Why Do So Many People Claim To Be Famous In A Past Life?

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  1. Spirit Sword

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    I think it is also more likely if a person truly had a famous past life for them to remember it. Not only because there is information to jog one's memory, but, at least from what I have heard and experienced, many of these lifetimes held more stress, and would be more likely to cause scars and then to resurface in regressions or random memories.
     
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    If I should have a memory of being famous, I would talk about it. No matter what or if anyone believes me or not.
    So I will hardly argue with people who remember famous past lives.
    Another thing is me personally believing in a story or not. It shouldn't be important to someone with these memories.

    First, an open door, a formerly famous person will reincarnate too. 'Being famous' is not an accomplishment in the spiritual world after we die, is my personal opinion.
    Second, why would we do this arduous work in trying to convince others? If it's true, you ARE this person. You had an experience in a former life and in this life, you move on. Of course, it is hilarious if you should discover you were Cleopatra in a former life and please talk about it because it is part of YOU. But it is only a fragment of your chain of reincarnations and other lives are equally important.
    Imagine yourself Micheal Jackson reincarnated and he would dedicate his whole next life trying to convince others that he once was M.J. That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? A waste of time.

    For me to be interested in someone's story about being famous once is when they talk about the lessons they learned and how they integrate those lessons in the Now. They don't have to prove anything, because hardly anyone can prove their past lives. To me, the reincarnation stories are one big Therapy, about healing and forgiveness and Love. If our stories heal us on some level, it's ok. That's a good reason why those memories pop up.
    Don't get stuck in one high profile past life.
     
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    Exactly. Famous people incarnate, too, and being "famous" means nothing on soul level. Also doesn't give you any special rights in your current life.

    That is what I am not so sure about. If there are too many former Cleopatras and Napoleons around, this will be fuel for the doubters. While it is not our job to convince others of anything, many people still think that people who "believe" in reincarnation are all crazy freaks. Doesn't make it easier for those who remember. I would not want to add to this.
    On the other hand, who feels the need to talk probably should talk. Maybe it helps them. Lessens their burden. Or it helps others who then will feel less lonely.

    I wholeheartedly agree. On soul level, things like social class, career "accomplishments" or how many people know your name does not matter. A farmer is as important as a king. And the king may be a farmer in his next life.

    Again, agreed. It is impossible to "prove" anything anyway. Even if there was undeniable scientific proof, this wouldn't convince people who already have a fixed opinion.

    Healing, forgiveness and love, yes. Remembering having been in a certain situation can give you a better understanding of others. (And of yourself, of course.)
     
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    Who cares??? We don't live for the approval of others. We don't have to convince any doubters. We can only live our own truth. We live our experiences and we share them in places like this. I am absolutely sure that I've shared experiences that others find difficult to believe, even on this board. Seeing spirits, talking to invisible entities. I doubt myself often, but not about what I've experienced. Because I did. Maybe there were alternative explanations, that's possible. Maybe I made the wrong conclusions, but the experiences were real to me.
    When somebody is genuinely convinced they were the sixth Cleopatra I will listen to them as long as it is interesting. I do agree that there are real attention seekers on the road. If that's the case you can politely ignore them. Don't give fuel to BS. :)
     
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    Who decides what is BS and what is not? (Besides the occasional very obvious BS.) While not everything I stumble upon is easy to believe, I have this attitude not to dismiss anything immediately just because it doesn't fit my personal views or beliefs or is outside my personal range of experiences. Very few people would doubt the existence of subatomic particles, even though they never saw them. Very few people would doubt that ultrasonic sound does exist, even though they cannot hear it.
    No, it is not my goal to convince anybody of anything. My goal is to find my own, personal truth.
    The experience definitely is real. As real as the experience of eating an ice cream cone or stroking a cat.

    I do not doubt that there are people remembering having been a famous person and that their memories are real.
     
  6. Jim78

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    Personally I don't want the approval of others but it is frustrating to have trauma from pl memories and find ones trauma untreatable because laymen simply don't believe that you hold those memories.

