There is not a lot of consistency among different groups and sects on this sort of thing, and someone will doubtless fault my terminology, but the idea of various levels of "angelic" beings supervising successively more important and broader realms of being (if one is going from the bottom up), or successively closer to us and our immediate concerns (if one is going from the top down) is fairly common.

    However, coming to the crux of your question--which seems to be whether and to what extent someone controls our incarnations--that is a toughie. I don't have anything specific to go on in this regard in scripture (that I can think of right off the bat). There are some general scriptural promises that inspire me in terms of God's ultimate oversight and all things working together for our welfare, but I don't think that is what you are looking for. So, I'm just going on what I have read here and there. My reading seems to indicate that we are given a finite number of choices by the beings I have been describing, and that we choose one of those or end up having to "wait until our number comes up again". Why those choices are the ones we are given is, I suppose, the question. My hypothesis is that they each will, in some way, serve to advance us towards our ultimate goal.

    However, aside from all of this, I suspect that you are still looking for someone to blame--divine or otherwise--for what you consider to be a cosmic mistake or even a deliberate vindictive act. I'm led to suspect this because all of your threads ultimately seem to move in that direction (with you often evidencing more and more anger and indignation as you go along). Anyhow, I very much doubt it is a mistake in any kind of ultimate sense, but I am sorry that it has proved so miserable for you. Hopefully as you follow the path you are following, things will get better. I say that because I try to hope the same thing for myself and for everyone else in this process. I believe it in my head, but that doesn't mean that I have always felt it in my heart. So, I can understand if this idea doesn't necessarily resonate with you at the moment.

    Cordially,
    S&S

    PS--If you want to read about my own struggles with the issues you are raising, you may want to read posts 14 through 21 in the "Smoking Behind the Gym" thread: http://reincarnationforum.com/threads/smoking-behind-the-gym.5790/
     
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    DO:

    PPS--Your name comes up quite a bit in the posts mentioned, so you may find them of interest for that reason as well. It may or may not be of interest to you that you are not the only one who feels like they've been trod upon in the process.

    S&S
     
  5. tanguerra

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    Good question TDO.

    It's OK to discuss religion in the forum, as long as people are respectful of each others' beliefs.

    Personally, I think God (however you conceive her) is not a 'dictator' in any way, micro-managing all of humanity. What purpose would that serve? Most people believe that we have free will, and I am inclined to agree with that. There are differing beliefs about how much we get to choose our own destinies and whether things are all planned out in advance or just 'happen'. I suspect it might be a bit of a combination of both.

    A seed might fall on good soil or on rock by a chance puff of wind. If the seed is lucky enough to fall on good soil, a tree will grow to a specific blue print, according to its DNA; into an oak or an elm or an apple tree or whatever. It might grow for many decades, or get trampled on and never get to mature. All kinds of things might 'happen' to this tree during its life. Is any part of this preordained by any laws, other than that a certain type of seed will always produce the same kind of tree? Who knows, but somehow I doubt it. Why would humans be any different? We like to think we are terribly special, but we are just another part of nature. Perhaps we have more options to exercise free will in making choices about our life than a tree does, but that's about the extent of it in my view.

    What part does God (however you conceive her) have in all this, other than to be some kind of over arching 'life force' that flows through us all a bit like in Star Wars? I don't know. But I seriously doubt that God is micro-managing the whole universe, although of course many people do.
     
  6. TheDivineOne

    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    Well, you know what, SeaandSky? This would be the part where i throw my hands in the air and be like "well, you said it, not me!" because i actually didn't want to mention that directly when i made this thread but let me explain to you why I made the thread:

    I made this thread because i wanted to know if any of this God stuff about making me male or female rings true and has any merit or legitimacy.

    The thing about it is i've had quite a few people who know i'm a transgender go on and on to me with all this ridiculousness about God's grace and all that, telling me b/s like "Oh, you shouldn't be mad at God because he knew what he was doing and didn't make a mistake when he made you a boy," "God made you a male for a reason," "Your gender isn't/wasn't up to you," "If God wanted you to be a girl you would be a girl," and "God still loves you even though he didn't make you a girl," and even though i haven't had anyone tell me any of those crass things in a long time, it's haunting me and i am sick of it!

    I'm at war with these self-righteous Christians or God-believers who have the nerve to tell me any of that crap! Because I don't care! I have absolutely every right to be mad at God if it did have something to do with this and i am not about to let anyone tell me otherwise! I don't care if God didn't make or mistake or if it knew what it was doing when or if it did assign me male in this lifetime! I hate it! And if for argument's sake i don't have the right to be mad at God about it, well guess what? I'm gonna give myself that right and be as angry as i want to be about it. I refuse to be loyal to a God that wouldn't let me be female.

