Why do do many people claim to be famous?

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  1. Deborah

    Deborah Executive Director Staff Member

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    This is from the FAQ section above, Sunniva posted it and it is spot on.
     
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    I had a thought about this a few days ago while contemplating the soul's abilities. Could it be that in our soul's instructions, assignments/coursework/whatever, that we can somehow co-experience happenings of someone's 'real-life' experience? If so, all fpl claims become suspect!
     
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    My view or idea about it is that only a minority of people ever reincarnate and that the vast majority only live once. Even a minority of those who think they reincarnate. This is seldom a popular view. But it explains the naïvete, stupidity, lack of purpose and general shoddiness of something beyond 95% of people.

    No. I do not like people much. I like those that Miyamoto Musashi would refer to as 'Real Human Beings'. People of depth, courage, strength, intelligence, skill, drive, intuition and so forth. In combination. Complete humans. Not the weak or lacking.

    I personally believe it works as follows: if one does something noble or otherwise good in the first life, one enters this path of reincarnation, which ultimately ends with ascension. If one keeps the contract and does well. If one does not, one does not get to walk this path to its finish. The person ceases to be. The soul returns to its source. If one proves unworthy to keep walking the road by inaction, cowardice, misdeeds, degeneracy or the like. An example would be to sell one's soul, like satanists, freemasons or others of that ilk do. If one on the other hand do the things one is supposed to, there is also a reward for it.

    How else than being entirely new does one explain why most people are the way they are? I cannot believe that everybody is ancient. No way. The world would not look like this if that were the case.

    Few will 'agree', I presume. Another thing I think is supremely amusing and infuriating at the same time. The supposedly equal worth of opinions. I cannot fathom why anyone would believe in any form of 'equality'. I believe there will always be a numerically small minority who are essentially Nobility, regardless if this nobility exists formally as a social class above lesser humans or not. I believe the basis for a nobility must be a warrior caste, as it was before, nearly everywhere. I do not believe in a society which separates its scholars from its warriors. Or one which has 'nobles' who are businessmen instead of warriors. Or one which does not elevate the warrior above humans who are not quite fully sentient.

    This is my view. It is probably not yours. I have no need for anyone to 'agree' or not. I hope it was a breath of fresh air for someone who truly gets it.
     
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    There and back again Senior Member

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    Many FPL claims are the result of attention seekers looking for some sort of boost and validation from others, these days people are better off staying out of sight only doling out pieces of their experiences on a as needed bases to help avoid drawing negative attention to themselves.
     
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    Ritter, I disagree in a most friendly and respectful fashion.

    I think the gift of life and this world to live in was given freely and unconditionally. I think there are many reasons why people don't "evolve"; soul age is one of them. I also think people don't grow for the same reasons that poverty, poor health habits are said to be reinforced through families. I think some people may just be comfortable in their rut and not want to leave or leave family members behind to seek incarnations with better circumstances.

    I just think there's more going on that we can possibly comprehend, but I would wager to think that many people here, have been here for quite a while.

    KenJ, I was just saying in another thread, that with access to multimedia records that did not exist until a few years ago, I'm quite surprised that we haven't seen more "famous" reincarnation cases from devout fans, impersonators etc.
     
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    Most of the time I think it’s kind of hard to tell. Especially if the person they claim to have been in the past is very well known, and when there’s many things written about them on the internet. I think that’s when the question “Do you have any memories that aren’t documented?” comes in. But then again, there’s also the parts on the internet about well known people that aren’t true. I’m pretty certain of some on this forum who are telling the truth. Others, not so much. I think it’s interesting when some “FPL” claimants seem to get agitated by others questioning their claim.. might say a lot. I don’t see a valid reason for constantly trying to prove who you once were, especially if one seems to be looking for others to praise them in some way.
     
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  7. Thyme

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    Those reasons are very interesting. I agree.

    Why do so many people claim to be celebrities or important people? I think all past lives, whether they are famous past lives or not, are very important. One of the main reasons: Desire to be congratulated or appreciated. Suspicions of being famous in a past life because of physical or psychological characteristics. Empathy with that person, which does not necessarily mean that you are that specific person. Empathizing with someone else's pain, or feeling a connection of ideas with someone, does not mean that you are that person.

    When I discovered my famous past life, I came back again and again to see if it was true. I said, if so many people claim to be that person, why do I have such specific visions of random situations? Considering I'm not a fan of him, and his music makes me uncomfortable. It was definitely not a wonderful experience, except when I remembered happy moments with friends.

    I understood that the famous term is not really relevant. I tried to analyze my failures, my accomplishments and my thoughts from that past life, like any anonymous past life. Anyway, a soul is a soul.
     
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    Hi All,

    There are two hypotheses that have come up on the board in the past that might have some impact on this discussion.

    First, memories need not be "our own" and still could be "true" first person memories. Hence, those who "think" they remember being someone else may be in perfect good faith. Of course, in some respects this undermines everything this board stands for, but I'll let someone else discuss the implications on that. The point is that first-person memories (like all other information) may be stored/recorded, etc. in some way (good ol' Akashic Record :cool:) and may be tapped into by certain people for unknown reasons. Memories might also be deliberately implanted. I don't recall the book, but I do seem to remember reading somewhere that newbies get some initial memory "implants" or "grafts" so that they are better prepared to meet the exigencies of the physical. A "gift of knowledge" in the form of memories might also be given to a particular incarnate for certain purposes of guidance, calling, etc. People here can probably think up some of their own reasons for such anomalous "memories".

    Second, there have been past discussions in terms of the huge explosion of world population over the last 150 years, with accompanying remarks on the fact that the over abundance of new bodies may be getting filled by "new" or at least less experienced souls. So, that might also impact the question in some way.