    Yet at the same time part of me is glad to be disbelieved because the last thing I need is for everyone to tell me I'm a great fella when that is completely unhelpful to my personal experiences.

    Reincarnation knowledge and memories have left me snookered but one thing I have learned from my fpls is that the reasons why I was famous is very important to my spiritual journey. Being famous is irrelevant spiritually but the reasons fame manifested in my lives is relevent.

    Like Yoda said: "Wars not make one great". I was only famous because how we as a species view conflict is askew. In victory we are justified, in defeat we are martyred. Whether or not others think its BS who I was in a past life is irrelevant to me but the BS that comes with fame for being in conflict is relevant. I only ever had Earthbound fame, in spirit my past fame only has meaning to why I had to manifest conflict again and again.

    I'd rather be famous for a novel or a song or something than what I've been famous for but I asked for this crap. My nature manifested in all of my lives and now in my current life, because I rejected my brand of fame for a higher purpose, I've been left grappling with the consequences of my lives.

    My experiences are very real to me and part of me feels like I deserve the burden of pl memories. I did create all of these lives for myself after all. The fact that most people I know don't believe in reincarnation or that I was ever considered an icon in a past life is simply the icing on the cake. Its the crap sandwich I have to chew on. Fame is karma just like anything else. When I'm at home alone broken under the weight of my experiences I feel like I'm getting exactly what I asked for. I tempted faith in life after life and now I'm just another claimant. I am not the type of man who likes being just another anything so I see my becoming just another famous past life claimant as being a challenge to me to question my own ego.

    My famous past live were a manifestation of my ego. That iron rod in me that refuses to yield.

    For me the most pertinent question is why was I famous? For people outside of myself the question is why do I claim to have been famous? In myself I'm beyond claiming it and into living with it. Its others who have been left behind on my souls journey, asking questions about FPL claims that I've long since gotten over.

    I find people who don't hold pl memories or experiences to be next to useless to me to be honest.
     
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    I would think that your current understanding and the wisdom it builds would be reason enough. Getting beyond the personal aspects of it and sharing that wisdom gained may be a path to an important future for you. Have you spent much time thinking about how you could use what you have learned to help others get a "leg up" on similar things that they have yet to understand?

    Ouch!
     
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    I agree Ken. Without having being legendary in my past lives and without fighting for love in my current one the illusions of heroism wouldn't have been torn down for me. That feeds into what I was saying.

    Fame may be irrelevant spiritually but the reasons for fame are very relevant. It's a learning tool just like anything else.

    I was talking to a woman the other night over a pint about what I've learned in life and she said she can't help but attack when she is wronged. I agreed with her. What I've learned seems insurmountable to me. I couldn't give anyone else a 'leg up' until I'm there myself.

    I wasn't referring to members of this forum who don't have pl memories. They still have pl experiences. I was referring to those who aren't open to reincarnation. They never were helpful to me anyway.
     
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    While this is understandable, you still would have issues. Being a creative mind doesn't make you a saint. You would realize, as an example, that you did not create what was in your heart, but made what your audience wanted. Or what the highest bidder wanted (as you had to make a living after all). Maybe you would see that you had problems with your personal relationships, with alcohol, with what ever. You would see your work misinterpreted, over-interpreted, abused as a means for propaganda and all such things. Furthermore, from the viewpoint of an "old warrior soul", you would judge yourself as having been a coward for having seen all the injustice of your society and having done nothing against it. Or you would blame and judge yourself for having been so caught-up in your process of creating beautiful things that you didn't notice the injustice of your society.
    The only life that wouldn't cause carry-overs would be the one of a brave man (or woman) who “fought” against injustice by peaceful means, yet still was not afraid to sacrifice their own life for “the greater good”. Someone who lived to make this world a better place without using violence.
    Now, the problem is, that such individuals most likely would not need to reincarnate again, they only would decide to reincarnate to help others.
    Well, we cannot choose who we once were. You got what you got and you are who you are. Personally, while having issues myself, I still think that blame is not a solution. We rather should try to learn from past mistakes and do it better next time.
    I think we already had such discussions. You already realized a pattern and were able to break out of it even before you remembered past lives. No need to further blame yourself. (Easier said than done, I know all too well...) Continue your current path and you shall be fine.