    If God had remotely anything to do with making me male in this life not only will i be as mad at God as i want, hate God as much as i want, but i will exact my vengeance against God by burning as many Holy Bibles and burning down as many churches as i can get away with! Additionally, if i'm being evil and/or selfish for not caring, well so be it! Okay? I am done! I have had it! And if i ever were to commit suicide over it i would do it with the satisfaction that God has my blood on it's hands. I don't care about God's will when being male and having to do anything as such has been the bane of my existence. I'm not here to do God's bidding; i'm here to do my own will since it means me being female and not male. Wanna know why? It's because I'm gangsta like that! But you know what? I just find it easier to not believe in God at all, that's why i just don't.

    Some of you guys are probably thinking that on this tirade because I want to rebel against god more than i want to be female. Well, let me tell y'all something: I don't care one way or the other about God or disrespecting it; i just want my femalehood back. Period. Point blank. That's just it

    I don't give a flying fig about "balance" or anything of that sort. I don't care if i were female in many or in all of my previous lifetimes... or if what i'm going through is because i'm not used to being male at all; all I care about is being a female in this life and in the next. I guess that was just too much to ask. So does that confirm your suspicions, SeaandSky? Yeah, i am looking for someone to blame for making me a male when i know full-on well i should've been born a girl. I'll just keep affirming to myself that i will be female in my next life, i guess.

    I'm sorry everyone. Writing all this and expressing all this anger left me wit tears in my eyes but i just had to get this out.
     
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    It's OK to express your frustration. It helps to be able to talk about it. You are doing great. I hope you will feel better before too long. It's the old story - denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. It seems to work more or less the same for big and small personal losses, not just the death of a loved one. In your case, it is the 'loss' that you feel about your female identity.

    I'd say you are somewhere fluctuating between anger - looking for someone to blame, bargaining - looking for explanations, and depression - feeling sad about it all. The theory goes that allowing yourself to feel the emotions (rather than blocking them or bottling them up) helps you to move along. So, your little 'tirade' is hopefully a healthy expression of anger, as long as you don't actually harm yourself or anyone else, it's a good thing to rant and rave a bit until you get it out of your system.

    The good news is, once you get past that, comes acceptance which is much more pleasant state to be in. That is when you work out a way to deal with it, to accept that nobody's life is perfect, and just get on with it as best you can. You may still occasionally feel angry or sad, and that's ok. But hopefully it gets less intense over time.

    http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/

    The Buddhists have a saying 'Before enlightenment chopping wood and carrying water. After enlightenment chopping wood and carrying water.'

    I hope you can find a way to feel more accepting of your 'fate' eventually and try to make the best of it. Lots of people suffer. It's part of life. Try not to waste too much energy arguing with fundamentalists. It's a bit of a waste of time in the long run. Better to find your own answers as best you can. Find your own tribe. Find positive, loving, kind people to hang out with and leave the negativity on the side of the plate. Easier to say than do, I know.
     
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  8. John Tat

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    D.O To begin with I have no comprehension about what you are going through...."Where Does God Fit Into The Whole Reincarnation Thing"? First of all you must believe there is a god, well the one you believe in anyway... There are gods in some form, it just depends on who and what you believe in. So do these gods have any control at all over the reincarnation process?.. With the billions and billions who have already reincarnated and the billions who will reincarnate in the future then the answer is not easy one. If the gods have little no control then who or what has some control? It's my belief old souls are the only ones with any real control at all.. Old souls have seen it all, and have gone through the reincarnation process hundreds if not thousands of times.. They learn more and more how to control what is going on during each reincarnation.. Then strange to say they get to a point where they need the physical entities help during the dying process to be completely successful.. After all it's only the physical entity who dies, not the spiritual you . The older souls have the abilities to educate the physical entity on what they require of them after the dying process begins.. There must be a smooth transition between the death of the physical body to pure spiritual form.. Plenty goes on.. The final stage is the reincarnation itself. Before a soul gets to this point is it haphazard? I don't know.. What I do believe is, the spiritual you does have gender and it would not be impossible for mismatch of gender between the spiritual and physical
    Just a quick example of looking at things from a different perspective.. I have an 11 year old granddaughter Three years ago she was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumer. She had half of her brain cut away but they still did not get it all.. Now she looks at me and wonders who I am.. She looks at shoelace that is undone and does not understand.. it goes on and on.. There are millions of people far worse off than you D. O. That may not help but you should keep that in mind

    Regards
     
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    Wise words John T.
     