    Cordially,
    S&S
     
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    Undocumented memories are very important, I think. Especially if someone else shares them. There's a wealth of information in those sorts of memories which people often overlook. Or don't believe ...
     
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    This is something that interests me a lot, as I have first-hand memories which don't belong to me but are someone else's. I have no idea why. Also memories, later verified, of things which happened two years after I died. But none of these relate to anyone famous.
     
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    Wish I could dismiss my memories as pure fabrication but they relate to childhood and lifelong deliberating phobias and habits that cannot be explained away by imprinted memories. I wasn’t a famous pl though. Maybe that’s another indicator of a past life — soul wounds. Anyone can have memories real or imagined. Soul wounds on the other hand shape the outset of an entire life, giving much more gravity to a past life claimant than the shallower aspects of a visual memory.
     
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    I agree landsend. Soul wounds are a fine indicator to me of a past life. I doubt I'd be wounded by a 'downloadable' memory.

    Also I have a bullethole shaped birthmark. If that's a manifestation from a past life I doubt I'd have it for any of the reasons stated in this topic as to why someone would claim an FPL other than the fact its real.
     
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    Agreed, a plausible past life claim has to be multi faceted. I should also imagine that anyone with a plausible famous past life would be intially in denial and it would have an enormous impact on that persons life.
     
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    It took me years until I had any kind of breakthrough. I was in active denial though, even through the proof was sitting right there, staring me in the face. I think piercing the barrier to accessing real memories and emotion is much harder than one would assume. I think, if it would be easier, choosing to live in denial would be preferable.

    I've mentioned elsewhere that I don't think most "famous" lives were filled with joy. I think overwhelmingly, that too often, a majority of any past life memories are rooted in pain and suffering. I also tend to have doubts about claims that start off with "I knew it because I always loved XYZ". Having a preference for something is a good indicator or sign post to what you may be looking for, but it's circumstantial and not something I would consider a validation without taking other factors into consideration.
     
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    "an enormous impact " - Maybe not so much. Remember fame is fickle, it need not imply anything beyond the accident of being caught in a beam of light for a moment. Perhaps the advantage is plentiful documentation (including obscure details which trickle out, a drop at a time), and the disadvantage is being unable to share the story, and being unable to correct the mistaken ideas or 'facts' which also get put in the record. But in itself it could mean as much or as little as any other reincarnation recall. No matter what went before, there is still today to be lived, on its own terms.
     
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    I would think that likely landsend. I myself was in denial for months, then bargaining then acceptance.

    You see from my perspective I was just fighting for love. I didn't consider anything I was doing to be any great shakes.

    One thing discovering an FPL did for me was to allow me to view myself as others viewed me. I was just a bloke, suddenly I had to deal with legend and what I realised from that coupled with my memories is that I'm still just another bloke.

    I don't have talents, I have practice IMO.

    I don't ever remember going to the toilet in my pls but if I did that would show me for what I am...human. Just another creature on this journey. I've read many accounts of FPL claimants online and many of them don't seem to contain the spit and sawdust of a life lived. Many seem to be in awe of their claims. I myself ain't in awe of my past selves because I remember the man not the legend. I would expect something similar from genuine FPL claims. Just my opinion of course.
     
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    Agreed, Jim... feel the same way about my PL, though not famous. There is no glory in it is there. At the end of the day we have to live with our memories and trauma and try and get on somehow.
     
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    I've said something like this. or related to it, though not necessarily on this forum. Those who consider, especially trying to debunk cases of mediumship and of reincarnation, propose that information could be acquired by psychic means, for example from the minds of the living. Where there is documented detail such as in written records, or even in physical remains such as buildings or places, invoking say clairvoyance or precognition in order to explain these things away. The great irony of course is that those same debunkers will on every other occasion deny that clairvoyance, precognition and other psychic abilities even exist.

    However, my own position is that reincarnation is not about facts, snippets of information. It is about the emotional impact, the way it shapes our lives, and more importantly how there is a continuity of something deep in our being. To live is to be. Reincarnation recall is a recognition of a continuity of that state of being, and all its associated pains and troubles, hopes and joys. Because my recall came in stages, but was unlocked within me as a young adult, it felt like both a state of release, a freedom, but also a picking up and being burdened with troubles and issues from a previous existence. In many ways this was crippling, the expectation at that stage of our life is that we make our way in the world, set out on some path whether education or employment and so on, to build a future. I found myself in a situation where those things of this current life seemed trivial distractions. The things which were within me from the past were stronger, richer, more overwhelming in their impact than anything in this current life. And yet people want to explain this as clairvoyance, or as something overheard or read long ago? Those types of 'explanation' don't even address the question, since it is not about facts or information, it is about our inner being.
     
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    The impact of my past life also rocked the foundations of my world. Why has this happened? I ask daily. It's like I've been awakened and now can see things from two perspectives, current life perspective, past life me perspective. I relate a lot to what you have said there Speedwell. Famous past lives would have a huge impact, and I can imagine most incarnating famous people would want the blessed mask of anonymity.
     
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    You've expressed just how I feel, Speedwell. Current life things seem trivial distractions, and the past is that much richer and stronger. When we've had profound experiences in the past, the present never quite gets to that level. It strikes me that this is why it's so hard to bury it, or push it aside. For all its tragedy, it has a brightness which just doesn't happen in the present, unless you're exceptionally lucky. In a sense, I feel more alive in the past than I ever do in the present. Yet that seems such a waste. How many older people sit with their thoughts, saying 'those were the days'? But we've been through death, maybe the most profound thing anyone can know. Famous or ordinary, we have things to say, to those who have the willingness to listen.
     

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