    You are not just any other “claimant”. You did not ask for it, these lives are not what you would have chosen from your current viewpoint (while in the flesh), and admitting who you were probably feels more like a confession. You might be perceived, in your current life, as just any other individual. Which, of course, will be hard to chew for someone who was used to be a leader for so many lives.
    Being a “nobody” has its advantages, though. No one will care what brand of toilet paper you are buying. If you go to the pub and have a pint, it won't be in the newspapers the next day. Not being observed, not having all these expectations upon your shoulders, not being responsible for so many other lives... isn't that freedom? You can have a walk in the park, read a book of your choice, do what ever you wish in your spare time. Maybe this freedom still feels overwhelming for you. You are free, though. Maybe for the first time after many incarnations. Use your freedom. Enjoy it. Make the best out of it.

    You are strong and brave. Which, on itself, is not a bad thing at all. Maybe you should do something about your ego, though. Which you already are working at. Not to be confused with self-bashing, of course. As self-bashing is the same as bathing in your own glory. It is the polar opposite, therefore, it is the same.

    That is very interesting, but I still don't entirely get what you mean by that.
    Of course, certain acts you can only perform when you are famous already (which is why I believe that every soul will have the experience of being “famous” once, at least, during the learning process). And some deeds will inevitably make you famous, more or less.
    I just wonder... if you remembered having been the leader of a tribe in the Stone Age who successfully fought against a rivaling tribe, wouldn't the lesson be the same? Wouldn't the only difference be that, due to the lack of writing, your name was forgotten after so and so many generations?
     
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    That would depend on which lesson you are learning. Many of the lessons would be similar between any persons in the limelight at any point in time. Humans around and within a position of celebrity often act in similar ways or experience similar events (albeit with different cultural flares). There are all sorts of lessons about power, responsibility, and humility to be learned in that lifetime which would naturally carry over on a soul's journey whether they are remembered beyond that lifetime or not.

    But there is also the lessons to be learned in one's current existence after finding a famous past life, which would be much easier to comprehend with a lifetime that still holds some infamy. One could learn how no individual, no matter how beloved, is no more important or exciting than others (maybe we can get away from celebrity gossip magazines and equivalents some day?). Or one could learn that just because they are not currently famous, it does not mean that they are incapable of making a big impact. Perhaps a person comes out of such experiences judging less the actions of persons in the public eye, as they now understand the stress of it from the inside. Or that person may just spend hours contemplating the way in which humans glorify some of their neighbors who truly do not deserve to be put on a pedestal, or should not be for moral reasons.
     
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    Or that "small" things matter, too. That a small act of compassion or love does count indeed.

    And that it doesn't matter how others see you (or if they notice you at all) as long as you can be happy with your decisions yourself. Or try, at least to become a "better" person according to your own morals.
    Oh, this stupid "V.I.P." gossip... one of the things that never change. If I was famous in this life, I would be tempted to spread silly rumors about myself just to see what stupid stories the reporters come up with...

    Yes. Like with remembering having done something "evil"... when you also remember what lead to that and why you did it, you will be less likely to judge others.

    You do not need to remember a famous past life to question certain human behavior. And to try and choose a different way of handling things.
     
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    Exactly right.
     
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    Thanks SeekerOfKnowledge, I understand that fame comes with issues no matter the reason for it but my brand of pl fame came with a specific set of issues and challenges to my soul. All those issues were illustrated to me starkly with pl knowledge and memories. I saw my ego writ large across history, I saw my faults, my quirks, my desires etc. Really I feel like I've made mistakes that I can't fix. I've inspired many people with my conflict ridden lives and because in my current life I'm a new incarnation I can't stand up and say that I was wrong and lead people to a correct way of dealing with things.

    I may have broken the pattern before I even remembered reincarnation but I can't change the patterns of others who have been inspired by my behaviour.