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    FWIW, IMHO, God is what allows us and everything to exist. We come from God and we are all God. Reincarnation is the true expression of God's grace.

    It's cliche, but we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Spiritual existence knows no time, no want, no loss, no pleasure, no gain. It simply IS, it is existence without essence or purpose.

    From our human perspective, it's not fair, that things have to end and that there is so much pain and suffering. There's no divine punishment, no scales to be balanced, just the simple offer of being able to consider everything you learned and the opportunity to go back and try it again where we will be reunited with our family and friends. Reincarnation also forgives and heals pain, suffering and simple bad luck. The sun will always come up again on another life no matter how bad this one may seem.

    God is there is for if you are willing to quiet your inner self and listen to what God is trying to tell you.
     
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    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    Now that I'm calmer and have had time to reflect on how I'm feeling and on what I've been going through, I will say as calmly as i can that I still resent having been born male. I hate it! I don't want to be transgender and I don't want to be male and identify as such. I want to be an actual female. Just years ago, i found myself hanging on the balance of the uncertainty whether reincarnation does or doesn't exist and if it does will I get to be born a female? There were just too many uncertainties that i couldn't deal with. People say life is a gift, and I am inclined to agree but not when you were born in a gender you're not comfortable in, especially when in your last life you were in your correct or preferred gender but you were murdered and then reincarnated into the wrong gender. So Totoro, if by "The sun will always come up again on another life no matter how bad this one may seem," you mean i will be female again in my next life, i will be anxiously waiting, and to make up for all the b/s i had to go through, i want to be female in the lifetime after that, and in many consecutive lives. I want absolutely nothing to do being male at all. Nothing whatsoever. I said this before and i will say this again: the only positive thing being transgender has gotten me was the desire to come back and reincarnate... and the sense to appreciate being female and womanhood, and, Tang, before you play the "be grateful for your good health" card on me again, i don't really care for my health when i was born in the wrong gender because I'm hoping this lifetime doesn't last very long. I guess some people can handle being transgender better than others but I absolutely hate it and never want to do this again. Please, no one sit there and tell me things like "oh, there's nothing wrong with being transgender," because i will say again, i hate being transgender; i want to be born an actual female.

    I've reached the end of my rope. I just want my womanhood back.
     
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    The Divine One, I’ve read your posts with interest and recognition of your anger and frustration, and at various times wanted to make comments. I hesitated for several reasons like knowing that very few words are going to help you with what you want to happen, and you might yet not be in a position to hear.

    It has been forty-five years since I started the process of acceptance that you are involved in, even though the circumstances are different, the anger/frustration/grief is similar. Luckily for me, I had some belief in the reincarnation process in the beginning that gave me some comfort that you seem to be without. I had no belief in any God that would be a participant in my daily struggles of this lifetime, I therefore never was angry with God for my circumstances, but I certainly had feelings about the many attempts by people to interject God into the shattered life I was experiencing at the time.

    My older sister was deeply involved in Church and we had many a conversation through letters with my questioning even God’s existence. I’ve settled on a view that is comfortable to me, so I don’t want to have that as something to defend or push on you. However, I do have thoughts about this that I feel a need to express.

    My first thought was that if you held a belief in reincarnation, you would not have made many of the statements that you have posted – which caused me to wonder why you were posting here. Not that I think it is wrong or anything like that, it is just that it did not fit somehow. The original question that you posted in this thread also raised some questions with me, so I will start with my questioning thoughts.

    If God was the entity that the Church seems to perpetuate, one that could be played in the movies by Charlton Heston, then I could better understand how so many people easily see such an entity, acting like a parent, being involved with their life. On the other hand, if God is envisioned as an intelligence that is in everything, including us, then your question takes on a different shape. The first view supports specific interventions/causes while the latter supports a more general “pressure” in my opinion.

    A direct response to the question of where God fits in reincarnation, to me, would be that we are created to experience what is possible, and each incarnation builds upon the previous one.

    I am personally satisfied with what Edgar Cayce reports in his readings, not necessarily with his personal beliefs as I believe that they were heavily influenced by his biblical readings. I have thought of his internal conflicts trying to reconcile his Christian beliefs with his “readings”. As I understand it, it took him quite a while and he had a very hard time doing that. But, this is getting too long and I’m not writing what I’m feeling.

    What is pretty commonly believed in association with reincarnation is that the physical life is experienced in order to learn things that are otherwise difficult or impossible to learn without experiencing them in physical form and under circumstances that works better in physical surroundings. It was that realization that I clung to after my injury that kept me from casting blame on others or being angry with God. The realization that it was with my blessing, or at least an understanding as to why, that I am experiencing this life experience. Looking at things this way, when I read your first posts, I was in awe of the life you set out to experience. Being a black male is more difficult than many are capable of managing, add an internal gender conflict to that is indeed a formidable undertaking that you have agreed to experience.