    I did lead in my current life and I was perceived in hushed, reverent tones but I stopped myself before I went too far. I've posted before, things like going to work is like strolling through a grassy meadow on a summers day for me. I love the anonymity. It feels like I've been on a many lifetime journey to get to the heart of my struggles and that struggle is internal now, not external, because its not clouded by approval and hero worship. Nobodies spoke in hushed tones to me in years.

    I don't find anonymity overwhelming. I find who I've been to be overwhelming. I didnt think that my current life actions were any great shakes, just other people did.

    The reasons for fame being relevant spiritually is a many pronged idea. Things like my need to fight to the bitter end, my need to feel like I'm speaking for everyone, my need to better humanity, my dreams of a better world, my tactics, my leadership and on and on. These are some of the reasons why I became famous and they are also the issues I'm working on. Aspects of my ego thrown into sharp relief. Had I been famous in my current life I wouldn't have seen my issues and how they manifested fame in my lives.

    I'm saying the reasons for fame are important spiritually because those reasons are personal to a souls journey. The actual outsiders perception of fame is irrelevant though. In spirit souls don't worship other souls. They don't care for fame at all but the reasons behind fame are still important on an individual soul level in my experience.
     
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    Now I see what you mean, Jim. People are worshipping you for something you have realized was wrong to do and even try to be like you. They allow themselves to be misguided by your example. Now you feel responsible for that there is so much war and violence in this world. Similar to what Mere Dreamer wrote to me when I was down: You are responsible only for your own actions, not for how others react to them. This is their decision. You can't be blamed for others being blind and following a misinterpreted, wrong example.

    There still is something you can do. You can tell the people close to you what you really think about war and violence, and how, in your opinion war and violence are always wrong, no matter the intent. That, to your opinion, even fighting for freedom and peace is wrong and that one should always try to find a peaceful solution.
    You probably still can be very convincing. You can inspire others to avoid violence, and be it in everyday life situations. Small things matter, too. You do not need to save the whole world on your own or sacrifice your life. By giving an example of living more compassion, love and peace and by inspiring others to be just a little more compassionate, loving and peaceful, and be it a single person, you have made the world a better place already. Be friendly to your neighbor and when they shout at you, try to shrug it off instead of shouting back. Or just stay away from them.
    That is what I believe, at least. And what I am telling myself over and over again. Some things I do not only post to make others feel better, but also to convince and remember myself.

    I know, I know... the original topic was why so many people remember famous past lives... at least it still is related to FPLs.
     
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    Thanks SeekerOfKnowledge. So many people are wrong about what's right in my experience. I often wonder why my eyes were opened to the evil men on the side of 'good' do. If everyone had been through what I've been through maybe they wouldn't be so quick to fight. Why was I burdened with such an awakening? At the same time I find out I've been considered a hero I discover the error in heroism. It feels unfair. I was only fighting to protect someone I loved.

    I've mentioned the concept of combating evil creates evil to some people but they don't understand it. I didn't understand it either until I lived it. I do try to be a good friend, family member and neighbour but I feel like I'm faking it and hiding the aggressiveness that's second nature to me. I feel like a failure. Millions of years of evolution and man still fights.I still want to fight at times even after all I've learned. I see very little hope for myself. I seemingly can't change.
     
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    I'd bet you are not alone with this. (You don't even have to be famous for this.) Also common: going at any lengths to make your father proud.

    I can relate to that feeling.

    Yeah, it sometimes looks like this planet is some kind of soul kindergarten... as humankind seems not to learn much.
    I just realized that I turned my violence and aggressiveness inwards, towards myself which insn't any better. Breathing techniques only work so and so far... maybe this is a lesson we are sharing. Handle violence and aggressiveness. Many people would say I am the most peaceful person on this planet, a harmony addict even. I know better. The violence is still there, deep inside. Another of my issues would be pride. I have a tendency to be at the other end in this life, but it's the same. Wish I could tell you what to do about it, but I am still seeking for a way to learn this lesson myself (without overdoing it again).
     
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    I will say only this, because I do not feel comfortable saying who I was, mainly for this reason.

    First of all, yes, it was a famous person. I had no idea who she was, though, in the beginning.