    Along with that, and the thoughts posted by others, I feel a sorrow for the time and energy you are putting into your grieving as it has you going in all-directions-at-once without getting anywhere. My guess is that I again had an advantage since I had a family to support, I was obliged to focus on the future rather than dwell on my misery, I lost myself in studies by going back to college, actually doing that too long as it turned out.

    It has been said many times that it is not the hardship that is important, it is how you handle it that is the object of the game. I do not know if that is true or not, but I’ve found it has been helpful for me and has brought me many blessings. I have had many successes and failures; I unfortunately still allow my disability to define me more than would be ideal, but that is part of the message that I want to express. You are much more than a transgender just as I am more than a triplegic, to limit ourselves to our differences from other people diminishes our lives and possibilities.
     
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    Good thoughts and well expressed Ken J.
     
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    It's ok to feel angry and upset. Life is often 'unfair'.

    Have you explored the circumstances of this past life murder? What happened exactly? Can you catch some others up on all this?

    Working through that might give you some clarity. Just a suggestion. I hear your anger. Maybe exploring that might give some insight?
     
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    TheDivineOne Should've been born a girl...

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    No. I've never put any effort into finding that out primarily because i don't care so much about my past life but being female in the next. Maybe subconsciously, a part of me doesn't want to find out but consciously i'm still a little curious. Besides, I'm still at the point where i don't really trust the legitimacy of my past life visions.

    I don't know what to believe at this point, really. Some believe that we chose our gender between incarnations. As much as i want to believe that, i'm not ready to yet. Some people don't even believe in reincarnation at all. There are the conservatives who believe God was who made me a male and that my/our gender isn't our choosing at all.

    I hate to be comparing what I'm going through to this but... luckily the one thing i do feel thankful for is the luxury of being able to say I've never been arrested or incarcerated for any crime... ever in this life. But I compare what I'm going through to prison. Some say (namely those who've been in jail) that prison will either make you better or make you bitter. I think of being transgender in the same way. As you may've guessed it, being trans has made me bitter. I often find myself wondering what my life would be like if i were born female... like i was supposed to.

    Even after my transition is complete i feel like i'm still gonna be angry that even after SRS, i'll never be a full-fledged female and i'll still be bitter that i wasn't actually be born a girl but i see myself enjoying my freedom into womanhood and hoping that i'll be born a girl in my next life.
     
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    "Maybe subconsciously, a part of me doesn't want to find out . . . ."

    Hi DO,

    Tanguerra brought up something I’ve been meaning to direct you towards as well—the end of your last life. To my mind, you are currently focusing on things that are either way too big or distant for you (God) or way too small or close to you (the circle of people you come in contact with—including this board). I don’t believe ragging on any of the foregoing is going to get you closer to anything worthwhile. I believe you need to focus on the proximate cause of your situation, as best we can comprehend it at this level: the person who killed you and why it happened. As usual, I think your subconscious may well know the answer, which may be part of your anger issue (especially if the person was someone close to you). I obviously don’t know, but for some reason I keep thinking about the scenario in “Sister Act”. However, I’m no psychic, it could have been a jealous lover, a botched robbery, a pure accident, or . . . . However, your anger smacks (to me) of the anger of someone betrayed.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    DO There is nothing more that can be said.. You can only work this out by yourself
     
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    It's all good. Sometimes it's good just to talk about it, but it might be worth looking into some time. It might help.
     
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    TheDivineOne, sounds like you are seeking answers via this forum; and, by seeking answers, I mean you seek what makes sense. Please allow me to summarize some of the things discussed at GlowingGuy.com to explain your situation.

    1) Gender Identity: Many of your posts relate to your gender identity. You are right to guess reincarnation explains your transgender identity. But, why were you born with this mismatch of your body and mind? According to Google, 131.4 million people were born versus 56.3 million deaths in a year. Because there are so many more people being born as human beings and not enough souls to fill the bodies, reincarnation is being rushed here on Planet Earth. As result, your soul was likely reincarnated into a body while your mind is still in another state of existence due to this speed of reincarnation. Please also note this speed of reincarnation would explain being born with autism and ADHD. In short, you were born into your present body because your soul was the only soul that qualified for this body at the time of your birth.

    2) Concerning God: Not all answers in life are black and white, and perhaps, this has been why people have been having problems finding the answers. Specifically, have you considered God is actually the Devil claiming to be God? Meaning, the Devil is an evil angel who came to Planet Earth to play with this planet like a toy and told human beings he was God to have us worship him and such. Which implies reincarnation has existed prior to the Devil claiming to be God. And, this realization would explain many Christian questions like if God is all-powerful, then why doesn't he destroy the Devil? Because they are the same person! Or, how Christians say trust in his mysterious ways as cover-up for the Devil blundering around and trying to accomplish his evil desires. And, should the Devil want to do evil deeds, he would demand faith from human beings to not question his activities, his flaws, etc. Otherwise, should God be so perfect and all-powerful, then life should logically already be perfect. As a biblical example, consider how Adam and Eve were blamed for eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (also called "Original Sin"), BUT Adam and Eve didn't know good from evil until AFTER they ate from the tree. So, it was not a perfect and good God who blamed Adam and Eve, it was the flawed and moronic Devil depicted in the Book of Genesis. Hence, the life we know here on Planet Earth makes more sense if we assume the Devil as an evil angel came here to Planet Earth and claimed to be God. Believe it or not, assuming the Devil claiming to be God also explains Global Warming, because he has misled us to the present state of the world!

    3) Transgender Identity: So, what caused the speed of reincarnation to then cause your transgender identity? Since the Devil claimed to be God, having people believe in him as a good God was most important to him. And, so Christianity defined goodness as having faith in God (otherwise, you will be "left behind" and go to hell, etc ... so, through fear, the Devil wanted you to believe he was the good God and do whatever he says and worship him and such). As such, people aren't questioning what is logically good. As result, people have been living like animals where having children is viewed as a meaning of life as it is for animals (not saying it cannot be; having children does keep you busy so you've got a reason to live from day to day). And, since goodness is defined as faith, people aren't using their brains to seek logical answers in life, which then affects people's decision process whether or not they should have children. As result, modern life is filled with people having children first and then figuring out how to support children second, which results in many credit card debts, struggle and hardship, neglected children (such as because parents are too busy working) or "free ranged" children, divorces, etc ... list goes on and on. Meaning, I see the present state of Planet Earth being the Devil's fault, such as because he defined goodness as having faith in him. As result, people like God-fearing folks faithfully had children because that's what they think they're supposed to do, such as while relying on God to watch over them and assuming there was no other choice but to be subjugated by the supposed God. As result, the birth rate increased human population over and over again until we now have billions of people and 131.4 million births per year. And, hence why your soul was rushed into your present body while your mind still relates with a previous state of being.

    Hopefully, these are the answers you seek and are answers that make sense. For more information, such as why does reincarnation exist, please check out GlowingGuy.com.
     
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  20. SeaAndSky

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    Hi DO,

    It seems like GlowingGuy is promoting some variant of Gnosticism. Gnosticism in its most well known variations basically believed that the Old Testament Creator God was in fact an evil, lesser entity, who had created this lesser "evil" physical world and ensnared souls here, stealing the worship of the highest God, and imprisoning souls in this horrible world of physical matter. The highest God was the one Jesus referred to as the "Father", and existed on/in the higher planes of existence. Jesus, OTOH, was an emissary from the highest God sent to lead people out of the domain of the cruel and vindictive Old Testament God in the corrupt and evil physical world and into the higher realms of his Father (the Highest and Real God).

    Gnosticism in some form may have pre-dated Christianity, but became especially prominent in the early centuries of the Christian era. Gnostic Christianity existed as a competitor to "Orthodox" Christianity, and survived for quite a while. Its survival, IMO, was mostly because it did incorporate some real truths, though often twisted and mixed up. However, it is a hard ideology (or perhaps "theology"--using the term loosely) to pin down, as there were so many variants in terms of Gnosticism that it is hard to get a fix on it. However, there are two characteristics that almost all forms of Gnosticism seemed to share: (1) Old Testament Jehovah, the "God" of this world, was not the real highest God, but an evil or lesser being who had usurped the rule of the Most High and imprisoned souls here; and (2) the physical world and all that had to do with it were ultimately evil, a prison or tomb from which the soul needed to escape.

    If you want to research Gnosticism, be prepared for a lot of reading. It is currently in the midst of a revival in some of its more purified and publicly presentable forms. It is an interesting doctrine and there are some forms of Gnostic Christianity that were not as crazy as others, so I'm hesitant to throw them all under the bus. Some actually have some real points in their favor. And, some things that were originally labeled "Gnostic" in a pejorative sense (such as the Gospel of Thomas) do not, on further review deserve to be labeled Gnostic at all. So, if you're prepared to dive into the study of Gnosticism, be prepared for a lot of work, confusion, and opposing viewpoints.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     

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