    Second of all, it also irks me sometimes when I see so many people claiming to be the reincarnation of famous people, but I just shrug it off because it doesn't concern me. However, I truly feel upset and angry and all sorts of negative emotions when I come across some fangirl claiming to be her. I feel possesive. Like, this is MY identity, this is ME, not you! Stop pretending and using me like that! It bothers me a lot that I react that way, but it is something I cannot control.

    Finally. I don't care that she/I was famous. It makes no difference to me except that it is easier to read about her and compare things against my conscious and intuition. That is, litetally, the only perk I feel it gives me.

    I am not looking for status, nor attention, nor a fantasy world. I did not get sucked into an obsession about her and start fantasizing I was her. It was, quite litetally, the first time I ever heard of her when it happened. There was no fangirl like idolization or anything. It was honestly not a pleasant experience. It was rather frightning.

    In conclusion, I don't think everyone who claims to be the reincarnation of a famous person truly is. I think it is mostly fantasy. However, famous people had souls, too. Of course they would be reborn. There will be those of us who are telling the truth, at least as best as we can truly explain.
     
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    If you do not feel comfortable sharing something, people should respect this.

    When people claim having been someone famous, it only irks me when there is more than one person "claiming" the same past life and both come across as genuine. Because then, I do not know whom to believe, unless I take multiple reincarnations or parallel universes into consideration with which I still have problems.
    It would bother me a lot more if someone "claimed" the life of somebody I have met in person and would spread information I feel in my heart is wrong.
    There definitely are fangirls and fanboys of historical figures, but who am I to judge who is just obsessed with a historical figure and who really was that person?
    I yet have to meet serious claimants for the people I have met and the one or two persons I once thought were me (I cannot be entirely sure, and this is not denial, just being more careful than I was in the past).

    This is the only advantage, probably, that it is far easier to research details. Because no one would have bothered to document the life of a farmer or cobbler. Here you can only collect general information about the time and place.
    It also should be said that "famous" also could mean infamous. People who are known for either cruelty or crimes or other not so nice things, like for big mistakes and wrong decisions they made. Some people even are most known for things they never did or said. And so on.

    I can relate to the frightening feeling. And no one in their right mind would "claim" a famous past life for status or attention. Hey, a few years ago people even said it was imagination for just mentioning in another forum that I once was upper-class. "What makes you so sure?" When even having been upper-class is questionable for some... "claiming" a famous past life just for attention or status would be a very bad idea indeed.

    In some cases it probably is fantasy. Like, when the "memories" exactly match the plot of a movie or novel, or when the person only "remembers" what is in the history books, without much detail or deep emotion.
    In other cases, who knows... with very few exceptions (souls who had learned their lessons already when they were famous, but these are extremely rare), famous people from the past will reincarnate. There will be someone who has been them, either now or in another time.
     
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    In my case, there was a huge influx of people claiming to be her after a few books, movies and a few series came out. This was years after my first 'epiphany' I guess you could call it. When I first experienced everything, there wasn't really anything in the media about her then. Of course there books, but I only found them later. So it really annoyed me. It was very obvious they were stemming from the trend, which is why I refer to them as fangirls. (I watched one series. It was hilarious. I felt nothing. Was in no way accurate, but at least the lead actor was hot. Lol)

    I try not to be judgemental because there is no way I, myself can prove my claim either. I cannot prove it with my personal emotions alone, so in reality, it does make me the same as them. I just can't help my reactions to them, though. It honestly feels like someone is stealing my identity. That is the only way I can describe it. I try to ignore it, though, because, really, what else can I do?

    Again, though, that is a big reason why I do not feel comfortable saying who I was. I don't want to be judged the same way, I guess. Besides, my issues with the situation don't really hinge on *who* I was. What bothers me most of all is the big brick wall kepping me from remembering things. I know they are there somewhere, I just can't get to them and it frustrates me deeply. Those feelings and frustrations would still be present no matter if I were an aristocrat or a peasant working the fields.
     
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    Having my own "brick walls", I can relate to your frustration.
    And true and very well said. This particular problem would be the same, no matter whether you were a queen, an actress, a farmer, a beggar, a nun or what ever.
     
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